The racist South

[Spartanmack]

So, in less than 3 hours, a jury of his peers sentenced racist white supremacist Dylan Roof to death for the despicable murders of 9 black people in their church in Charleston, S.C.

Seems odd and doesn't fit the narrative that's been pushed by certain posters here on DSF for the past few years - that the South is nearly irredeemably racist, filled with conservatives who hate anyone who isn't white (which of course ignores facts like the KKK was founded by Democrats and the South didn't actually become conservative until it became much less racist - recall, Republicans don't have the same legacy of racism that Democrats do). The evidence of the case itself shows that lone wolf Roof tried to recruit other like-minded racist scumbags to join him in his crusade but according to Roof, he was unable to get any real support.

So a jury of his peers deliberated less than 3 hours and sentenced him, a racist, flag burning, pro slavery, anti-civil rights murderer, to death. Maybe the South, just like the rest of American isn't as racist as some would have you believe.

 

[sggatecl]

While I don't subscribe to the theory that the entire south is racist, I don't think this is the greatest example of "see, I told you so."

I guarantee you if he lets his lawyers represent him in the punishment portion of the trial, he doesn't get the death sentence. Instead, he chose to represent himself and tell the jury "you don't know what hate is" among other things that showed he had zero remorse.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I guarantee you if he lets his lawyers represent him in the punishment portion of the trial, he doesn't get the death sentence. Instead, he chose to represent himself...

Yes, they could still all be racists and just chose to kill him on general principle anyway simply for being so rock stupid.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Yes, they could still all be racists and just chose to kill him on general principle anyway simply for being so rock stupid.

Or they could be gung-ho about the death penalty.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Or they could be gung-ho about the death penalty.

That too.

If I were a Southern white racist capital punishment loving gun nut and I had been on the jury, I would have voted to kill this stupid crazy fuck, if only because the law had actually empowered me to kill someone.

I probably would have rather gotten the opportunity to vote to kill a black person, but the Universe gives you what you get, right?

 

[TheVictors]

Or if they didn't vote for the DP, the rain of shit that would have come down on the proceedings would have made previous accusations of the South being racist seem mild by comparison.

And perhaps this judgment will prevent another RACIST from murdering 9 elderly Christians in cold blood based on skin color.

Or maybe it won't because the South is racist..?

 

[jared]

The bar for the South must be awfully low when the basis for the "South isn't racist" argument starts with a hate crime.

 

[Michchamp]

spartanmack is drunk on the strawman argument punch this week, I see.

Hey, as long as we're talking about racially charged criminal trials in SC, how about that Michael Schlager case? Remember that one? Cop on video shooting the unarmed Walter Scott in the back and killing him?

case ended in a mistrial... even though the whole thing is on video, Schlager lied about it in his initial report, & planted his taser on Scott's body after shooting him 5 times. African Americans are 28% of the local population, but the jury ended up being 11 white / 1 black, & the prosecution sand bagged their own case by stating Scott was responsible for his own death by getting out of the car.

I must be trying to say everyone in the South is racist though, so don't listen to me...

 

[tomdalton22]

spartanmack is drunk on the strawman argument punch this week, I see.

Hey, as long as we're talking about racially charged criminal trials in SC, how about that Michael Schlager case? Remember that one? Cop on video shooting the unarmed Walter Scott in the back and killing him?

case ended in a mistrial... even though the whole thing is on video, Schlager lied about it in his initial report, & planted his taser on Scott's body after shooting him 5 times. African Americans are 28% of the local population, but the jury ended up being 11 white / 1 black, & the prosecution sand bagged their own case by stating Scott was responsible for his own death by getting out of the car.

I must be trying to say everyone in the South is racist though, so don't listen to me...

It sounds like there was one person on the jury that was holding out. It will go to trial again...don't worry.

 

[Spartanmack]

spartanmack is drunk on the strawman argument punch this week, I see.

Hey, as long as we're talking about racially charged criminal trials in SC, how about that Michael Schlager case? Remember that one? Cop on video shooting the unarmed Walter Scott in the back and killing him?

case ended in a mistrial... even though the whole thing is on video, Schlager lied about it in his initial report, & planted his taser on Scott's body after shooting him 5 times. African Americans are 28% of the local population, but the jury ended up being 11 white / 1 black, & the prosecution sand bagged their own case by stating Scott was responsible for his own death by getting out of the car.

I must be trying to say everyone in the South is racist though, so don't listen to me...

You forgot to mention that immediately after the hung jury mistrial the prosecutor announced they would retry the case.

And talk about strawmen. Did I ever say anyone said everyone in the south was racist? I'm making the point that it's clearly not as racist as you believe since the racist lone wolf not only couldn't find any other like minded people to join him and the fact that he was convicted and given and sentenced to death by a jury of his peers with less in less than three hours of deliberation.

 

[Spartanmack]

Or if they didn't vote for the DP, the rain of shit that would have come down on the proceedings would have made previous accusations of the South being racist seem mild by comparison.

So they convicted him and sentenced him to death to distract the rest of the world from their inherent racism because a life without parole sentence would have signaled racism. Roof was the sacrificial lamb.

And perhaps this judgment will prevent another RACIST from murdering 9 elderly Christians in cold blood based on skin color.

that's kinda the point.

 

[Michchamp]

You forgot to mention that immediately after the hung jury mistrial the prosecutor announced they would retry the case.

And talk about strawmen. Did I ever say anyone said everyone in the south was racist? I'm making the point that it's clearly not as racist as you believe since the racist lone wolf not only couldn't find any other like minded people to join him and the fact that he was convicted and given and sentenced to death by a jury of his peers with less in less than three hours of deliberation.

No, I didn't forget to mention they'd retry him. I intentionally didn't mention it cause its a minor point considering the prosecutors sandbagged their case and didn't oppose the defense's eliminating almost every single minority juror from the pool pre-trial. But correct, they are re-trying him. I'm sure they'll try harder this time.

and you didn't say I said everyone in the south was racist? oh "nearly irredeemably racist." sorry. how could I miss that? Well my apologies for not being 100% accurate. I will post more carefully next time.

 

[Thumb]

This is the kind of thread I would have expected jdilco to make.

 

[Michchamp]

The bar for the South must be awfully low when the basis for the "South isn't racist" argument starts with a hate crime.

yeah, and not just any hate crime... a bloody, premeditated massacre of 9 people

and the bar is low... we're talking about an entire region of the country who committed treasonous secession and launched a bloody civil war - the bloodiest war in American history - solely* to defend the practice of slavery within their borders.

yikes! the bar cannot GET much lower than that.

*ignore the nonsense of the civil war being about more than slavery or Northern aggression; that was all put forward in the 20th century by southern historians looking to clean up and rehab the image of the south. if you actually read the articles of secession of any Confederate state they make it clear: they seceded over slavery. period.

 

[Michchamp]

This is the kind of thread I would have expected jdilco to make.

Never underestimate spartanmack. He can go full Breitbart with the best of them (or maybe "worst of them" would be the better phrase there).

 

[Spartanmack]

The bar for the South must be awfully low when the basis for the "South isn't racist" argument starts with a hate crime.

I think you're missing the point - by a lot.

 

[Spartanmack]

This is the kind of thread I would have expected jdilco to make.

This is the kind of post I expect from you.

Never underestimate spartanmack. He can go full Breitbart with the best of them (or maybe "worst of them" would be the better phrase there).

It would be impossible for me to underestimate you, the guy who makes nothing but strawman arguments in the ft. lauderdale thread, gets called out for it there then comes here and accuses others of making strawman arguments here with a strawman argument.

 

[Spartanmack]

yeah, and not just any hate crime... a bloody, premeditated massacre of 9 people

and the bar is low... we're talking about an entire region of the country who committed treasonous secession and launched a bloody civil war - the bloodiest war in American history - solely* to defend the practice of slavery within their borders.

yikes! the bar cannot GET much lower than that.

*ignore the nonsense of the civil war being about more than slavery or Northern aggression; that was all put forward in the 20th century by southern historians looking to clean up and rehab the image of the south. if you actually read the articles of secession of any Confederate state they make it clear: they seceded over slavery. period.

Another strawman. We're not talking about the crime, are we? No one here has said anything about the crime other than how heinous it was. The point again, was that this racist tried and failed miserably to get other people in a part of the country you think is rife with racism to join his racist movement - he said it himself. Then he was tried, convicted and sentenced to death by a jury of his southern peers. But you can't afford to let go of your unfounded narrative about racism in America, so you move the goal post - the south is still racist because this was a hate crime. Then you throw in a little non sequitur footnote to really drive the point home - classic.