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thanksgiving holiday politics: follow-up

Michchamp

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so... things went okay.

the only time anyone brought up politics was when my dad started talking about an "interesting" account of thanksgiving history he read recently...

I had to think of some parentheticals to fill in the gaping holes in the narrative, as you can see below.

in this account, the pilgrims at first were suffering and starving because they tried to share all their resources as a community (of course, we know sharing = BAD). The hard workers contributed all the food to the community pot, while the lazy ones (who were obviously the ancestors to future liberals and drug addicts) took all the food for themselves while contributing nothing.

this infuriated the hard workers so much, that they stopped providing, and everyone started to starve. (this all ignores the actual history of the pilgrims landing after the growing season ended, and dying off due to illness brought by the harsh winter, not any lack of food)

in response, Gov. Bradford allotted everyone their own garden and parcel of land, and they were able to grow whatever they wished, free from any government meddling (except for the granting of land rights, maintaining the courts to adjudicate disputes, providing for common defense against attacks from outside the village, providing a police force to secure the crops and property against theft, and providing for a secure market with which to store, trade, and exchange goods) or meddlesome christian morals like having to "share" with those less fortunate... and of course, the crops grew in a total bonanza, and everyone was able to sell their bounty (in a completely efficient market that was not recorded in the history books, I guess) and therefore they had enough to get together to celebrate the first thanksgiving (which they must've charged admission to because allowing all to share equally would be bad and wrong, and lead to a breakdown of society).

this narrative also completely ignores the relations with the local native americans that helped plymouth colony survive which any school-aged child could recite...

no one really said anything in response, but I guess my dad sensed that no one was buying it, and about to start disputing the account, because he quickly switched the topic to where he bought the turkey this year, and told us an account of the year he bought a turkey too big to cook in his oven.
 
Did the Lions win the Thanksgiving Day game of 1621?
 
I'm guessing he read his account on some right wing org's website. Maybe the Heritage Foundation, or John Birch Society or something like that.

there appears to be a bit of "historical revisionism" going around right now, as the right-wing pundits and blowhards struggle to finish digesting the election results a month later.

I just read a report on how they're now claiming the Irish Potato Famine was due to "dependence on government" which, well... no.

you can usually tell these sort of yellow histories from real history because - even if the angle they're taking isn't obvious - they have a certain catchphrase they like to hammer at. the Irish Potato Famine one used the phrase "dependence on government" about 60 times/paragraph.
 
Did the Lions win the Thanksgiving Day game of 1621?

it depends.

did they try to play "as a team" like a bunch of weak liberal welfare recipients?

or did they each take the field as individuals, without regard for their own teammates, and try to advance their own self interests, like powerful men, unconstrained by rules and altruism?

because based on their approach, the outcome should be obvious.
 
I'm guessing he read his account on some right wing org's website. Maybe the Heritage Foundation, or John Birch Society or something like that.

there appears to be a bit of "historical revisionism" going around right now, as the right-wing pundits and blowhards struggle to finish digesting the election results a month later.

I just read a report on how they're now claiming the Irish Potato Famine was due to "dependence on government" which, well... no.

you can usually tell these sort of yellow histories from real history because - even if the angle they're taking isn't obvious - they have a certain catchphrase they like to hammer at. the Irish Potato Famine one used the phrase "dependence on government" about 60 times/paragraph.

Revisionists are on both sides of the spectrum. Some history books are calling the Boston Tea Party a terrorist attack.
 
I suspect we will be hearing about how the "Liberals" continue to de-Jesusify Christmas by insisting that people greet one another with the more generic "Happy Holidays" rather than a good old "Merry Christmas!"

They'll run this story on Bill O and the rest of the shows followed immediately by a commercial break featuring four large corporate retailers advertising their Black Wednesday Doorbuster Deals good TODAY ONLY!!!!




...Happy Holidays!
 
I'm going to say "Merry Christmas" to people and not concern myself with the reaction.
 
Don't say "Merry Christmas" to Mrs. Tinsel or Michlady.

Tinsel will pop you one.
 
Don't say "Merry Christmas" to Mrs. Tinsel or Michlady.

Tinsel will pop you one.

That's not true; we do both Hannukah and Christmas.

Although our Christmas is more along the lines of the old Yule solstice festivals.

Which, except for the going to church part, is the case for most people.
 
I think most people are done worrying about being sensitive over "Merry Christmas".

Also, I thought the grasshoppers came back and took the ants' food until the ants realized they outnumbered the grasshoppers. At least that's how Disney tells it.
 
I think most people are done worrying about being sensitive over "Merry Christmas".

Also, I thought the grasshoppers came back and took the ants' food until the ants realized they outnumbered the grasshoppers. At least that's how Disney tells it.

In the ultra liberal left wing commie pinko version the LAUSD provided in my one year as a public school teacher, the ant realized he had enough for both himself and the grasshopper, and he thought about how lonely he would feel if his friend the grasshoper starved to death, so he shared.

The grasshopper promised that in harvests going forward, he would do his part.

And the ant decided that he himself should occasionally take a moment to "stop and smell the roses," even during the harvest.
 
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I think most people are done worrying about being sensitive over "Merry Christmas".

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you may be right. O'Reilly was the one who coined the phrase; all the hits from a google search of "Bill O'Reilly" & "War on Christmas" are from 2011. Not sure if he's going to dust this off for another go-round in 2012.

I think he and his ilk at Fox are starting to realize they need to come up with some new material.

gun & ammo sales spiked as expected after the election. you can count on the real 2nd amendment nutjobs to perform. the rest of the "herd"? Not sure what's going to get them this time.

the taxes issue is more or less spent.

the whole "fiscal cliff" thing is best left vague. too much coverage, and people may start to realize what's actually involved (trading spending cuts to social programs in lieu of spending cuts to defense and homeland security, which have actual lobbyists to oppose them)

I think they'll tread water with the Libya/Benghazi thing for the time being, and hope to be rescued by some other inevitable scandal they can trumpet when some factotum at some government agency screws up.
 
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I think the whole contrived notion is stupid on face and agree that people are over it by now.

As byco says, you greet someone by saying "Merry Christmas" because that's what you say ...because you celebrate Christmas and it's a nice, polite greeting.

Saying "Happy Holidays" is no different and when Jewish friends and colleagues say "Happy Hannukah," I don't take it as offensive or as a threat to my Christian upbringing or my Priestly Mother.

Of course if you utter a "Happy Hannukah" to Bubba walking down a street in Montgomery, Alabama you're likely to get a funny look because Bubba is likely unaware of any form of religion besides Baptist Christian.
 
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I'm only going to say happy holidays to people.

and "holidays" encompasses the end-of-year traditions of all religions, including those previously pagan traditions of Europe which were incorporated into the christmas "traditions" in order to steal the show from the winter pagan holidays that the christian church and ruling classes it supported were trying to kill. I believe Tinsel still celebrates those pagan traditions, along with his druid brethren. most of the pagan traditions were based on the idiotic (though not any more idiotic than all other religious beliefs) that the sun was dying, hence the cold temperatures, and they needed to celebrate something to bring it back.

me? here's what I am going to finally get a chance to celebrate this year.
 
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Well, everyone who puts up a tree, and holly, and mistletoe, and has Yule log, and eats mince pie and the other various types of foods associated with the Yule is celebrating these Yule (Solstice Festival, therefore, "pagan") traditions; not just me.
 
Well, everyone who puts up a tree, and holly, and mistletoe, and has Yule log, and eats mince pie and the other various types of foods associated with the Yule is celebrating these Yule (Solstice Festival, therefore, "pagan") traditions; not just me.

Even religious leaders of the past knew enough to let people do what they're used to for holidays. People don't care as much about what other people are doing, but they hate being told to change their own ways.
 
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