2024 Election

[tomdalton22]

17% of registered voters turned out for the Iowa caucus. Of that number, Trump received 51% of the votes.

Seems to me the orange clown isn't nearly as popular as his followers would like you to believe.

are you referring to the 17% number or the 51% ?

 

[tomdalton22]

I'm saying that when you put those two totals together, Trump received 56,000 votes out of 752,000 registered Republican voters.

ok...what does that have to do with his popularity?

 

[byco42]

Blame the weather and fait accompli. A devastating combination for the also rans and the dropouts.

 

[tigermud]

Trumps says he wants unity for the country and won't have time to seek retribution. sounds great but the concern is the demoncrats just like the last time he offered a branch do not seek unity they only know hatred and don't care if the nation is laid waste, they are demons and that's what demons do.

 

[Spartanmack]

My man Trump clobbers Meatball Ron and Neocon Nicki in Iowa.

Ponzi Schemer Ramaswamy drops out. Chris Christie dropped out earlier.

Looking like this will be a short primary.

Not according to MSNBC and CNN - both have spent a lot of oxygen explaining why Iowa was a horrible result for Trump.

 

[tigermud]

#1 issue for Iowa voters?
The border and illegal immigration. ya don't say. Iowa


A.I is projected to replace 40% of the workforce and we don't need 10m to pick crops in FL,CA what are all these people doing to do?


https://detroitsportsforum.com/showthread.php?t=31664

 

[Michchamp]

#1 issue for Iowa voters?
The border and illegal immigration. ya don't say. Iowa


A.I is projected to replace 40% of the workforce and we don't need 10m to pick crops in FL,CA what are all these people doing to do?


https://detroitsportsforum.com/showthread.php?t=31664

Iowa Republican voters are pretty dumb, like most American voters. They don't actually know shit.

 

[byco42]

Iowa Republican voters are pretty dumb, like most American voters. They don't actually know shit.

Hillary has very high esteem for Democratic voters, non-existent quotes aside.

 

[tigermud]

Iowa Republican voters are pretty dumb, like most American voters. They don't actually know shit.

You open up your doors yet and take any in?

 

[Spartanmack]

Iowa Republican voters are pretty dumb, like most American voters. They don't actually know shit.

Maybe but nowhere near as dumb as Vermont voters.

 

[Spartanmack]

I'm sure you're able to figure that out without me having to explain it. Then again, Trump supporters do like to artificially inflate Trump's supposed popularity as is evidenced by them not being able to accept the fact that Trump didn't win the popular vote in either election. He never was and never will be the choice of the majority.

That's your argument for why Trump isn't popular? 74mm votes but he lost the popular election so he's not popular?

 

[byco42]

A candidate can be popular without winning. Especially when opposing votes are fabricated. Just ask Richard Nixon, who lost to gravestones in Cook County in 1960.

 

[Spartanmack]

My argument is that Trump isn't nearly as popular as Trump supporters would want you to believe. He lost the popular vote in 2016, he lost the popular vote in 2020 and he only got around 7% of Iowa Republicans to come out and support him for the caucus. Also, a new poll out today shows him tied with Haley in New Hampshire. Lastly, every poll out there shows Haley doing better against Biden than Trump.

how popular are Trump supporters claiming he is? Not winning a popular election isn't really an indicator that someone isn't popular.

And what's the typical turn out for Iowa Republicans in a caucus year? 110k doesn't sound that low compared to 122k in 2012 and 120k in 2008.
A difference that can be easily explained by the extreme weather and foregone conclusion of this year's contest. There was a record turnout in 2016 with 187k but I forget who was competing in that one - does anyone here remember? One thing is clear regarding his popularity in Iowa - he's at least 2-3x more popular than his rivals for the nomination.

New Hampshire is a pretty small state in the liberal northeast, is that a good bellweather for how popular Trump is? Relative to how popular Trump supporters claim, that is?

 

[Spartanmack]

I'm positive you've seen and maybe even been a part of the constant pointing out by Trump fans that Trump must be more popular than others based solely on the number of people that show up to his rallies. That's literally been the talking point for 8 years now.

But you're clearly one of his defenders so I don't expect any honest discussion with you.

Do you not think rally turnout is an indication of how popular someone is? Seems like a reasonable metric and by that measure, he's pretty popular.

And what have I said that's dishonest? Clearly, you're one of his haters because you're twisting yourself into knots trying to make the case that a really popular candidate isn't that popular then you say people who point out facts to the contrary are being dishonest. I'm not a Trump supporter (but I will vote for him in the general election if he wins the nomination) but I can clearly see he's enormously popular.

 

[Spartanmack]

Obviously I'm one of his haters, the guy tried to steal an election, sat back and watched his mob attack the Capitol and then stole boxes of classified documents on his way out the door. Anyone still supporting him after all that clearly has a few screws loose.

To back up that opinion, a poll of Republicans who turned out to caucus for Trump showed that 66% of them STILL think that the election was stolen. That's the kind of nut jobs that are getting off the couch to support the most disgraceful piece of trash this country has ever seen.

He told the mob to protest peacefully then when some got out of hand, he told everyone to go home and he accepted a peaceful transition despite still claiming the election was stolen.

As for the classified documents, I suppose you must be really upset at Biden, since as Vice President he wasn't coverd by the Presidential Records Act - he had zero authority to take the documents and no authority to declassify them AND he didn't keep them secured even when he had foreign business associates of his and his son visiting his house in Deleware or any of the other many sites where he illegally stored illegally taken classified documents.

To back up that opinion, do you have any proof that the eleciton wasn't stolen? You do realize not proving it was stolen isn't the same thing as proving it wasn't stolen, right? A recent study has shown a strong correlation between believing the 2016 election was rigged by the Russians and the 2020 election was the most secure election we've ever had. Those are the kind of nut jobs that support the most disgraceful and corrupt piece of trash since the Clinton crime family.

 

[Spartanmack]

Hey, where was Trump today?

Oh that's right, sitting in court being sued for a second time by the woman he was found guilty of sexually assaulting.

What a great guy, I think I'll vote for him!

when was he found guilty of sexually assaulting her? or anyone else for that matter? How much time did he do?

He was found civilly liable for defamation in uber leftist NY for an uncorroborated hearsay accusation dating back more than 30 years. That seems legit.

If that's your standard, keep in mind Biden has more than his share of actually credible sexual assault charges against him. Tara Reade, a Dem staffer accused him of forcefully digitally penetrating her and her story was corroborated by a friend who she told at the time of the assualt. Not to mention his daughter's diary entry where she talks about him showering with her. She would apparently wait until late at night to shower because she feared her dad would join her. That's not creepy, you should vote for that guy...

 

[Spartanmack]

When you have to resort to whataboutism every single time you respond, maybe you need to take some time and think about why it is you're supporting him in the first place.

I'm not supporting him. Pointing out your misstatements of fact like Trump was convicted of sexual assault isn't whataboutism.

It's perfectly appropriate to point out what a hypocrite you are. When you have write off all the worse and grotesque things your guy does as "whataboutism" to ignore his abhorent behavior, maybe it's you who needs to take some time to think about who you're supporting.

Did you know that Jill Biden was married to a Biden campaign staffer who was a friend of Joe's? Joe sent his friend off on the road during one of his Senate campaigns so he could carry on an affair with his wife? Sounds like a real stand up guy.

The list of scumbaggery goes on and on and on. You really should know a little about the people you support before you go attacking the character of the opposition.

 

[Spartanmack]

I started to reply with all the facts that refute your tired and busted conspiracy theories and debunked talking points but then I realized I wasn't going to waste my time arguing with another Trump nut. You go ahead and continue ignoring reality all you want, all I know is that you must be exactly like the orange disgrace if you're willing to support his sickening behavior and his crimes.

Yeah, I'm not a Trump supporter, I just don't buy obvious lies and false narratives force fed to mindless automotons. You don't reply with facts that disprove any of it because you have none.

 

[Spartanmack]

Oh and since you went there, lets talk about Trump lusting after his daughter.

Donald Trump Fantasized About Having Sex With Ivanka, New Book Says
An ex-Trump staffer details the lewd comments Trump regularly made about his daughter?s body.

https://newrepublic.com/post/173968/donald-trump-fantasized-sex-ivanka-new-book-says

whatabout what? LOL, you leftist Trump haters always lose your minds and end up stepping in piles of your own shit. Accuse someone of whataboutism then 2 posts later engage in whataboutism.

I'm not defending Trump's character and I'm not voting for him in the primary. I'm pointing out your misstatement of facts and the hypocrisy of your faux moral preening.

Although I have my doubts about the veracity of this book - sounds like another Steele Dossier from some grifter trying to capitalize and profit from the Orange Man Bad people with anonymous sources and hearsay accusations. If so, it's obviously working as you seem to accept it as fact.

 

[Spartanmack]

Oh so you post a conspiracy theory about Biden and his daughter started by right wing morons but I can't respond with an actual backed up claim made by one of Trump's own people?

Sure, Jan.

Quote from Ashley Biden's diary = conspiracy theory. Got it.