Why not this!

[lonesometiger]

Real simple here.



1 Tigers have six starters.



2 Tigers used two as relivers in playoffs last season. Porcello, Smyly



3 Porcello has trouble after the 4 and 5 inning of many of his starts.



5 Starter goes down ready made starter already on staff.



6 Use a starter ,Porcello or Smyly as a closer. Starters do that in 9 inning games there called complete games! good experience for either. Finishing a game that is.



7 Starter loses two games in a row. He's out goes to the pen and fresh arm in.



8 Any starter could then get a start off as well then.



9 Problem solved.



10 Best of all Tigers get a better deal in trade as this would show no need to rush things!

 

[Mitchrapp]

Real simple here.



1 Tigers have six starters.



2 Tigers used two as relivers in playoffs last season. Porcello, Smyly



3 Porcello has trouble after the 4 and 5 inning of many of his starts.



5 Starter goes down ready made starter already on staff.



6 Use a starter ,Porcello or Smyly as a closer. Starters do that in 9 inning games there called complete games! good experience for either. Finishing a game that is.



7 Starter loses two games in a row. He's out goes to the pen and fresh arm in.



8 Any starter could then get a start off as well then.



9 Problem solved.



10 Best of all Tigers get a better deal in trade as this would show no need to rush things!

As far as the last part, Porcello as a closer would have less value. He would need to start. Either trade him now or use him as a starter. If he isn't getting more than 4 innings a game, someone who needs a starter won't be looking at him.

 

[lonesometiger]

As far as the last part, Porcello as a closer would have less value. He would need to start. Either trade him now or use him as a starter. If he isn't getting more than 4 innings a game, someone who needs a starter won't be looking at him.

You do agree that there is no need to rush into a trade. As there are other options the Tigers could use?

 

[Mitchrapp]

You do agree that there is no need to rush into a trade. As there are other options the Tigers could use?

Maybe. What I really mean is that if he is our closer, come trade deadline he won't get much unless he turns into Mo. Rivera. As far as who could the Tigers use as the closer, if they want to have a dedicated one - Porcello would not be on the short list.

 

[hellifino]

I don't care if they use Coke as a starter, or at least try him out,cause we know what Porcello brings to the mound. using Porcello as a starter is gonna wear on our bullpen as the season goes along. imo

but in good news... Lamont ain't coaching 3rd base.

 

[tomdalton22]

Porcello's trade value as a starter is pretty much set right now. If he were to start the season as the #5 and pitches great of course his value would increase but if that happens the Tigers wouldn't trade him. I think if both Smyly and Porcello continue to pitch well this spring you keep them both....Smyly is the #5 and Porcello closes.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Why all of a suddenly Porcello is a closer? I'd take every RP we have to close before I let Porcello close.

 

[Thumb]

I don't care if they use Coke as a starter, or at least try him out,cause we know what Porcello brings to the mound. using Porcello as a starter is gonna wear on our bullpen as the season goes along. imo

but in good news... Lamont ain't coaching 3rd base.

Porcello's stamina issues may be linked to him throwing the slider, which he has now scrapped. I'd be interested to see if his arm gets tired after 65-70 pitches just using the 2 seam fastball, 4 seam fastball, and a curveball.

And even with his stamina issues, I don't think we had a worn out bullpen last year because JV, Fister, Sanchez, and Scherzer eat up their fair share of innings. Bullpen will be fine.

 

[sggatecl]

Porcello's stamina issues may be linked to him throwing the slider, which he has now scrapped. I'd be interested to see if his arm gets tired after 65-70 pitches just using the 2 seam fastball, 4 seam fastball, and a curveball.

And even with his stamina issues, I don't think we had a worn out bullpen last year because JV, Fister, Sanchez, and Scherzer eat up their fair share of innings. Bullpen will be fine.

Is his sinker the 2 seam??

 

[Thumb]

Is his sinker the 2 seam??

Yes.

 

[Rebbiv]

Porcello went 6 innings in 16 of his first 25 (64.0%) starts last year.

His last 6 starts = 29.6 IP 15 ER 11 BB 18 SO 4.55 ERA

2011 = 21 of 31 (67.7%)

2010 = 16 of 27 (59.3%)

2009 = 13 of 31 (41.9%)

Until the last 6 games last year, his 2011 and 2012 rates were fairly good (not great) for a starter.

Do not judge Porcello's stamina to Verlander's. That is not fair.

2011 + 2012 Going at least 6 IP

Verlander 65 of 67 (97.0%)

Fister 44 of 57 (77.2%)

A. Sanchez 45 of 63 (71.4%)

Scherzer 41 of 65 (63.1%)

Porcello 37 of 62 (59.7%) (37 of 56 [66.1%] prior to last 6 games last year)

Penny 18 of 31 (58.1%)

Smyly 9 of 18 (50.0%)

P. Coke 6 of 14 (42.9%)

Other DET starters 1 of 19 (5.3%)

 

[Rebbiv]

2009

Bonderman 15 of 29 (51.7%)

Galarraga 12 of 24 (50.0%)

Willis 3 of 8 (37.5 %)

 

[Mitchrapp]

Other Starters 1 of 19, ouch. Maybe just keep Porcello so we don't have to go the "other" route.

 

[Thumb]

Well to be fair the stamina issue was not about innings.

It's about how Porcello seems to tire after the 65-70 pitch mark and loses the drop on his sinker. When he leaves the ball up, he gets hammered, and Leyland is not always as quick with the hook as he should be, so Porcello might finish some innings maybe he should have been pulled during.

But as I said, I'd like to see how he does after scrapping the Slider.

 

[tigersofjustice]

Any team needs 6 starters, might as well have the sixth starter be as good as the 5th. Don't know why everyone is so anxious for a trade of a valuable starter for a less valuable reliever.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Any team needs 6 starters, might as well have the sixth starter be as good as the 5th. Don't know why everyone is so anxious for a trade of a valuable starter for a less valuable reliever.

I don't think anyone wants that. Trading for Porcello for an OF or some prospects, I'm all for.

 

[byco42]

I'm pretty much thinking that if the Tigers keep both Porcello and Smyly, which is assured, that they will share the 5th spot in the rotation and also make spot duty in relief, depending on the rota cycle. This is not revelatory. The idea of removing one or the other from the 5th spot if they lose two straight does not account for two strong performances that earned little or no run support.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm pretty much thinking that if the Tigers keep both Porcello and Smyly, which is assured, that they will share the 5th spot in the rotation and also make spot duty in relief, depending on the rota cycle. This is not revelatory. The idea of removing one or the other from the 5th spot if they lose two straight does not account for two strong performances that earned little or no run support.

With Leyland as manager I'm not so sure. He likes continual..

 

[papacrick]

Closers are overrated. The Tigers are stacked this year. Would be foolish to trade Porcello for the sake of a trade. His value his higher than any closer in baseball in my opinion. Not to mention his peripheral stats are trending in the right direction now if we can only get a solid defense behind him.

 

[byco42]

With Leyland as manager I'm not so sure. He likes continual..

So you project Porcello SP and Smyly the 6th- and 7th-inning guy?