UnitedHealth CEO murdered in targeted killing in NYC

[Michchamp]

Link to current updates on CNN.

There's video of the killing, and a lot of speculation online as to the motive... disgruntled former employee? family member of someone who died after UHC denied coverage? There are probably a lot of people out there who fit the latter... UHC apparently had double the industry average of claim denials (Industry avg. is 16%, and United denied a whopping 32% of all claims, which is absolutely insane when you think about it.)

He was also under investigation by the DOJ for insider trading violations, which were on top of an anti-trust probe into the company that hadn't been made public yet (link). So there's speculation this was a professional hit to silence him, although, it's unclear to me at least whether his testimony would be harmful and to who.

Private health insurance is a scam, horrible for this country, and only maintained in place because of truly massive amounts of lobbying cash dumped on DC and state capitols.

The stories about UHC denying coverage, and re-denying it after successful appeals, leaving families to pay insane amounts of money out-of-pocket for medical care for insured people are legion. You wonder how many American deaths were more-or-less directly on this guy's hands already...

 

[Mitchrapp]

Regardless it was very sad.

 

[Michchamp]

Regardless it was very sad.

I read somewhere that by conservative estimates, at least 20,000 people in the U.S. die each year because of claim or procedure denials by health insurers, and as the largest insurer, with the highest denial rates to boot, UnitedHealth probably caused the lion's share of those deaths. And that's not to dismiss the chronic medical conditions and physical suffering that doesn't end in death, or the financial suffering families endure who have to spend life's savings taking care of family members who's coverage is denied, or who bankrupt themselves to do the same. Those are bad too.

None of those deaths got the coverage or scrutiny that his has, of course.

 

[byco42]

Here's a Jersey Lawyer with numbers on how lethal hospitals can be. LINK

 

[Mitchrapp]

I read somewhere that by conservative estimates, at least 20,000 people in the U.S. die each year because of claim or procedure denials by health insurers, and as the largest insurer, with the highest denial rates to boot, UnitedHealth probably caused the lion's share of those deaths. And that's not to dismiss the chronic medical conditions and physical suffering that doesn't end in death, or the financial suffering families endure who have to spend life's savings taking care of family members who's coverage is denied, or who bankrupt themselves to do the same. Those are bad too.

None of those deaths got the coverage or scrutiny that his has, of course.

Its terrible. No doubt. But lying in wait to kill someone has to be wrong too, eh?

 

[Michchamp]

Its terrible. No doubt. But lying in wait to kill someone has to be wrong too, eh?

Hmmm it depends.

 

[Michchamp]

this is pretty good... how to ace your UnitedHealthcare interview:

 

[Michchamp]

the knowing smile at the end,

 

[Cam]

We all know how crooked these health insurance providers can be, but nothing justifies this. RIP.

 

[byco42]

SO a guy who ices a CEO of a major healthcare org evades capture for several days and is found in Altoona. Right.

 

[Michchamp]

SO a guy who ices a CEO of a major healthcare org evades capture for several days and is found in Altoona. Right.

A McDonald's employee who recognized his face supposedly snitched. Cops said they had no idea who he was, and his identity wasn't even on their radar.

They could be lying, of course, to cover their tracks. But this goes against their desire to appear competent and professional, and constantly demand higher pay and escape scrutiny all the times they screw up (which is like most of the time, judging from how low their murder clearance and crime clearance rates are now).

Just from the record, it appears "The Adjuster" as they're calling him got pretty careless: showing his face several times, and lowering his mask when asked. And then got arrested with the same fake IDs he used in NYC and while carrying his (purportedly) self-manufactured 3D printed gun used in the killing. You had a couple days there, buddy... throw it all in a pond or river, or something. shit.

 

[Katia]

A McDonald's employee who recognized his face supposedly snitched. Cops said they had no idea who he was, and his identity wasn't even on their radar.

They could be lying, of course, to cover their tracks. But this goes against their desire to appear competent and professional, and constantly demand higher pay and escape scrutiny all the times they screw up (which is like most of the time, judging from how low their murder clearance and crime clearance rates are now).

Just from the record, it appears "The Adjuster" as they're calling him got pretty careless: showing his face several times, and lowering his mask when asked. And then got arrested with the same fake IDs he used in NYC and while carrying his (purportedly) self-manufactured 3D printed gun used in the killing. You had a couple days there, buddy... throw it all in a pond or river, or something. shit.

That doesn't sound like what I have read and heard.

A McDonald's customer recognized Mangione and notified a McDonald's employee who then called the police. The police immediately knew they had their guy and arrested him right away after having him remove his mask.

 

[Michchamp]

That doesn't sound like what I have read and heard.

A McDonald's customer recognized Mangione and notified a McDonald's employee who then called the police. The police immediately knew they had their guy and arrested him right away after having him remove his mask.

I've read some speculation that the customer recognition story is just a cover for the real way they tracked and caught him (facial recognition).

McDonald's kiosks have cameras and they share this with the cops.

The authorities don't want people to know how widespread video surveillance and data sharing between corporate America and law enforcement is.

This is also the reason they're not paying anyone a reward, and ran some stories saying "it's complicated." There's no reward because no one actually contributed to this; it was all surveillance...

 

[byco42]

Any credence to the possibility that the guy captured on security cameras is not the same guy captured at McDonalds?

 

[Michchamp]

Any credence to the possibility that the guy captured on security cameras is not the same guy captured at McDonalds?

so like they framed a completely innocent person? I don't know. It doesn't sound like it.

 

[Michchamp]

I think the use of widespread facial recognition explains a lot. Also that it's existence is kept secret because: 1) it could be unconstitutional in some contexts, especially if it's being used where you have an expectation of privacy and 2) it exists to protect the rich & corporate America, and its effectiveness is based on people not knowing it's there and being able to take countermeasures.

so you and I would not benefit from this surveillance. If someone wearing a mask and using fake IDs murdered one of us, and got away the cops would shrug and say "Oh well... gonna be impossible to crack this case."

But if one of us were wealthy and powerful enough to be considered part of the establishment & governing class here in America, the surveillance technology would be employed to find and prosecute the killer, with a public cover story to hide the methodology.

 

[Spartanmack]

I think the use of widespread facial recognition explains a lot. Also that it's existence is kept secret because: 1) it could be unconstitutional in some contexts, especially if it's being used where you have an expectation of privacy and 2) it exists to protect the rich & corporate America, and its effectiveness is based on people not knowing it's there and being able to take countermeasures.

so you and I would not benefit from this surveillance. If someone wearing a mask and using fake IDs murdered one of us, and got away the cops would shrug and say "Oh well... gonna be impossible to crack this case."

But if one of us were wealthy and powerful enough to be considered part of the establishment & governing class here in America, the surveillance technology would be employed to find and prosecute the killer, with a public cover story to hide the methodology.

So they never show pictures of murder suspects from crime scenes on the news if the victim is not a c-suite level exec? And they don’t use this technology to identify them passing through toll stations or boarding trains or using an ATM unless the deceased is a 1%er?

How about all those crimes that were solved tapping private companies’ DNA databases like 23 And Me, were those only for billionaire victims?

Could it be that maybe other crimes that get solved by using these technologies are simply lower profile, less brazen than a Midtown Manhattan execution and therefore they just get less news coverage? You need to let go of the envy and the hatred, it’s causing you to make some really bizarre claims.

 

[Michchamp]

So they never show pictures of murder suspects from crime scenes on the news if the victim is not a c-suite level exec? And they don’t use this technology to identify them passing through toll stations or boarding trains or using an ATM unless the deceased is a 1%er?

How about all those crimes that were solved tapping private companies’ DNA databases like 23 And Me, were those only for billionaire victims?

Could it be that maybe other crimes that get solved by using these technologies are simply lower profile, less brazen than a Midtown Manhattan execution and therefore they just get less news coverage? You need to let go of the envy and the hatred, it’s causing you to make some really bizarre claims.

I'm talking pretty clearly about the use of facial recognition here. DNA evidence has been around for what? 20+ years? It doesn't get used as often as you might think either, given the stories of rape kits sitting around unanalyzed... (according to this, that's over 25,000 nationwide, but the victims weren't CEOs of large corporations)

And yeah, police keep getting worse at clearing (ie solving, arresting and convicting) people for violent crime, including murders. Here, it's reported that only 57% of murders are cleared, nationwide. In 1964, 80% of all murders were cleared by police, and this comes as homicide rates are dropping & spending on police is increasing. SO obviously they worked a little harder on this one.

Not that you're going to read or understand any of that, but it's out there. Compare and contrast typical homicide stories with this case, where pictures of Luigi Mangione's face were widely circulated in the media, nationwide. That just doesn't happen for the typical murder, whether they have photographic evidence or not.

I'm not envious of the victim here, stop projecting. I would not be able to look myself in the mirror if I had to make a living & profiting by ordering underlings to implement policies to deny people medical care and letting them die or suffer in pain. WOuld you? perhaps you're the envious one here...

You need to let go of the billionaire bootlicking and corporate excuse making, it's causing you to make some really bizarre claims.

 

[Spartanmack]

I'm talking pretty clearly about the use of facial recognition here. DNA evidence has been around for what? 20+ years? It doesn't get used as often as you might think either, given the stories of rape kits sitting around unanalyzed... (according to this, that's over 25,000 nationwide, but the victims weren't CEOs of large corporations)

And yeah, police keep getting worse at clearing (ie solving, arresting and convicting) people for violent crime, including murders. Here, it's reported that only 57% of murders are cleared, nationwide. In 1964, 80% of all murders were cleared by police, and this comes as homicide rates are dropping & spending on police is increasing. SO obviously they worked a little harder on this one.

Not that you're going to read or understand any of that, but it's out there. Compare and contrast typical homicide stories with this case, where pictures of Luigi Mangione's face were widely circulated in the media, nationwide. That just doesn't happen for the typical murder, whether they have photographic evidence or not.

I'm not envious of the victim here, stop projecting. I would not be able to look myself in the mirror if I had to make a living & profiting by ordering underlings to implement policies to deny people medical care and letting them die or suffer in pain. WOuld you? perhaps you're the envious one here...

You need to let go of the billionaire bootlicking and corporate excuse making, it's causing you to make some really bizarre claims.

ahh, so it's only facial recognition software technology that's reserved for solving cases where 1%ers are the victims. All the other tools are used for every day folks that get murdered or raped. Got it, that makes tons of sense.

Clearing rates are going down because ass clowns who think like you are becoming DAs thanks to billionaires like George Soros. Police are being defunded, violent criminals are being released without bail, often not even charged and DAs are going after cops for doing their jobs.

You know why Mangione's picture was plastered all over? Because nobody knew who he was and he was a fugitive who they believed to have fled the state. Same with Brian Laundrie - was Gabby Petito the CEO of a major corporation? Because his picture was everywhere while he was a fugitive and he was a known suspect. I'm sure I could come up with a few more examples but the obvious point is, it has a lot more to do with other circumstances of the case than the fact that the victim made more money than you. Also, you realize this technology has not been ubiquitous until fairly recently. Other than casinos and ATMs, it's somewhat new to have in everyday places like McDonald's - thanks to your team pushing absurdly high minimum wages I might add.

Projecting? LOLOLOLOL, your entire worldview is based on envy. Just because you’re too lazy or incompetent to do what others ddo to become successful, doesn’t mean you’re not jealous of them. Saying you won’t do what you think they do to accumulate wealth is just an excuse. It's so painfully obvious your entire motivation is envy, only someone as stupid and self-unaware as you would deny it.