Anti-Vaxx is not Party Specific

[zyxt9]

It is time to stop pointing political fingers over who is anti-Vaxx.. There is plenty of evidence to support the fact that the anti-vaccine problem is not specific to one group.

http://www.realclearscience.com/jou...r_conservatives_more_anti-vaccine_108905.html

Recognize that it isn't a party issue, but a societal issue. There are too many morons in society who only hear one thing "vaccines cause autism" and never bother to follow up with future discrediting info and then preach it like it is scientific fact when all of the actual science points in the opposite direction.

Instead, there needs to be a unified effort to finding out what the primary causes are for autism. Once true results are scientifically proven, then society can relax more and instead of pointing fingers politically they can all join in a celebration.

Personally, I think there is a much bigger issue with all of the herbicides and pesticides that are used.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/mi...-half-of-all-children-to-have-autism-by-2025/

The problem here is you are dealing with big $$$ companies with deep pockets and solid political connections. But the way pesticides and herbicides react with cells provides a much more likely causation for autism. But if that bears out, how much will those companies lose in sales, not to mention lawsuits? Personally, I don't care, let them go bankrupt if their products are the cause. Find the absolute truth first though, it would be very wrong to have a class action case based on bad data.

So please stop this nonsense of pointing political fingers, which does absolutely nothing to help solve the issue of autism. It really is pointless. Today's society is too caught up in pointing fingers politically when all politicians need to be held accountable, regardless of party.

 

[Michchamp]

as I mentioned in the thread I started, more Republicans seem to be taking up the torch, politicizing what was initially not a political issue, but a basic education issue.

 

[zyxt9]

and by singling them out, you ignore how many Libs, Mods, etc. are doing the exact same thing.

key word you used is "seem". that's YOUR perception and not based on any scientific evidence. but hey, why should I expect someone who berates Believers for not using scientific evidence to actually use the evidence before him, instead choosing to go with what he FEELS because it SEEMS to be something worth BELIEVING in and FOLLOWING.

 

[Mitchrapp]

and by singling them out, you ignore how many Libs, Mods, etc. are doing the exact same thing.

Nah, 'Champ wouldn't do that :nod:

 

[Michchamp]

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key word you used is "seem". that's YOUR perception and not based on any scientific evidence. ...

I misspoke. ARE. More Republicans ARE taking up the torch.

Here, Here, Here, & Here to name a few...

Although Chris Christie and Rand Paul FLIP FLOPPED (!) when they were apparently surprised by the discovery that public opinion was not as "anti-vaccination" as their handlers lead them to believe.

 

[zyxt9]

Prove it. I provided a link that provides evidence to the contrary. Regardless, you continue to focus solely on the Republicans who are taking up the torch and for some reason this skews your impression to the point where you BELIEVE that it SEEMS more Republicans are now Anti-Vaxx, while completely ignoring the number of people who are not Republicans who are Anti-Vaxx.

it is NOT a political party issue because there are idiots from all of the parties who are Anti-Vaxx. What part of that is so difficult to grasp? Now if you want to call out the Republicans, elected or candidates, that's fine...just know there are plenty of Democrats and Independents who are Anti-Vaxx as well.

For that matter there is an unfortunate number of scientists, including doctors, who are Anti-Vaxx as well, so stupidity is not solely found amongst politicians or an individual political party.

 

[zyxt9]

Anyway, I hope that Stephanie Seneff is able to get enough support to have the herbicide and pesticide companies put under the magnifying glass. It's always tough to go against such big $$$ companies, but I hope her efforts lead to a better public awareness about how harmful those chemicals are to the environment, including human health.

 

[Michchamp]

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Here, Here, Here, & Here to name a few...

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Prove it. ...

 

[Michchamp]

 

[Spartanmack]

Saying that "most vaccines should be voluntary" or that there should be "SOME level of choice" is not the same as being anti-vaccine. Putting Rand Paul and Christie, who are vaccinated and whose children are vaccinated, into the anti-vaxer camp is a bit of a stretch. Even Duffy who is also saying vaccines should be voluntary vaccinated his kids and is OK with requiring children to be vaccinated to attend public schools.

If that's your proof that Republicans are "taking up the torch" by not demanding that the State tie people down and inject them with vaccines, it seems like an even bigger stretch than most of your anti-conservative biased bilge...

 

[zyxt9]

I see champ has returned to that age old defense when he is incapable of defending his position with facts.

Why are you so incapable of admitting that people who are not Republicans are also Anti-Vaxx? Because it doesn't fit with your agenda, right? Forget about facts and having an intelligent debate and try to actually providing some useful commentary on the subject, it's far easier to just bash the Republicans.

Now if you want to bash Republicans because they are more likely to defend the herbicide and insecticide companies and try to prevent lawsuits against them, then you have my support. But to bash them for being Anti-Vaxx when so many others are as well is irresponsible and unintelligent to say the least.

 

[zyxt9]

Saying that "most vaccines should be voluntary" or that there should be "SOME level of choice" is not the same as being anti-vaccine. Putting Rand Paul and Christie, who are vaccinated and whose children are vaccinated, into the anti-vaxer camp is a bit of a stretch. Even Duffy who is also saying vaccines should be voluntary vaccinated his kids and is OK with requiring children to be vaccinated to attend public schools.

If that's your proof that Republicans are "taking up the torch" by not demanding that the State tie people down and inject them with vaccines, it seems like an even bigger stretch than most of your anti-conservative biased bilge...

Public heath is not something that should be taken so lightly as to say vaccines should be voluntary when all scientific evidence points to them not being the cause for autism. Now, have they had some side effects, even some really bad ones, for a small percentage of children, yes. However, the public health outweighs the hypothetical possibility that a vaccine is going to cause a child to have a bad reaction.

Those who choose to not vaccinate their children should be placed in a ghetto. Sorry, but if you want to have the freedom to vaccinate your child then you belong with everyone else who feels the same way. Yes, it is a bit Nazi of me, but the difference here is CHOICE. If you choose to be Anti-Vaxx, then go live amongst those of a similar mind. Oh, and when an epidemic breaks out and all of those kids are dead when they would have survived if only they had been vaccinated, don't come crying to those who got their kids properly immunized.

These people need to be sued for the pain and suffering they inflict on others. Kids too young to be immunized are going to die because of someone else being negligent with getting their kid immunized. Period. You want to make that choice, then you can pay for the damage, pain, and suffering you inflicted on the innocent people around you.

 

[Spartanmack]

Public heath is not something that should be taken so lightly as to say vaccines should be voluntary when all scientific evidence points to them not being the cause for autism. Now, have they had some side effects, even some really bad ones, for a small percentage of children, yes. However, the public health outweighs the hypothetical possibility that a vaccine is going to cause a child to have a bad reaction.

Those who choose to not vaccinate their children should be placed in a ghetto. Sorry, but if you want to have the freedom to vaccinate your child then you belong with everyone else who feels the same way. Yes, it is a bit Nazi of me, but the difference here is CHOICE. If you choose to be Anti-Vaxx, then go live amongst those of a similar mind. Oh, and when an epidemic breaks out and all of those kids are dead when they would have survived if only they had been vaccinated, don't come crying to those who got their kids properly immunized.

These people need to be sued for the pain and suffering they inflict on others. Kids too young to be immunized are going to die because of someone else being negligent with getting their kid immunized. Period. You want to make that choice, then you can pay for the damage, pain, and suffering you inflicted on the innocent people around you.

I'm not saying I agree with them so there's no need to lecture. All I'm saying is there is a difference between being anti-vaccine and not being for forced vaccination. I'm vaccinated, I have boosters, my wife is vaccinated and all our children are vaccinated. And I'm for keeping kids out of public schools if they are not vaccinated. But after our first kid was sick for a few days after receiving one shot w/ a bunch of vaccines we elected to stagger the vaccines over a couple visits for our other kids. It may have been purely a coincidence or it may have been a tolerance issue - we have no way of knowing. But we talked to our pediatrician and she assured us that doing them all at once was just a matter of convenience and we wouldn't be putting our kids at risk by staggering the shots and making a couple extra appointments. If that is "some level of choice" then pegging Christie as anti-vax and saying it's proof that conservatives are more anti-vax than liberals, it's just more nonsense.

 

[Michchamp]

Saying that "most vaccines should be voluntary" or that there should be "SOME level of choice" is not the same as being anti-vaccine. Putting Rand Paul and Christie, who are vaccinated and whose children are vaccinated, into the anti-vaxer camp is a bit of a stretch. Even Duffy who is also saying vaccines should be voluntary vaccinated his kids and is OK with requiring children to be vaccinated to attend public schools.

If that's your proof that Republicans are "taking up the torch" by not demanding that the State tie people down and inject them with vaccines, it seems like an even bigger stretch than most of your anti-conservative biased bilge...

 

[tinselwolverine]

Those who choose to not vaccinate their children should be placed in a ghetto.

In a ghetto?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ox1Tore9nw

Elvis doesn't say anything about vax or anti-vax.

I don't know about cold and grey Chicago, but here in LA, the anti-vax crowd don't live in a ghetto...that's for sure...

 

[Spartanmack]

That's the best you got? More homophobic slurs? Why do you hate gay people so much that you constantly use anti-gay slurs to bash straight people when they call you out for being so stupid? Is it because you have an inferiority complex because you were never molested during all your years in Catholic school?

You are such a fucking loser. And easily the biggest bigot on this board.

 

[Michchamp]

That's the best you got? More homophobic slurs? Why do you hate gay people so much that you constantly use anti-gay slurs to bash straight people when they call you out for being so stupid? Is it because you have an inferiority complex because you were never molested during all your years in Catholic school?

You are such a fucking loser. And easily the biggest bigot on this board.

sticks and stones...

 

[Spartanmack]

sticks and stones...

says the guy who is always responding with some variation of "you're gay"

 

[Michchamp]

says the guy who is always responding with some variation of "you're gay"

not always, just this one time. sorry if I struck a nerve.

 

[Spartanmack]

not always, just this one time. sorry if I struck a nerve.

No nerves struck - I don't hate gay people like you so when you mislabel me as gay in yet another one of your tantrums it doesn't bother me in the least. But just this one time? This is at least the 3rd or 4th time in less in the last couple months that I've called you out for your hypocritical anti-gay bigotry.