Uconn looks good this week

[hungry]

With the talk from most MSU fans that I know, you'd think they beat ND by 3 td's and shut them out.

 

[byco42]

With the talk from most MSU fans that I know, you'd think they beat ND by 3 td's and shut them out.

MSU was jobbed by the INT calls. Everyone knows that.

 

[hungry]

MSU was jobbed by the INT calls. Everyone knows that.

Oh, no doubt. Still, that doesn't change the dropped passes, the overthrown balls, the procedure penalties, all the other penalties, etc etc etc

Thing is, since MSU didn't lose by more, they talk like it was some victory.

What with the 3 PI calls that they got bobbed on, they still had the ball with 2 minutes to go and a chance to win and Coach D put in Maxwell who didn't come close with his passes.

It wasn't a victory and it wasn't all because of 3 bad calls.

 

[Sbee]

MSU was jobbed by the INT calls. Everyone knows that.

A few shitty calls did hurt, but that had nothing to do with the fact that we only scored 13 points. you can't expect to win if you do that. we killed ourselves with a horrible HB option pass call and not scoring points on that first drive where we started at the ND 30. credit ND, they had a better gameplan and outplayed us.

You don't deserve to win when you score 13 points.

 

[byco42]

When you are playing poorly, the bad calls eliminate the margin for error. Witness 2001. The PI and the 12-men on the field would have rendered moot the quick finder of Spartan Bobby Turn-back-the-hands-of-time.

 

[hungry]

I'm just saying that the MSU fans that I know in the real world almost act like they not only won the game, but they blew them out and shut them out and that they're ready to go on and win the super bowl and that Michigan has no chance.

It's almost like it's their next game or something.

 

[Sbee]

When you are playing poorly, the bad calls eliminate the margin for error. Witness 2001. The PI and the 12-men on the field would have rendered moot the quick finder of Spartan Bobby Turn-back-the-hands-of-time.

or the facemask on Charles rogers on 4th and 16. in close games, there are always a lot of things you can point to as a reason for the loss. you come off as a crybaby when you point out one of the 10 factors that was out of your control.

 

[Sbee]

also, back to UConn, they just fired their head coach today

 

[hungry]

Victors posted that already. Thanks, though

 

[Sbee]

I'm just saying that the MSU fans that I know in the real world almost act like they not only won the game, but they blew them out and shut them out and that they're ready to go on and win the super bowl and that Michigan has no chance.

It's almost like it's their next game or something.

that's anecdotal and I can't speak for them, it's na?ve to think this team is going to roll anyone at this point. the Michigan game will be a toss up but I do feel that we'll dominate the line of scrimmage, Gardner may be in for a long day. we dominated the line of scrimmage against ND and lost, could be the same thing. does MSU score enough points to win? can our D play well enough to win the game with a razor thin margin for error? it's tough when you have to be nearly perfect to win.

 

[Spartanmack]

A few shitty calls did hurt, but that had nothing to do with the fact that we only scored 13 points. you can't expect to win if you do that. we killed ourselves with a horrible HB option pass call and not scoring points on that first drive where we started at the ND 30. credit ND, they had a better gameplan and outplayed us.

You don't deserve to win when you score 13 points.

What? Don't want to make this about the MSU/nd game but this is pure nonsense. Kelly said his offensive "gameplan" was predicated on getting PI calls (after the fact of course - doesn't he look like a genius?). Granted MD and our OCs have their heads up their asses but do you think that's a better gameplan? When Cousins said that about the Nebraska debacle in 2011 where our entire offense was "chuck it up and pray" I thought it was the bumbest strategy I'd ever heard of and I really questioned Dantonio's ability to coach.

I'd also like to hear you explain how we got "outplayed" when we had the edge in first downs, yards, 3rd AND 4th down efficiency, YPC, yards per play, etc. The only category we lost in was yards per pass, turnovers (1 to 0) and of course, total points.

There are 2 reasons we lost that game - Dantonio is not a good coach and we got jobbed on a bad call on 3rd or 4th down in every single nd scoring drive. I agree, we were so bad you can't say we deserved to win or that we earned it but we didn't get outplayed. Brian Kelly sucks and he's very lucky that his opponent that day was worse.

 

[hungry]

that's anecdotal and I can't speak for them, it's na?ve to think this team is going to roll anyone at this point. the Michigan game will be a toss up but I do feel that we'll dominate the line of scrimmage, Gardner may be in for a long day. we dominated the line of scrimmage against ND and lost, could be the same thing. does MSU score enough points to win? can our D play well enough to win the game with a razor thin margin for error? it's tough when you have to be nearly perfect to win.

Well, like I said, I wasn't talking about you. The ones I know, you can't even talk to. You bring up football and the first thing they bust out is, "well, we're still going to kick your ass!"

Shit gets old, so I don't really talk to them, but I hear things.

 

[hungry]

What? Don't want to make this about the MSU/nd game but this is pure nonsense. Kelly said his offensive "gameplan" was predicated on getting PI calls (after the fact of course - doesn't he look like a genius?). Granted MD and our OCs have their heads up their asses but do you think that's a better gameplan? When Cousins said that about the Nebraska debacle in 2011 where our entire offense was "chuck it up and pray" I thought it was the bumbest strategy I'd ever heard of and I really questioned Dantonio's ability to coach.

I'd also like to hear you explain how we got "outplayed" when we had the edge in first downs, yards, 3rd AND 4th down efficiency, YPC, yards per play, etc. The only category we lost in was yards per pass, turnovers (1 to 0) and of course, total points.

There are 2 reasons we lost that game - Dantonio is not a good coach and we got jobbed on a bad call on 3rd or 4th down in every single nd scoring drive. I agree, we were so bad you can't say we deserved to win or that we earned it but we didn't get outplayed. Brian Kelly sucks and he's very lucky that his opponent that day was worse.

Every single drive? Even the MSU fans I know, say that 2 of the 5 were legit and they're nuts.

 

[Spartanmack]

Every single drive? Even the MSU fans I know, say that 2 of the 5 were legit and they're nuts.

Every single nd SCORING drive. ND scored on 3 drives - even you can do that math, right?

And while we're at it, even nd announcer Mike Mayock said the refs missed a push off on Robinson on 3rd and 3 deep in nd territory on their first FG drive so there were 2 bad calls on that one alone...

 

[Sbee]

What? Don't want to make this about the MSU/nd game but this is pure nonsense. Kelly said his offensive "gameplan" was predicated on getting PI calls (after the fact of course - doesn't he look like a genius?). Granted MD and our OCs have their heads up their asses but do you think that's a better gameplan? When Cousins said that about the Nebraska debacle in 2011 where our entire offense was "chuck it up and pray" I thought it was the bumbest strategy I'd ever heard of and I really questioned Dantonio's ability to coach.

I'd also like to hear you explain how we got "outplayed" when we had the edge in first downs, yards, 3rd AND 4th down efficiency, YPC, yards per play, etc. The only category we lost in was yards per pass, turnovers (1 to 0) and of course, total points.

There are 2 reasons we lost that game - Dantonio is not a good coach and we got jobbed on a bad call on 3rd or 4th down in every single nd scoring drive. I agree, we were so bad you can't say we deserved to win or that we earned it but we didn't get outplayed. Brian Kelly sucks and he's very lucky that his opponent that day was worse.

I concentrate on the plays we could control, how do you not get points on the first drive of the game? get the ball at the 30, get one first down and then miss a chip shot field goal? the play call with Shelton was horrible, not as much for calling the HB/WR pass but having a true freshman do it. why not use Lippet who was a scout team QB? maybe a senior would have the sense to take a sack or run the ball if nobody was open. I think there were two really shitty PI's against us that helped ND out tremendously.

my point is that you need to score more than 13 to win, if you don't, it's hard to point fingers elsewhere. the refs didn't prevent us from scoring points. if our offense was anything other than abysmal, we wouldn't be talking about PI calls.

 

[Spartanmack]

I concentrate on the plays we could control, how do you not get points on the first drive of the game? get the ball at the 30, get one first down and then miss a chip shot field goal? the play call with Shelton was horrible, not as much for calling the HB/WR pass but having a true freshman do it. why not use Lippet who was a scout team QB? maybe a senior would have the sense to take a sack or run the ball if nobody was open. I think there were two really shitty PI's against us that helped ND out tremendously.

my point is that you need to score more than 13 to win, if you don't, it's hard to point fingers elsewhere. the refs didn't prevent us from scoring points. if our offense was anything other than abysmal, we wouldn't be talking about PI calls.

I agree, we should have gotten points on the first possession and the shelton call was horrible. Putting Maxwell in was way worse (sidebar - i can't belive you still think Dantonio is a good coach). If our offense was good and they just had a bad day then the bad calls are less of an issue. But our offense IS abysmal. Byco is right, when your offense sucks you have no margin for error so when something beyond your control happens it can be (in my opinion, was) the difference between winning and losing.

You're also only seeing half the picture here - yes the offense was abysmal. Everyone knew it would be but that doesn't mean you deserve to lose especially when you're playing another bad team - one with problems on both sides of the ball. The defense held an offense that is averaging 450 yards to 220 yards and if not for the bad calls it could have been below 180 or fewer yds and possibly even a shutout. Refs don't f the defense and maybe could have won the game with a field goal...

 

[byco42]

When you are playing poorly, the bad calls eliminate the margin for error. Witness 2001. The PI and the 12-men on the field would have rendered moot the quick finder of Spartan Bobby Turn-back-the-hands-of-time.

or the facemask on Charles rogers on 4th and 16. in close games, there are always a lot of things you can point to as a reason for the loss. you come off as a crybaby when you point out one of the 10 factors that was out of your control.

Maybe my expression was vague or maybe you are predisposed to draw certain conclusions. I'll assume responsibility. Perhaps I should have said "mistakes and bad calls." The bad call was the clock. The mistakes were the PF and the 12-men. I was, in my head, referring to the LaSeuer PF "brain freeze" that Drew Sharp was vilified for, perhaps without cause, but if there's anyone who has earned vilification without cause, it's that guy.

 

[hungry]

Every single nd SCORING drive. ND scored on 3 drives - even you can do that math, right?

And while we're at it, even nd announcer Mike Mayock said the refs missed a push off on Robinson on 3rd and 3 deep in nd territory on their first FG drive so there were 2 bad calls on that one alone...

Yep. I can do Calculus, too.

I think there were 2 bad PI calls on their last td drive. That leaves 1 bad one the rest of the game. Most MSU fans acknowledge that 2 were legit. If you want to say that they got a PI call on every scoring drive, that's fine, but a couple of those calls were legit.

 

[hungry]

I concentrate on the plays we could control, how do you not get points on the first drive of the game? get the ball at the 30, get one first down and then miss a chip shot field goal? the play call with Shelton was horrible, not as much for calling the HB/WR pass but having a true freshman do it. why not use Lippet who was a scout team QB? maybe a senior would have the sense to take a sack or run the ball if nobody was open. I think there were two really shitty PI's against us that helped ND out tremendously.

my point is that you need to score more than 13 to win, if you don't, it's hard to point fingers elsewhere. the refs didn't prevent us from scoring points. if our offense was anything other than abysmal, we wouldn't be talking about PI calls.

See, even Sbee says there was only 2 shitty PI calls. Sometimes there actually is PI.

 

[Spartanmack]

Yep. I can do Calculus, too.

I think there were 2 bad PI calls on their last td drive. That leaves 1 bad one the rest of the game. Most MSU fans acknowledge that 2 were legit. If you want to say that they got a PI call on every scoring drive, that's fine, but a couple of those calls were legit.

You may think the 2 bad calls were on the last TD drive, but you're wrong. They weren't even in the same half. I watched the game twice last weekend and again this weekend (we had the week off so why not?). the two horrible calls were on separate drives in separate halves, one on 3rd down, the other on 4th down. Both drives went for a nd TD and NBC's nd announcer, Mike Mayock said both were bad calls. A third highly questionable, which was actually defensive holding and the no-call on offensive pass interference (again, highlighted by Mayock) happened on the FG drive. That's a bad PI call (noted by the announcer, not just my opinion) on both TD drives and a questionable call plus a no-call on the FG drive. In fact, Mayock only said one PI call was legit (the one on Dennard when he intercepted the ball). I don't agree, I thought it would have been a fine no-call but whatever, there was still a bad call on every scoring drive and every one was on 3rd or 4th down.