TX Mad Bomber blows himself up

[Spartanmack]

EDIT after reading spartanhacks post: people that home school their kids, and are not well-educated and affluent are garbage.

the subjects in the Canadian study weren't more affluent than the public school kids they were compared to.

 

[Spartanmack]

from your article:

That?s impressive, but we have to keep in mind: This wasn?t a random cross-section of homeschoolers.

Participants were recruited from a special subset of the homeschooling population--families who subscribed to a fee-based testing service.

Compared to their peers in the public schools, these kids were more likely to have affluent, well-educated parents. Were the parents also more committed to educating their children? Perhaps.​

Oh, wow. So affluent, well-educated people who homeschool their kids, using fee-based testing do better than the average kid.

But most home schoolers aren't those things...

maybe you should read the whole article where it then talks about another study that controlled for those differences. The results were similar - the home schooled kids tested roughly one grade ahead of their same aged public school peers.

 

[Spartanmack]

Based on what? My homeschooler stereotype is a bit well off.

I only know one home schooled kid - they're reasonably affluent. They only home school one kid because she is an elite gymnast and her schedule pretty much requires it. the rest of their kids are in Catholic elementary school (I wonder which of their kids is in a more toxic environment - things could get really bad for them on all fronts). Both parents are Penn grads and were collegiate athletes - I'm pretty sure they take academics at least as serious as the athletics.

Not a great example, but I'm also not trying to draw any conclusions about home schooled kids based on a single data point.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Chief has commented on the reaction

"In no way am I going to be sympathetic toward someone who murdered people in our community," Manley said in the interview. "What my comments were, were a reflection of what his comments were. They are not my belief, they are not my opinion. What I was trying to convey to the community was what I heard in his words. And so I do understand that there were folks that were concerned about that. This man created terror in our community by his actions, undoubtedly. And that is my opinion. And what I was doing in that press conference was trying to describe what he said -- how he described his life. There is no way I would ever try to mitigate his actions and my heart is with the families in this community that lost lives or had lives forever changed as a result of his acts."

 

[Michchamp]

Chief has commented on the reaction

heck of a word salad... still can't bring himself to condemn a murderer.

 

[Gulo Blue]

heck of a word salad... still can't bring himself to condemn a murderer.

He's a representative of the police. Do they usually call people terrorists in the press? Seems like there may be legal reason not to.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Here's the Department of Homeland security calling something a terror attack, but local police wouldn't.


https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/24/us/pennsylvania-police-shootings/index.html

 

[Spartanmack]

He's a representative of the police. Do they usually call people terrorists in the press? Seems like there may be legal reason not to.

they avoid it at all costs - in fact I recall posters here saying San Bernadino and Orlando were probably more likely the result of mental disorders than terrorist acts motivated by religious extremism. That angle is frequently downplayed by the popular press as well. In fact, they often tell us we shouldn't talk about that part because noting there is a subset, distinct from the majority of the faithful who are radical extremist terrorists could offend the non-extremist practitioners or lead to a violent backlash against peaceful practitioners of a particular faith that never actually occurs.

 

[Michchamp]

they avoid it at all costs - in fact I recall posters here saying San Bernadino and Orlando were probably more likely the result of mental disorders than terrorist acts motivated by religious extremism. That angle is frequently downplayed by the popular press as well. In fact, they often tell us we shouldn't talk about that part because noting there is a subset, distinct from the majority of the faithful who are radical extremist terrorists could offend the non-extremist practitioners or lead to a violent backlash against peaceful practitioners of a particular faith that never actually occurs.

They're all the result of a mental disorder, to some extent. Normal people don't go and kill innocent people, regardless of their race, or religion. Millions of Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. coexist peacefully with their neighbors.

It's just that the authorities - especially the police - seem to sympathize
when it's a white guy who snaps, and their language reflects it.

 

[Spartanmack]

They're all the result of a mental disorder, to some extent. Normal people don't go and kill innocent people, regardless of their race, or religion. Millions of Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. coexist peacefully with their neighbors.

It's just that the authorities - especially the police - seem to sympathize
when it's a white guy who snaps, and their language reflects it.

I don't think that's true - for people who grow up in western cultures where they embrace western values, that's more likely to be the case. But it's probably not at all true in many non-western cultures where they don't share similar values, particularly with respect to human life. I don't think you can look at the pew data for many middle eastern and central Asian countries where it shows majorities of the population support honor killings for women who refuse arranged marriages or somehow bring shame to a family or death for things like apostasy or homosexuality and chalk it up to mental disorders.

There are real value differences between cultures and that's why it's ridiculous to boil argument of those with more hawkish positions on immigration down to racism, xenophobia, islamophobia, etc. Nobody is arguing that we should only allow immigration of Christians, Jews or Buddhists or that we should discriminate against a particular religion, but when it comes to immigration, we should absolutely discriminate against people who don't share similar values particularly with respect to human life, liberty and dignity.

 

[Gulo Blue]

They're all the result of a mental disorder, to some extent. Normal people don't go and kill innocent people, regardless of their race, or religion. Millions of Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. coexist peacefully with their neighbors.

It's just that the authorities - especially the police - seem to sympathize
when it's a white guy who snaps, and their language reflects it.

I think fear plays a huge role.