Anti-Vaxx is not Party Specific

[zyxt9]

I'm not saying I agree with them so there's no need to lecture. All I'm saying is there is a difference between being anti-vaccine and not being for forced vaccination. I'm vaccinated, I have boosters, my wife is vaccinated and all our children are vaccinated. And I'm for keeping kids out of public schools if they are not vaccinated. But after our first kid was sick for a few days after receiving one shot w/ a bunch of vaccines we elected to stagger the vaccines over a couple visits for our other kids. It may have been purely a coincidence or it may have been a tolerance issue - we have no way of knowing. But we talked to our pediatrician and she assured us that doing them all at once was just a matter of convenience and we wouldn't be putting our kids at risk by staggering the shots and making a couple extra appointments. If that is "some level of choice" then pegging Christie as anti-vax and saying it's proof that conservatives are more anti-vax than liberals, it's just more nonsense.

Sorry, my comments were more out of frustration with anti-vaxx than you. I have no issue with parents delaying/staggering shots, especially with a child who has had an issue previously. But those are statistically in the minority. The people who refuse to vaccinate are a societal problem though.

 

[Michchamp]

... The people who refuse to vaccinate are a societal problem though.

yes, as are politicians who support those parents' "choice" not to vaccinate their children... like the 4 Republican politicians i linked to... fag.

 

[zyxt9]

yes, as are politicians who support those parents' "choice" not to vaccinate their children... like the 4 Republican politicians i linked to... fag.

Yes champ, those 4 are stupid. Now, can you find any nonRepublican politicians who are also anti-vaxx? No? Ok, well the adults are talking now so...run along, its time for you to catch your bus. Remember, its the shorter yellow bus. You do remember the difference between long and short, right? Yes, correct, your penis is short. And your teeth are yellow, yes! Maybe in a few more centuries you will actually be capable of having adult conversations too!

 

[tigersofjustice]

Don't know why people cling to this stuff. Is it so hard to say that autism is just some shitty luck (mostly for the child and not as much for the whiny parent)? People always need something to blame rather than just accepting that sometimes bad things happen and there is no human constructed thing to blame it on.

And this happens in all walks of life but this is a pretty prevalent example of it being done aggressively and senselessly.

 

[Thumb]

Don't know why people cling to this stuff. Is it so hard to say that autism is just some shitty luck (mostly for the child and not as much for the whiny parent)? People always need something to blame rather than just accepting that sometimes bad things happen and there is no human constructed thing to blame it on.

And this happens in all walks of life but this is a pretty prevalent example of it being done aggressively and senselessly.

The reason they look for something to blame is because cases of Autism are on the rise, big time. Some people just pinned it on vaccinations, but others blame hormones given to beef and dairy cows, or GMO foods, or pesticides, or Lead/Mercury/Arsenic poisoning, etc.

Who knows the real cause, or if the increase is ever really an increase at all. Cases of Autism are up from previous decades but then so is overall population, and the likelihood of being properly diagnosed as autistic.

The anti-vaxx movement really got a big boost though when that mouthbreather Jenny McCarthy got involved. Funnier still is she claims to have cured her sons Autism through alternative medicines.

 

[tsmith7559]

The dirty little secret is these children were most likely illegal immigrants, Dems trying to make it about vacc's.

 

[tinselwolverine]

The dirty little secret is these children were most likely illegal immigrants, Dems trying to make it about vacc's.

You mean the ones who have parents in affluent zip codes in West LA and Santa Monica?

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Now - most of those parents are more likely to be Democrats - so I'm not taking a shot at Republicans with this; quite the contrary - are there illegal alien kids who didn't get vaccinated in their home lands coming across the border? - Sure; but that's not a pro-vax or anti-vax issue; the border issue is a march larger issue on the whole.

And arguably, the president before the current president was as much an open border advocate as this president; he chose not to pursue it through executive fiat, but I suppose he could have had he wanted to.

It's crap like your post, and "the recession was caused by Franklin Raines" that makes it really, really hard for non-partisan moderates (quasi-libertarian ideologically, of course, pragmatically moderate, thank you very much) like, me, for example, to counter some of the unwarranted Republican bashing that goes on....

EDIT: I know we agreed to kind of a truce over on the Lions board regarding this board...but, God damn...the the mind numbingly out of context nature of your post is unimaginable...illegal aliens aren't part of the pro-vax or anti-vax debate...they don't even know what it is, probably...they just wanna get across the fuckin' river without drowning...

...and when they get here...really? They're gonna turn down a vaccination when it gets offered? It's just more free shit they came over here for in the first place...

 

[Michchamp]

...some of the unwarranted Republican bashing that goes on....

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"What the fuck do you mean?"
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[tinselwolverine]

...I don't get it...I didn't see that movie I think...maybe byco could explain it to me...

 

[tsmith7559]

I don't believe it's a vaccine or non vaccinated issue, the outbreak, IMO, is due to illegals, In California the majority of people catching the virus were adults, so the current debate that has been going on the last few years about young babies being vacc. really isn't applicable

Would be interesting if the CDC would release more info on the affected people

 

[tinselwolverine]

I don't believe it's a vaccine or non vaccinated issue, the outbreak, IMO, is due to illegals, In California the majority of people catching the virus were adults, so the current debate that has been going on the last few years about young babies being vacc. really isn't applicable

Would be interesting if the CDC would release more info on the affected people

Fair enough; as I posted earlier, I absolutely agree that the outbreak is related to immigration to a greater or lesser degree.

Ironically, what we could call the Bush/Obama immigration policy (because Obama is doing by executive decree much of what was contained in the - I think it was McCain/Kennedy -Immigration reform bill, that was backed by the Bush White House and was ironically defeated by the president's own party in the HOR) arguably would have gone - could go - a long way in containing the epidemic insofar as bringing illegals "out of the shadows" so to speak, and subjecting them to things like unwanted vaccinations and autism.

But that's not what this thread is about - this thread is about the party identification of the anti vaxers.

Almost no illegal immigrant has an opinion on the vax debate, I would venture to guess.

They also don't have a party identification - although undoubtedly almost all of them will become blood sucking Democrats when they finally get the chance to vote.

 

[Thumb]

I don't believe it's a vaccine or non vaccinated issue, the outbreak, IMO, is due to illegals, In California the majority of people catching the virus were adults, so the current debate that has been going on the last few years about young babies being vacc. really isn't applicable

Would be interesting if the CDC would release more info on the affected people

This is just dumb. The origin of the outbreaks is irrelevant to this discussion. The issue here was never about people with Measles in Disneyland, it was about parents who refuse to vaccinate against preventable viruses, so when you do encounter someone carrying the virus, you are immune.

I do love you your tiny GOP brain has managed to blame the issues on immigrants though. Next you'll be telling us Obama/Al-Qaeda/ISIS caused it, and the best way to solve the problem is with Patriotism, guns, oil drilling/pipelines, and hefty tax breaks for the richest 1%.

 

[tsmith7559]

this is on the political board, no? The media is making it a political issue by asking the GOP candidates their opinion just like the birth control, ie, war on women. I just wonder how a bunch unvac. people at Disney contracted this. 95% are vacc., I think there's more to the story

 

[tinselwolverine]

this is on the political board, no? The media is making it a political issue by asking the GOP candidates their opinion just like the birth control, ie, war on women. I just wonder how a bunch unvac. people at Disney contracted this. 95% are vacc., I think there's more to the story

Okay.

Maybe it deserves its own thread.

I'm a measles/mumps immune unvax myself; simply because I'm 54 years old and had both before the vaxes were rolled out.

Chicken Pox too; I had that.

I did get the Rubella vaccine in school; and and every other vaccination that was available in school back then too...however many of them that there were...

 

[Michchamp]

...I don't get it...I didn't see that movie I think...maybe byco could explain it to me...

it's Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

the scene isn't really relevant, just the quote. I don't see why that's unwarranted.

I highly recommend the movie, BTW

 

[Michchamp]

this is on the political board, no? The media is making it a political issue by asking the GOP candidates their opinion just like the birth control, ie, war on women. I just wonder how a bunch unvac. people at Disney contracted this. 95% are vacc., I think there's more to the story

you could try googling "measles outbreak + Disney"

or

wait until your brain-dead right wing news sites tell you what to think about it.


But anyways... some at the CDC believe the initial carrier(s) at Disney were foreign, but I hardly doubt they were "Illegals" (you fucking racist POS)... do you know how goddamn expensive Disneyland is? "Those" people aren't getting in.

 

[Thumb]

My guess is the idiot means illegals working at Disneyland, not visitors.

 

[grandy]

but I hardly doubt they were "Illegals" (you fucking racist POS)... do you know how goddamn expensive Disneyland is? "Those" people aren't getting in.

Well you know Obama gives away free stuff to illegals, that probably includes Disneyland tickets.

 

[tinselwolverine]

it's Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

the scene isn't really relevant, just the quote. I don't see why that's unwarranted.

I highly recommend the movie, BTW

Oh man of course Johnny Depp and Benicia Deltoro.

I saw the movie.

And at least 10 years before I saw the movie, I read the book.

I have stated before on this board, all a person has to do to be educated in presidential politics is read two books-Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail 1972 by Hunter S Thompson; and Theodore H White's first The Making of the President (it was 1960).

Oh and while we're at it...I highly recommend you read the book Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Awesome read, and as good as the film was so much better

 

[Michchamp]

Oh man of course Johnny Depp and Benicia Deltoro.

I saw the movie.

And at least 10 years before I saw the movie, I read the book.

I have stated before on this board, all a person has to do to be educated in presidential politics is read two books-Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail 1972 by Hunter S Thompson; and Theodore H White's first The Making of the President (it was 1960).

Oh and while we're at it...I highly recommend you read the book Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Awesome read, and as good as the film was so much better

ive read Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail, but not the other one. ill have to add it to the reading list. will i become a libertarian though after i read it?