Wisconsin Recount..

[Spartanmack]

I cannot sign that it's ok for Russia to hack and slash a presidential candidate's e-mails sourced from the DNC and call it "all's-fair" in politics.

From the article: "Russian hackers working for the Kremlin cyber-pilfered the DNC then passed the purloined data, including thousands of unflattering emails, to Wikileaks, which has shown them to the world."

This is foreign interference at the highest level, with an agenda to put the other guy in office.

I'm not saying "all's fair" in politics. My point is, regardless of the source, the truth in those emails is what cost Hillary the election, not the fact that they were hacked. I think it should be investigated from the standpoint of national security and protecting the privacy of American citizens. The idea that this may delegitimize Trump's win is nonsense - people found out the truth about Hillary and decided they'd had enough. If the Russians spent millions on an anti-hillary propaganda campaign pushing lies about her, that's one thing but if it was indeed Russian hackers, all they did was show people things they deserved to see.

I don't mean to imply it's your opinion that the Russians swayed the election - that seems to be the conventional line of thinking and I didn't feel like writing a separate post about it.

 

[Mitchrapp]

state.gov. HRC refused to use it.

Ah. Lol.

 

[tigermud]

Hahaahhahahahahah

https://youtu.be/sW85ZcswiqM

 

[Mitchrapp]

That's freakin' awesome. Trumps dancing, great, and Hillary at the end - lol.

 

[Thumb]

we'll just have to wait and see how that turns out, they don't like him, good. What I find concerning are guys like bear whom I like, (that history channel show hunting hilter is outstanding and will likely lead to a re-writing of the history books IMO) openly calling for new elections over this, over claims with no proof provided. Is this the same CIA that said there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq?


http://lawnewz.com/video/fmr-cia-of...tion-amid-latest-russian-interference-claims/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...election_disruption_chuck_this_is_insane.html

Yeah it's fine if China doesn't like him. It's another thing if he does more stupid shit with Taiwan and forces China to invade them to "save face" under the whole "One China" thing. You are aware that if that happens we are supposed to support Taiwan? Which means war with China. Which basically means WW3.

Funny how you call Graham a crazy guy (not arguing this) who advocates WW3, but you're all over the guy with his finger on the button who could actually get us in to it if he doesn't listen to people smarter than himself, of which he believes there are none.

 

[tigermud]

Yeah it's fine if China doesn't like him. It's another thing if he does more stupid shit with Taiwan and forces China to invade them to "save face" under the whole "One China" thing. You are aware that if that happens we are supposed to support Taiwan? Which means war with China. Which basically means WW3.

Funny how you call Graham a crazy guy (not arguing this) who advocates WW3, but you're all over the guy with his finger on the button who could actually get us in to it if he doesn't listen to people smarter than himself, of which he believes there are none.

buys us a time at least we'd prolly be at 11:59:59 right now with Russia if Hillary and the neocons had won

 

[Spartanmack]

Just another example of how voter fraud isn't a thing - just to be clear, are we still saying that there is no evidence that voter fraud exists in spite of all the actual evidence that says it does?

http://nypost.com/2016/12/14/michigan-recount-reveals-error-but-not-the-one-jill-stein-wanted/

Does the phrase "be careful what you wish for" apply here to the Democrats that funded Jill Stein's recount efforts? As my 3 year often says when something goes wrong "oopsies"

 

[byco42]

I'm not saying "all's fair" in politics. My point is, regardless of the source, the truth in those emails is what cost Hillary the election, not the fact that they were hacked. I think it should be investigated from the standpoint of national security and protecting the privacy of American citizens. The idea that this may delegitimize Trump's win is nonsense - people found out the truth about Hillary and decided they'd had enough. If the Russians spent millions on an anti-hillary propaganda campaign pushing lies about her, that's one thing but if it was indeed Russian hackers, all they did was show people things they deserved to see.

I don't mean to imply it's your opinion that the Russians swayed the election - that seems to be the conventional line of thinking and I didn't feel like writing a separate post about it.

Whether or not the election was swayed is not even the point. The point is that Russia hacked the DNC server, and now reports are filtering out that Putin himself was in the midst of the details and directing the entire scam.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Whether or not the election was swayed is not even the point. The point is that Russia hacked the DNC server, and now reports are filtering out that Putin himself was in the midst of the details and directing the entire scam.

It certainly wasn't to help Trump though with most media outlets are saying.. Wisconsin had their recount, others says their machines weren't even attached to the internet so unless Putin and his men came to the states themselves and voted - no voter misconduct.

Yes they should investigate, of course Obama is 8 years too late to the party. More of his legacy gone if he even had one.. But the dem electors are a bunch of whiny little turds.

 

[tigermud]

Whether or not the election was swayed is not even the point. The point is that Russia hacked the DNC server, and now reports are filtering out that Putin himself was in the midst of the details and directing the entire scam.

Likely Just more bs fake news

http://ntknetwork.com/kerry-throws-doubt-on-anonymous-intelligence-reports-on-russian-hacks/

Unnamed this, unconfirmed that..conspiracy thoery under every rock

Reports from who?

 

[Mitchrapp]

It's the most wonderful time in 8 years..

 

[Mitchrapp]

I love Trump's thank you tour where he rips on the media :lmao:

 

[tigermud]

Likely Just more bs fake news

http://ntknetwork.com/kerry-throws-doubt-on-anonymous-intelligence-reports-on-russian-hacks/

Unnamed this, unconfirmed that..conspiracy thoery under every rock

Reports from who?

Wikileaks' founder Julian Assange goes on offensive over claims Russia was behind Clinton emails saying Kremlin is NOT its source
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has flatly rejected U.S. intelligence claims that his organization received leaked Clinton emails from the Russian government
He says the allegations are part of a 'foolish' and 'dangerous' effort by Democrats to overturn Donald Trump’s election victory


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-saying-Kremlin-NOT-source.html#ixzz4Sy4qlbjd


Why Are the Media Taking the CIA’s Hacking Claims at Face Value?

https://www.thenation.com/article/why-are-the-media-taking-the-cias-hacking-claims-at-face-value/

 

[Spartanmack]

Whether or not the election was swayed is not even the point. The point is that Russia hacked the DNC server, and now reports are filtering out that Putin himself was in the midst of the details and directing the entire scam.

I agree - that's what I've been saying. this should definitely be investigated. It has serious national security and personal privacy implications. This should matter to both sides and for the same reasons - the impact of the truth on the election isn't one of those reasons - in my opinion.

 

[Michchamp]

Just another example of how voter fraud isn't a thing - just to be clear, are we still saying that there is no evidence that voter fraud exists in spite of all the actual evidence that says it does?

http://nypost.com/2016/12/14/michigan-recount-reveals-error-but-not-the-one-jill-stein-wanted/

Does the phrase "be careful what you wish for" apply here to the Democrats that funded Jill Stein's recount efforts? As my 3 year often says when something goes wrong "oopsies"

I figured this was unlikely and waited for the other shoe to drop.

Yes, this story is not true. The Freep has printed a followup.

Has the NYPost printed a retraction yet? Maybe you could check it out and report back here? can you manage that, or is it beyond your abilities?

 

[Spartanmack]

I figured this was unlikely and waited for the other shoe to drop.

Yes, this story is not true. The Freep has printed a followup.

Has the NYPost printed a retraction yet? Maybe you could check it out and report back here? can you manage that, or is it beyond your abilities?

No, you didn't figure that. And the article I posted said "MAY have turned up massive voter irregularities" and said Republicans were calling for an investigation. Clearly, understanding basic English is beyond your capabilities.

What does the post have to print a retraction for? Nothing, of course because the story is not not true. None of the quoted headlines in your Freep article came from the Post - at least not the article I posted. As far as I know, they never made any such claims. Did you happen to notice that your own article says Michigan is investigating the very issue mentioned in the article I posted? That article highlighted the fact that several districts turned in more ballots than they had registered voters. The article you posted pointed out the same fact and mentioned it was being investigated. One thing you're quite capable of though is jumping to conclusions and making an ass of yourself - remember "hands up don't shoot?" you fell for that hook, line and sinker too LOLOLOL - I'd say you're the board's expert and this post of yours is just more evidence of it. Are you starting to realize how fucking stupid you look right now? This is where I would have made the realization but I've known for years that you are an idiot.

 

[Michchamp]

No, you didn't figure that. And the article I posted said "MAY have turned up massive voter irregularities" and said Republicans were calling for an investigation. Clearly, understanding basic English is beyond your capabilities.

What does the post have to print a retraction for? Nothing, of course because the story is not not true. None of the quoted headlines in your Freep article came from the Post - at least not the article I posted. As far as I know, they never made any such claims. Did you happen to notice that your own article says Michigan is investigating the very issue mentioned in the article I posted? That article highlighted the fact that several districts turned in more ballots than they had registered voters. The article you posted pointed out the same fact and mentioned it was being investigated. One thing you're quite capable of though is jumping to conclusions and making an ass of yourself - remember "hands up don't shoot?" you fell for that hook, line and sinker too LOLOLOL - I'd say you're the board's expert and this post of yours is just more evidence of it. Are you starting to realize how fucking stupid you look right now? This is where I would have made the realization but I've known for years that you are an idiot.

quote from the article you posted:

WASHINGTON ? Green Party nominee Jill Stein?s presidential vote recount in Michigan may have turned up massive voter irregularities ? in the Democratic stronghold of Detroit.
...
Republican state Sen. Patrick Colbeck called the probe a good start on the suspicious results turned up in Detroit, which Hillary Clinton won with 95 percent of the vote.

The Detroit News found voting scanning machines at 248 of the city?s 662 precincts ? 37 percent ? tabulated more ballots than the number of actual voters counted in the poll books.​

Your comment on the article sure seems to suggest you believed these allegations were true, and this shows evidence of voter fraud by democratic voters in Detroit.

quote from the freep:

A widely shared story that claimed in headlines that Michigan had mass Democratic voter fraud and that more than half of presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's Detroit vote faces disqualification is false. State election officials say there is no proof to back up either claim.
...
It is not uncommon for there to be slight inconsistencies between the number of stored ballots and the number of voter names in a poll book, typically due to human error, but Michigan's elections bureau has ordered an investigation into discrepancies in about 20 of Detroit's 490 precincts.​

i.e. there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud. there may not even have been any voter fraud.

voter fraud - to the extent it happens - is minimal and didn't influence this election, or any of the other ones Republicans are claiming it has.

the issue of "voter fraud" continues to be overblown BS to provide a cover for racist, unconstitutional laws that disenfranchise African American voters.

You continue to be a racist who defends racist laws and policies.

 

[Spartanmack]

quote from the article you posted:

WASHINGTON — Green Party nominee Jill Stein’s presidential vote recount in Michigan may have turned up massive voter irregularities — in the Democratic stronghold of Detroit.
...
Republican state Sen. Patrick Colbeck called the probe a good start on the suspicious results turned up in Detroit, which Hillary Clinton won with 95 percent of the vote.

The Detroit News found voting scanning machines at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts — 37 percent — tabulated more ballots than the number of actual voters counted in the poll books.​

Your comment on the article sure seems to suggest you believed these allegations were true, and this shows evidence of voter fraud by democratic voters in Detroit.

quote from the freep:

A widely shared story that claimed in headlines that Michigan had mass Democratic voter fraud and that more than half of presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's Detroit vote faces disqualification is false. State election officials say there is no proof to back up either claim.
...
It is not uncommon for there to be slight inconsistencies between the number of stored ballots and the number of voter names in a poll book, typically due to human error, but Michigan's elections bureau has ordered an investigation into discrepancies in about 20 of Detroit's 490 precincts.​

i.e. there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud. there may not even have been any voter fraud.

voter fraud - to the extent it happens - is minimal and didn't influence this election, or any of the other ones Republicans are claiming it has.

the issue of "voter fraud" continues to be overblown BS to provide a cover for racist, unconstitutional laws that disenfranchise African American voters.

You continue to be a racist who defends racist laws and policies.

I already quoted the same line from the article I posted that you've quoted here. of course you still need to pretend it says something it doesn't so you can deny you've made a fool of yourself again.

You continue to be an idiot who pretends evidence isn't evidence and people say things they never said so you can call them racist and pretend you have the moral high ground when in actuality you're an amoral piece of shit libtard.

And voter ID laws are not racist, no matter how many times you say they are and how badly you need them to be - they're just not.

 

[Michchamp]

you sure like to talk.

 

[Spartanmack]

you sure like to talk.

funny coming from the guy whose posts are 2x as long as mine, yet say nothing but are riddled with errors if not outright lies and who has more than 2x posts per year than me. Maybe you should ask Santa for a little bit of self awareness in your stocking this year. You're such a clown.