Beilein

[thewolverines24]

I don't agree with it being too late. 2-3 zone is something every kid should be able to run. It's a pretty standard zone through HS, AA, whatever. I don't think anything could be much worse than this team's man to man.

I agree that it shouldn't be too late. The only reason I say it is too late, is because of this team's total lack of communication on the defensive end. They can't handle their current assignments/rotations, so giving them something new could make things even worse. Should have specified.

Still, they should be probably just say fuck it and try it. Man to man has been weak all year. They give up wide open threes at an alarming rate and that gets you bounced out of March Madness very quickly.

 

[dubbsco]

Agreed. I remember watching the 1-3-1 against more of the elite teams (against UCONN on the road a few years back sticks out in my mind), and how it baffled them. I don't understand why Beilein has gone mostly man. It's not working. Time to try something else.

 

[allshouldbleedblue]

i really liked when this team used to play zone. i know they say man is for more athletic teams and zone for the less talented teams but the zone whether it be jb's 1-3-1 or 2-3 really slows teams down. you have to be good shooters to beat the zone and with the way this team has been playing it would definitely help with their tired legs and weak perimeter defense.

 

[dubbsco]

I don't necessarily agree that the zone is for less talented teams. Just look at Syracuse. They are so well-drilled in that zone. They don't let anyone in, and it is damn near impossible for a team to get an open look. They are athletic as hell on the wings. Michigan is too. Put THJ and GR3 on the sides, Burke and Stauskas up top. I think it would be a thing of beauty.

 

[thewolverines24]

I wish we had a John Chaney disciple on the staff so he could teach the 2-3 match up zone. Great defense.

 

[thewolverines24]

I don't necessarily agree that the zone is for less talented teams. Just look at Syracuse. They are so well-drilled in that zone. They don't let anyone in, and it is damn near impossible for a team to get an open look. They are athletic as hell on the wings. Michigan is too. Put THJ and GR3 on the sides, Burke and Stauskas up top. I think it would be a thing of beauty.

Cuse does a remarkable job rebounding out of their 2-3 as well. They run it to perfection.

I don't think we have ran the 2-3 on even one possesion this season. Whenever we go zone, it's 1-3-1. I hate the 1-3-1 for this team because we aren't a great rebounding team anyway and the 1-3-1 is the worst defense possible for defensive rebounding.

 

[b311j]

Not feeling very confident heading in into March Madness

 

[tigersofjustice]

I would say a fourth option.

Can recruit but can't really coach.

Pick your poison, would you rather have a very good coach who cannot recruit talent or a recruiter who can't coach that well?

Personally I'd rather have under achieving talented teams than over achieving untalented ones. At least the former can get lucky and win in March.

Both recruiting and coaching prowess would be ideal but this team's performance would indicate strongly that Beilein can't coach as well as some others.

 

[hungry]

I would say a fourth option.

Can recruit but can't really coach.

Pick your poison, would you rather have a very good coach who cannot recruit talent or a recruiter who can't coach that well?

Personally I'd rather have under achieving talented teams than over achieving untalented ones. At least the former can get lucky and win in March.

Both recruiting and coaching prowess would be ideal but this team's performance would indicate strongly that Beilein can't coach as well as some others.

Michigan is 26-7 and just went 12-6 in the best conference in college basketball. They did this with a soph point guard, junior sg, true freshman 3, true freshman 4, and either a true freshman 5 or 2 very limited juniors at the 5. They're bench consists of garbage players and 2 true freshman, Albrecht and LeVert. JB can't coach? Come on. Sure, we wanted them to perform better in about 4 games this year. I'd say part of the reason Trey Burke is so good has to do with the coaches, or did he just do it all on his own? In the past, JB has done a lot better with a veteran team. He hasn't really had that oppurtunity at Michigan.

I am disturbed by his inability to win more than 1 game in tournaments, but saying that he can't coach is just plain stupid.

 

[tigersofjustice]

Michigan is 26-7 and just went 12-6 in the best conference in college basketball. They did this with a soph point guard, junior sg, true freshman 3, true freshman 4, and either a true freshman 5 or 2 very limited juniors at the 5. They're bench consists of garbage players and 2 true freshman, Albrecht and LeVert. JB can't coach? Come on. Sure, we wanted them to perform better in about 4 games this year. I'd say part of the reason Trey Burke is so good has to do with the coaches, or did he just do it all on his own? In the past, JB has done a lot better with a veteran team. He hasn't really had that oppurtunity at Michigan.

I am disturbed by his inability to win more than 1 game in tournaments, but saying that he can't coach is just plain stupid.

I think for the most part, players make themselves better with their own hard work and study. You can try and teach somebody something but if they don't want to learn, they won't.

Saying he can't coach is probably strong, but he certainly hasn't done a bang up job. This team has oodles of talent and they do stupid coachable things to lose games that they should win.

 

[hungry]

I think for the most part, players make themselves better with their own hard work and study. You can try and teach somebody something but if they don't want to learn, they won't.

Saying he can't coach is probably strong, but he certainly hasn't done a bang up job. This team has oodles of talent and they do stupid coachable things to lose games that they should win.

Well, it surely would be interesting what JB could do with a senior Trey Burke and all of these freshmen as juniors. It's too bad we won't get to see that.

I think a coach has a lot to do with the development of a player and a lot of that happens over the offseason. Most of these players haven't even seen an offseason at MIchigan.

 

[allshouldbleedblue]

I think for the most part, players make themselves better with their own hard work and study. You can try and teach somebody something but if they don't want to learn, they won't.

Saying he can't coach is probably strong, but he certainly hasn't done a bang up job. This team has oodles of talent and they do stupid coachable things to lose games that they should win.

this. either JB isnt coaching fundamentals to these kids or they are not trying or listening. if the players are not trying or listening to the him then they should not be playing and should be getting punished for it. either way it just seems like he is not doing what he is paid to do. i dont want JB to be fired or think he is a bad coach. i just think he has limits at this point when it comes to making players play to the best of their abilities. maybe he is in a slump and will snap out of it but it just seems like fundamentals and coaching adjustments have been really lacking these past few months and thats what he is responsible for.

 

[hungry]

this. either JB isnt coaching fundamentals to these kids or they are not trying or listening. if the players are not trying or listening to the him then they should not be playing and should be getting punished for it. either way it just seems like he is not doing what he is paid to do. i dont want JB to be fired or think he is a bad coach. i just think he has limits at this point when it comes to making players play to the best of their abilities. maybe he is in a slump and will snap out of it but it just seems like fundamentals and coaching adjustments have been really lacking these past few months and thats what he is responsible for.

punished? What is he supposed to do? Pull G3 and put in McLemons? He doesn't have another player ready on the bench. Hopefully, over the next couple of years, he can develop some talented depth past his starting 5.

 

[allshouldbleedblue]

did you play any sports in your life? coaches can punish players without hurting the entire team. when athletes dont listen to their coaches you run them to death. when they dont do their job in the game you sit them down. and you continue to sit them everytime they make mistakes until they understand that their are consequences for their actions. when they are not being fundamentally sound then you make them work on it solely at practice over and over and over again until it is drilled into their thick heads. are all of these coaching ideals new to you. for someone who seems to be pretty opinionated about sports you dont get this at all.

 

[hungry]

did you play any sports in your life? coaches can punish players without hurting the entire team. when athletes dont listen to their coaches you run them to death. when they dont do their job in the game you sit them down. and you continue to sit them everytime they make mistakes until they understand that their are consequences for their actions. when they are not being fundamentally sound then you make them work on it solely at practice over and over and over again until it is drilled into their thick heads. are all of these coaching ideals new to you. for someone who seems to be pretty opinionated about sports you dont get this at all.

Nope, none of those things seems crazy. How do we know he doesn't run these players to death in practice or have them practice fundamentals over and over? Do you have access to practice that I don't?

Yes, I played sports. What does that have to do with anything?

As for sitting them? You're kidding right? Should he put in Bartlestein?

When I played sports, the talent differential between me and the guy on the bench wasn't that large. There's a pretty big gap on this Michigan team.

 

[wheels002]

I think at some point our expectations may have gotten just a bit to high. This team had 0 senior leadership. Thats where we really seem to miss Zack and Stu. For as good as Tim is he doesnt strike me as the in your face guy that some of the freshman may have needed. We still had a good year in a stacked B10. I really think we could have won almost any other conference and we were only a tip in short of winning a share of this one. We still have the ability to make noise in the big dance. The future should be good for this team. I assume we will really only lose Burke. We should have more depth while most of the other B10 teams ecept maybe Sparty may lose multiple key players.

 

[allshouldbleedblue]

we played 9 players extended minutes at some point these past few months. you are meaning to tell me that we are better off with nik and gr3 standing around than having levert or spike or horford or mcgary playing more minutes for example anytime they dont do what they are supposed to? i never said bench a player that is not doing what he is supposed to and never play him again. i said sit them down when they dont do something right so they realize there is a consequence. if you put them back in and they keep doing it then you keep benching them.

 

[hungry]

we played 9 players extended minutes at some point these past few months. you are meaning to tell me that we are better off with nik and gr3 standing around than having levert or spike or horford or mcgary playing more minutes for example anytime they dont do what they are supposed to? i never said bench a player that is not doing what he is supposed to and never play him again. i said sit them down when they dont do something right so they realize there is a consequence. if you put them back in and they keep doing it then you keep benching them.

Yah because throwing SPike in there for G3 yesterday really helped out...

just because 9 players played doesn't mean that they should've played in an ideal situation. Levert and Albrecht really should've redshirted this season. The only reason that they didn't is because of the depth situation on this team. Morgan and Horford spent a lot of time being hurt and McGary isn't able to play for more than about 20 minutes / game.

Yes, it is better to have Stauskus or G3 out there sometimes, because they can still come alive and hit a shot or 3 that leads to a comeback or a w. It's happened several times this season. Sometimes players have to play through a funk and sometimes benching them is the worst thing you can do. Imagine JB benches those players and the other team goes on a huge run and they lose anyway. Then we're complaining because JB wouldn't play the best players.

 

[allshouldbleedblue]

man what do we even have coaches for then? just let the best 5 guys stand around on the court and do whatever they want. and then hopefully they can just hit a 3 or make a big play to overshadow all their laziness. who cares that the bench players can hit shots too.

levert isnt playing because of lack of depth. JB wanted to redshirt him but he was playing too well at practice to keep him out of the games. when stauskas got hurt did levert show that he shouldnt be playing or that he should be playing? i remember alot of people saying they would rather see levert play because he plays defense. could have sworn this was just last week.

 

[tigersofjustice]

Nope, none of those things seems crazy. How do we know he doesn't run these players to death in practice or have them practice fundamentals over and over? Do you have access to practice that I don't?

Yes, I played sports. What does that have to do with anything?

As for sitting them? You're kidding right? Should he put in Bartlestein?

When I played sports, the talent differential between me and the guy on the bench wasn't that large. There's a pretty big gap on this Michigan team.

Honestly, just using GR3 as an example, if he's doing something stupid and Bartelstein will get in and box out or play a man a certain way or what have you, then yes, PUT IN BARTELSTEIN. Unless GR3 is going off at that moment why wouldn't you do it? It's not like his presence is doing anything positive for the team at that moment.