Wasn't there a similar fumble earlier...

[elrod817]

And your entitled to that opinion, as I am.

You're more likely to see the end zone rule changed versus the NFL deciding that any fumble out of bounds goes to the defense. Sums it up for me.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You're more likely to see the end zone rule changed versus the NFL deciding that any fumble out of bounds goes to the defense. Sums it up for me.

I never said I wanted the fumble out of bounds to change. I thought that was rather obvious. Just pointing out how a change in end zone fumble was not a good idea either. I like the way they have both rules.

 

[elrod817]

I never said I wanted the fumble out of bounds to change. I thought that was rather obvious. Just pointing out how a change in end zone fumble was not a good idea either. I like the way they have both rules.

I understand, my friend, I was just expounding on my point about consistency and logic.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I understand, my friend, I was just expounding on my point about consistency and logic.

Which is why I brought up my hypothetical about consistency without the logic, lol.

 

[tomdalton22]

Right, but that same team retains possession. The ball is being kicked to them. A kickoff and a fumble are two entirely different things...

they are both are live balls.

 

[elrod817]

they are both are live balls.

Sure are, not sure what that has to do with the possessing team keeping it in one instance and losing it in another.

 

[tomdalton22]

Sure are, not sure what that has to do with the possessing team keeping it in one instance and losing it in another.

Live ball going out of the end zone being defended...the defending team gets it at the 20

 

[elrod817]

Live ball going out of the end zone being defended...the defending team gets it at the 20

I'll go back to my previous post stating kicks and fumbles are two different things, but for fun I'll play along.

So if a kick bounces off of a "defender" and goes out of bounds it should go to kicking team and not the "defending" team?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Did we get our official apology yet?

 

[sggatecl]

Did we get our official apology yet?

Printed and framed on my wall with the other 3.

 

[cheeno]

 

[mhughes0021]

The second i saw it i thought it was a Touchback for the defense. ....why the fuck would you reward an offense for such a shitty play. Matt would thrown a pick on the next play anyways. True Seattle win. Lions fucking blow.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The second i saw it i thought it was a Touchback for the defense. ....why the fuck would you reward an offense for such a shitty play. Matt would thrown a pick on the next play anyways. True Seattle win. Lions fucking blow.

That's why I can't be upset. After I stopped gasping from the Calvin fumble we all knew it was a touchback.

 

[zyxt9]

The kickoff analogy is not the same as the fumble situation. On a kickoff, once the ball is kicked it is technically in possession of the receiving team and they are on offense, and it is the responsibility of the kicking team to earn the ball back via a fumble. Onside kicks are the equivalent of a neutral ball after it has gone beyond 10 yards, the same way in which a fumble is a neutral ball. However, a kick that goes 10 yards, remains neutral upon going out of bounds, that ball is retained by the receiving team because they are the team that is on offense.

As for a receiving team player attempting to catch a ball, having it bounce off of him and then going out of bounds in the end zone, that player never actually had possession of the football so it is a touchback. If he possesses the ball in the end zone, then upon running with it to get out of the end zone and say accidentally stumbles and knee hits the ball resulting in the ball never leaving the end zone until it goes out of bounds from the end zone, that should be ruled a safety.

Does that clear up that part at all?

 

[zyxt9]

The reason the offense should retain the ball when the football goes through the end zone they are attempting to score a touchdown in is that the neutral ball is never recovered by either team.

In EVERY other situation, a neutral ball goes to the offense. A neutral ball includes when a receiver and defender catch the ball at the same time, both maintaining possession. That "tie ball" is technically neutral as neither player has absolute possession. This "tie ball" is retained by the offense. EVERY situation when there is a neutral ball, the offense retains possession, except when the ball goes out of the end zone they are attempting to score a TD in, then...for some asinine and unacceptable reason...that neutral ball is magically gifted to the defense who never possessed it before that.

It makes ZERO sense based on EVERY other rule in the entire rule book. Just because this rule exists does not mean it is a good rule. It is the stupidest rule in the book and should be considered the #1 rule to have changed.