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The ?4 Point-line?

This is actually a really smart idea for training purposes. It would be even cooler to see some standardized markings on actual game floors. Sometimes you don't realize quite how impressive a shot is, or how much grinds someone covered unless you have more reference points.
 
I'm not a big fan of the 3 point shot. Imo it's not fun basketball. They'll doing way too much of it. Move the line back ..
 
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I'm not a big fan of the 3 point shot. Imo it's not fun basketball. They'll doing way too much of it. Move the line back ..

I disagree with the aesthetics, but I also understand that I come from a different generation. I wouldn't mind moving the line back (though historically it always returns to the same results). I don't think pushing the play all inside (and mid-range) improves the game. If anything, it would lead to more fouls and fewer points.
 
I disagree with the aesthetics, but I also understand that I come from a different generation. I wouldn't mind moving the line back (though historically it always returns to the same results). I don't think pushing the play all inside (and mid-range) improves the game. If anything, it would lead to more fouls and fewer points.

Personally, and I'll be in the minority here, I wish they just removed the 3 point shot altogether. And lesser points is not a big deal to me. Nothing wrong with good D. 140-130 games doesn't mean it's a good game. I remember my favorite games were 97-95. 103-98. The 3 point shooting and the no defense makes me watch the game less and less.
 
I love the three point shot. People hate the Warriors but they spread the court and pass the ball then get back and play defense. I hate that they took hand checking away. I am tired of phantom fouls and that certain players get calls over others. It seems worse then even MJ’s day.
 
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I guess I like the inside game more.. Little guys scoring underneath on the big guys and hook shots and the tough D of the 80's. Bill Laimbeer style. There's defense now and then but overall it's weak. Imo Blake would be more dominate from 12 feet in.
 
I guess I like the inside game more.. Little guys scoring underneath on the big guys and hook shots and the tough D of the 80's. Bill Laimbeer style. There's defense now and then but overall it's weak. Imo Blake would be more dominate from 12 feet in.

I think if you took away the three point shot now it would just destroy the game. Athletes are so much more athletic, so much smarter (on the court), and too well coached. If a defender didn't have the threat of a 50% better shot behind that line, they would crowd the paint more (making inside play impossible). Superstars like Stephen Curry would be completely neutralized because who cares about some guy shooting 40% on a two-point shot. If it didn't completely neutralize all offense (no spacing, no runouts from long rebounds), it would almost inevitably become an unwatchable foul-fest. Guys would just be driving into crowd after crowd of defenders, and the refs would be on the hook for figuring out who broke the rules.

I think it's also important to remember that low scoring games don't mean good defense. Most often, low scores are about pace. And as fun as it was for my personal favorite team to grind others into dust, I won't pretend that anybody outside of Michigan thought the Pistons were legitimately fun to watch.
 
I think if you took away the three point shot now it would just destroy the game. Athletes are so much more athletic, so much smarter (on the court), and too well coached. If a defender didn't have the threat of a 50% better shot behind that line, they would crowd the paint more (making inside play impossible). Superstars like Stephen Curry would be completely neutralized because who cares about some guy shooting 40% on a two-point shot. If it didn't completely neutralize all offense (no spacing, no runouts from long rebounds), it would almost inevitably become an unwatchable foul-fest. Guys would just be driving into crowd after crowd of defenders, and the refs would be on the hook for figuring out who broke the rules.

I think it's also important to remember that low scoring games don't mean good defense. Most often, low scores are about pace. And as fun as it was for my personal favorite team to grind others into dust, I won't pretend that anybody outside of Michigan thought the Pistons were legitimately fun to watch.

3 point shooting is about the least athletic you can get.
 
I think if you took away the three point shot now it would just destroy the game. Athletes are so much more athletic, so much smarter (on the court), and too well coached. If a defender didn't have the threat of a 50% better shot behind that line, they would crowd the paint more (making inside play impossible). Superstars like Stephen Curry would be completely neutralized because who cares about some guy shooting 40% on a two-point shot. If it didn't completely neutralize all offense (no spacing, no runouts from long rebounds), it would almost inevitably become an unwatchable foul-fest. Guys would just be driving into crowd after crowd of defenders, and the refs would be on the hook for figuring out who broke the rules.

I think it's also important to remember that low scoring games don't mean good defense. Most often, low scores are about pace. And as fun as it was for my personal favorite team to grind others into dust, I won't pretend that anybody outside of Michigan thought the Pistons were legitimately fun to watch.

On but they were ! They crushed teams !!
 
Fan or not Pistons vs Chicago, Boston, LA were very good games to watch. Especially because back then you had rivals.
 
While I often miss the days of lost post banging and brutal defense, I can't knock this generation for realizing how much more efficient the 3 point shot is and taking advantage of it. Just like the NFL has become a 'Pass to set up the run' league, the NBA has also evolved. It happens, the 'meta' changes.
 
While I often miss the days of lost post banging and brutal defense, I can't knock this generation for realizing how much more efficient the 3 point shot is and taking advantage of it. Just like the NFL has become a 'Pass to set up the run' league, the NBA has also evolved. It happens, the 'meta' changes.

It just seems like teams just chuck up a 3 every other trip down the floor. It isn't very entertaining watching what seems like miss after miss.

The Pistons score 0.97 points on their 3 point attempts and 1.0 every time they shoot a 2, so the 2 point shot is slightly more efficient.

Houston, who takes the most 3 point shots in the league, scores 1.02 points per 3 point attempt and 1.1 points per 2.

Of course, these stats are based on attempted shots compared to made shots. This does not take into consideration that you are much more likely to get to get fouled down low/driving to the basket (unless you are James Harden)
 
It just seems like teams just chuck up a 3 every other trip down the floor. It isn't very entertaining watching what seems like miss after miss.

I don't disagree with that. It can get stale.

The Pistons score 0.97 points on their 3 point attempts and 1.0 every time they shoot a 2, so the 2 point shot is slightly more efficient.

Houston, who takes the most 3 point shots in the league, scores 1.02 points per 3 point attempt and 1.1 points per 2.

Of course, these stats are based on attempted shots compared to made shots. This does not take into consideration that you are much more likely to get to get fouled down low/driving to the basket (unless you are James Harden)

When I talk about efficiency, I'm talking about shooting the ball. Sure, a dunk or lay up is probably the most efficient shot in basketball. But how many players can consistently set up that kind of shot on their own? I'm referencing more the short to mid range jumpers. The constant threat of a 3 point shot also spreads the defense, allowing those dunks and layups to be more available.

You probably know that the 2017-2018 Rockets (easily) set the record for most 3PA in a season ever. Did you also know that they had the second highest 2PT% for an 82 game season?

The highest team 2PT% of all time? The 2017-2018 Golden State Warriors, who also had the 13th highest number of 3PA ever that season.
 
3 point shooting is about the least athletic you can get.

Sure, on offense. But they force defenses to cover a lot more ground. That's where the league would fall apart. These days players are so athletic and smart (on court), that getting rid of the 3 point line would strangle the game. Every team's offense would grind to a halt, and it wouldn't be because teams were suddenly playing better defense, but simply because defense would be infinitely easier to play.

On but they were ! They crushed teams !!

They were fun to watch as Piston fans, I agree. But if every team in the league played the way the Pistons did, viewership would drop. Old timers (no offense), might be happy, but newer fans would tune it out. The NBA is in the business of entertainment.
 
They were fun to watch as Piston fans, I agree. But if every team in the league played the way the Pistons did, viewership would drop. Old timers (no offense), might be happy, but newer fans would tune it out. The NBA is in the business of entertainment.

They were fun to watch not just Pistons fan.. Road attendance for the Pistons were huge back then.
 
They were fun to watch not just Pistons fan.. Road attendance for the Pistons were huge back then.

Because they were one of the best teams in the league. Check out the numbers on the grit'n'grind Grizzlies. Since 2010, they made the playoffs in 7 straight seasons, winning more than 50 games 3 times (and the lockout year when they were well over 50 win pace). Despite this, they have been above average in HOME or AWAY attendance % only twice, and never even in the top 10.

People like to watch great teams. But blowing up offense doesn't suddenly make everyone the Chauncey-era Pistons.

EDIT: I just checked the old road attendance. And you're right that the Pistons became a top 10 road team during their heydey. Of course, that wasn't until AFTER they won a championship. Apparently the playstyle wasn't winning them any viewer points until they proved they were one of the best in the league. That road attendance also fell precipitously once they stopped being good.
 
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Because they were one of the best teams in the league. Check out the numbers on the grit'n'grind Grizzlies. Since 2010, they made the playoffs in 7 straight seasons, winning more than 50 games 3 times (and the lockout year when they were well over 50 win pace). Despite this, they have been above average in HOME or AWAY attendance % only twice, and never even in the top 10.

People like to watch great teams. But blowing up offense doesn't suddenly make everyone the Chauncey-era Pistons.

EDIT: I just checked the old road attendance. And you're right that the Pistons became a top 10 road team during their heydey. Of course, that wasn't until AFTER they won a championship. Apparently the playstyle wasn't winning them any viewer points until they proved they were one of the best in the league. That road attendance also fell precipitously once they stopped being good.

Of course you have to be good. My point was other fans of other teams wanted to see him and see them get the crap beat out of them .
 
Sure, on offense. But they force defenses to cover a lot more ground. That's where the league would fall apart. These days players are so athletic and smart (on court), that getting rid of the 3 point line would strangle the game. Every team's offense would grind to a halt, and it wouldn't be because teams were suddenly playing better defense, but simply because defense would be infinitely easier to play.

If shooting long 3 pointers is so good for offenses, teams could still just shoot from out there to spread the floor.
 
If shooting long 3 pointers is so good for offenses, teams could still just shoot from out there to spread the floor.

You're being silly now. Being worth 50% more than a 2 pointer is a large part of the value (and threat), obviously.
 
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