The Right's "Useful Idiots" in action

[tigermud]

Do you have any hobbies? Not watching Alex Jones videos, but actual, healthy hobbies... building model airplanes, woodworking, gardening, etc. Maybe take one up?

Yes, I run and work out, a lot. Over 1,000 miles last two years each year, Only thing that keeps me alive, I haven?t listened to jones much last few months he?s too loud, makes it hard to sleep

 

[Spartanmack]

Maybe just remember this, the next time billionaire funded Super PACs spread rumors among mutants to get them to come out in force to intimidate lawmakers passing bills they don't like.





Did I say they would carry out violent attacks? Was that even the point of this thread? Chill out. I'm not hysterical. They're dumb. You're dumb. I don't "constantly post" threads like this.


Talk about hysterical...


Chill out. Grab yourself a Bud Light. Open the swimsuit issue. Relax.

I?m not 17 so I don?t drink bud light (never did) or read the swimsuit issue. Quit trying to deflect and project, you?re the one posting hysterical articles from ?Info Wars? of the left trying to convince everyone there are credible threats of violence from the right to discredit people protesting policies you support. I?m simply making fun of you for being a puppet for some of the dumbest people and ideas in politics.

Do you think anyone here didn?t laugh when they read your claim that you don?t constantly post threads like this?

 

[Michchamp]

This is one of the main reasons I can?t support any of the dems we are in complete disagreement on HC, universal HC will be used as one of the tools to enslave humanity

How does that even make sense? So under our current for-profit approach, if you're not independently wealthy enough to pay for expensive medication, or medical procedures (already far more expensive in this country than any other) you're free? "free" to die, or bankrupt your family?

But if health insurance were a pre-tax line item on your weekly pay stub, and covered everything with no deductible or out-of-pocket cost (just like in most other industrialized 1st world countries)... you'd be enslaved?

 

[tomdalton22]

More Canadians leaving country for health care: Report

https://torontosun.com/news/nationa...e-the-country-for-health-care-says-new-report

 

[Michchamp]

More Canadians leaving country for health care: Report

https://torontosun.com/news/nationa...e-the-country-for-health-care-says-new-report

A headline can say anything.

A policy brief ? titled Flight of the Sick, by the Calgary-based think tank secondstreet.org ? says 217,500 Canadians left the country for health care in 2017,​

context? why did they leave? where are they going? is the number even statistically significant? are they going to countries with even more government subsidized healthcare? the article doesn't answer those questions.

And who is "secondstreet.org"? the article basically cut-and-pasted their "report" as "news"... a trained monkey or a robot could do that.

new "think-tank" with close connections to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation received $50,000 last year from the Donner Canadian Foundation, a prominent funder of right-wing ideological organizations in Canada.​

oh. link.

 

[Spartanmack]

How does that even make sense? So under our current for-profit approach, if you're not independently wealthy enough to pay for expensive medication, or medical procedures (already far more expensive in this country than any other) you're free? "free" to die, or bankrupt your family?

But if health insurance were a pre-tax line item on your weekly pay stub, and covered everything with no deductible or out-of-pocket cost (just like in most other industrialized 1st world countries)... you'd be enslaved?

It doesn?t make sense to you because you don?t understand what?s wrong with our system so you don?t understand how to fix it. profit isn?t the problem. Government intervention, corruption and your sleazy profession and its mighty lobby are much bigger problems. And while no one is actually enslaved, your idea will turn providers into indentured servants. Imagine if the government came in and told you how much money you were allowed to make (as a communist, you would love that but imagine what the people in your office who actually have ambition and talent would think after they worked hard and shelled out a bunch of money to pay for their degrees).

 

[Michchamp]

It doesn?t make sense to you because you don?t understand what?s wrong with our system so you don?t understand how to fix it. profit isn?t the problem. Government intervention, corruption and your sleazy profession and its mighty lobby are much bigger problems. And while no one is actually enslaved, your idea will turn providers into indentured servants. Imagine if the government came in and told you how much money you were allowed to make (as a communist, you would love that but imagine what the people in your office who actually have ambition and talent would think after they worked hard and shelled out a bunch of money to pay for their degrees).

look, the board's "Senator Joe McCarthy" has been hittin' the old "Irish Medicine" a little too hard this morning...

 

[Michchamp]

uThis doesn't even have to be ideological... there are plenty of studies and cost breakdowns showing why healthcare costs are so out-of-wack in the US, and it's all "administration" i.e. MBAs inserting themselves into the process. The actual costs of providing care don't correlate with the costs comsumers are paying... most of that goes to insurers now.

They try to blame lawyers, but medical malpractice suits have been a thing for a long time, and don't correlate with the ballooning in costs we've seen over the last few decades.

Health insurers don't provide healthcare, they just add a huge, and ever increasing cost layer to consumers who need healthcare.

Medicare for all just cuts out this "middleman" and his rent-seeking policies. that's it.

"Obamacare" is shit too. I'm not defending it. Public-private partnerships bring out the worst of both worlds. and if you're going to go the strictly private route, you have to actually enforce the anti-trust laws aggressively so you have real competition for customers. But we don't do that. Neither party has because our political system has failed, and both are completely owned by deep pockets

 

[tigermud]

How does that even make sense? So under our current for-profit approach, if you're not independently wealthy enough to pay for expensive medication, or medical procedures (already far more expensive in this country than any other) you're free? "free" to die, or bankrupt your family?

But if health insurance were a pre-tax line item on your weekly pay stub, and covered everything with no deductible or out-of-pocket cost (just like in most other industrialized 1st world countries)... you'd be enslaved?

Yes because ultimately that comes with population control, death panels and forced inoculations (for the greater good of course) or forfeit your person and properly. no thanks i'd rather be free to decline and die than to shut up and do what I'm told. Hurry along now and make sure you get your cancer virus causing flu shot this year. Some places are giving them away for FREE! Free death shots

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-10-20-government-using-flu-shot-to-control-your-immune-system.html

Under a universal HC plan this will become mandated under preventative care in the name of keeping cost down

 

[Spartanmack]

uThis doesn't even have to be ideological... there are plenty of studies and cost breakdowns showing why healthcare costs are so out-of-wack in the US, and it's all "administration" i.e. MBAs inserting themselves into the process. The actual costs of providing care don't correlate with the costs comsumers are paying... most of that goes to insurers now.

They try to blame lawyers, but medical malpractice suits have been a thing for a long time, and don't correlate with the ballooning in costs we've seen over the last few decades.

Health insurers don't provide healthcare, they just add a huge, and ever increasing cost layer to consumers who need healthcare.

Medicare for all just cuts out this "middleman" and his rent-seeking policies. that's it.

"Obamacare" is shit too. I'm not defending it. Public-private partnerships bring out the worst of both worlds. and if you're going to go the strictly private route, you have to actually enforce the anti-trust laws aggressively so you have real competition for customers. But we don't do that. Neither party has because our political system has failed, and both are completely owned by deep pockets

Look, the board?s Corky has been drinking the Bernie Kool Aid again. It?s not the middleman that is driving costs higher, it?s the government and their cronies in their preferred businesses that they write the rules with. Also, the US has by far the best health care in the world and that?s because of the profit motive. It would be leaps and bounds better and cheaper if we didn?t allow the government to control so much of it. it?s laughable that you can be so dumb to think the problems in the most highly regulated industry stem from capitalism and the profit motive.

drugs aren?t more expensive in the US because of the profit motive, they are more expensive here because your team has given away international patent protection for drugs and like with defense, your team has decided it?s OK for the US to subsidize their socialized systems. We subsidize pharmaceutical R&D globally. Without the US, there would be zero innovation and no new drugs.

Also, the reasons for higher life expectancy in other countries has more to do with lifestyle than access to healthcare. We are one of the fattest countries in the world with heart disease a leading cause of death. That?s not the fault of the profit motive in healthcare, it?s because we have so many chubby people - people even chubbier and softer than you. When it comes to actual care, the US is unrivaled - we have the highest five year survival rate for cancer. AIDS is no longer the death sentence it once was. We don?t have long lines and we are not rationing care. We lead the world in medical and pharmaceutical research. With socialized medicine and the removal of the profit motive, all that goes away. But Bernie sanders tells you people are dying in the streets because the government, which has been proven itself to be totally incompetent at running healthcare (just look at the VA) isn?t the sole provider and you buy it without questioning it. You are a useful idiot.

You?re not talking about removing the middleman, you?re talking about removing the one mechanism that can make healthcare better for all and replacing it with an unaccountable, incompetent bureaucracy.

 

[Spartanmack]

look, the board's "Senator Joe McCarthy" has been hittin' the old "Irish Medicine" a little too hard this morning...

what would you call yourself then? you want to control personal income and expenditures, nationalize entire industries, have the government tell you how you're going to get just about everything you want, I mean everything you need because what people want is irrelevant in your collective. Calling you a communist hardly makes me or anyone else a communist hunter, it just means I'm honest.

 

[Michchamp]

what would you call yourself then? ...

a badass pimp.

or

a world champion hero

I call myself either of those things.

 

[Spartanmack]

a badass pimp.

or

a world champion hero

I call myself either of those things.

The grossly exaggerated internet persona is a common delusion for loser keyboard warriors mired in mediocrity (like you):