Bubba Gets Caught Telling The Truth About 0bamacare

[jwlcosu]

This has been out there for at least 36 hours and I didn't think I'd have to be the one to post. I guess it makes sense, however, in that the in-bred news sources libs adhere to likely ignored the fact that Bubba got caught telling the truth about 0bamacare.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-hikes-bill-clinton-laments-crazy-system.html

Funny to me is the visual of you libs asking yourselves ok, what do they want me to think now?

Get a clue, guys.

 

[biggunsbob]

Give me a break .So tell me what great plan the Gop would have implemented way back when? You know the party that could give a rats ass about people.

Insurance for people till there 26 years old?
Pre-existing conditions. You know the one that those companies try and stop treatment for everyone with.

You and I both know the Gop never would have fought for the these for Americans so I will gladly and I do pay higher premiums so more Americans can have health coverage.

It's time to stop this for profit healthcare system and form a true national health care system for every American !!!!!
At least Obama tried. Something the Gop would never do.

 

[tinselwolverine]

This has been out there for at least 36 hours and I didn't think I'd have to be the one to post. I guess it makes sense, however, in that the in-bred news sources libs adhere to likely ignored the fact that Bubba got caught telling the truth about 0bamacare.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-hikes-bill-clinton-laments-crazy-system.html

Funny to me is the visual of you libs asking yourselves ok, what do they want me to think now?

Get a clue, guys.

Meh.

It's clear from the link that everyone thinks - on both sides of the aisle - that the ACA definitely fixed some things but fucked some other shit up.

In the link even Obama says there's shit that needs to be fixed - obviously any or all of that shit will or won't be done as he's living the exclusively ornamented studded life that every former POTUS in recent history.

So thanks for reminding us of inconsequential non-events that apparently you are the only one here doesn't realize we already know.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I went on so many rants about this back when it happened. Everyone should hate this bill. The main thing it does is protect the institutions that drive up prices.

 

[Michchamp]

I went on so many rants about this back when it happened. Everyone should hate this bill. The main thing it does is protect the institutions that drive up prices.

Because it's socialism.

 

[biggunsbob]

I went on so many rants about this back when it happened. Everyone should hate this bill. The main thing it does is protect the institutions that drive up prices.

Why do people blame one party when it was pretty clear the Gop gutted obama care every chance they could under McConnell the hypocrite. At least Obama had the balls to try and get more people insurance. Something the Gop would never do or try. Talk about protecting institutions. They can share that blame as well.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Because it's socialism.

Ha!

I remember that you had similar comments to what Gulo posted that you quoted above as the bill was being debated - that it was written primarily by agents of big insurance and big pharma.

 

[Michchamp]

Ha!

I remember that you had similar comments to what Gulo posted that you quoted above as the bill was being debated - that it was written primarily by agents of big insurance and big pharma.

the clear intent (at least it's clear to me) is to keep people all confused... hate the policy because it's socialist or "socialistic" as really dumb people call it, even though it was written by the lobbyists for big pharma and the big healthcare insurers.

It's a big piece of legislation and as such it's effects take time to be fully realized. part of the effectiveness was limited by "brilliant jurist" John Roberts giving states the power to reject it, while keeping their medicaid funding. so, that's one issue. i guess it was always going to fuck people over, given who wrote it, but the hope was the good that came from getting more people insured and able to finally see specialists instead of burdening the more expensive ERs, and also get preventative treatments instead of reactive ones would balance that out a bit.

there was also the expectation that over time, the ACA could be tweaked to improve it's performance and impact, but instead we got Boehner/McConnell's dozens of futile attempts to repeal it, grandstanding Republitard governors filing lawsuits to challenge it (and therefore wasting EVERY branch of governments time), and Roberts pretending he's king solomon splitting the baby, except he ended up actually maiming the baby first before handing it back...

 

[TheVictors]

I thought this was going to be about golf.

Fortunately, it's an article from FoxNews that has been railing against the affordable healthcare act since before it was passed. Thank God finally someone is talking about something other than Hillary's emails and Donald's psychosis.

Breath of fucking fresh air, jwlcosu - what would the board do without you!?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Because it's socialism.

It's not even socialism...in fact, I think it makes it more difficult to ever have socialist health care.

 

[jwlcosu]

Breath of fucking fresh air, jwlcosu - what would the board do without you!?

Right. Me with 1200 posts you with 12,000.

 

[Spartanmack]

Give me a break .So tell me what great plan the Gop would have implemented way back when? You know the party that could give a rats ass about people.

Insurance for people till there 26 years old?
Pre-existing conditions. You know the one that those companies try and stop treatment for everyone with.

You and I both know the Gop never would have fought for the these for Americans so I will gladly and I do pay higher premiums so more Americans can have health coverage.

It's time to stop this for profit healthcare system and form a true national health care system for every American !!!!!
At least Obama tried. Something the Gop would never do.

Obamacare is an abject failure by any measure that has made things worse not better and you're hear defending it by saying it's better than what the GOP did. You're a broken record - one arrow in the quiver. No matter how bad something is, find a way to say the GOP is worse.

 

[biggunsbob]

Obamacare is an abject failure by any measure that has made things worse not better and you're hear defending it by saying it's better than what the GOP did. You're a broken record - one arrow in the quiver. No matter how bad something is, find a way to say the GOP is worse.

Give me your plan. The Gop has no plan. They didn't want preexisting conditions for people and I am sure they hated college kids getting insurance until age 26. At least Obama tried something unlike the do nothing obstructionist GOP. oh B the great Mitch Mcconnell who is a piece if shit. I'm all ears give me your great gop plan because all you ever do is rail on democrats when in fact republicans are just as bad as the Democrats. Who is a broken record. Keep defending the GOP Like YOU ALWAYS do.

 

[Spartanmack]

Give me your plan. The Gop has no plan. They didn't want preexisting conditions for people and I am sure they hated college kids getting insurance until age 26. At least Obama tried something unlike the do nothing obstructionist GOP. oh B the great Mitch Mcconnell who is a piece if shit. I'm all ears give me your great gop plan because all you ever do is rail on democrats when in fact republicans are just as bad as the Democrats. Who is a broken record. Keep defending the GOP Like YOU ALWAYS do.

First, being critical of Obamacare is not defending the GOP. I don't always defend the GOP - I'm more critical of people like McConnell than you - you just say I do that because you need to believe it for some reason. You're the partisan hack here, not me.

On to Obamacare now - so for you, making it worse is better than doing nothing. got it. I've given my healthcare reform plan on here several times but for the special folks, here it goes again - 1)deregulate insurance so there can be real competition and healthcare isn't dictated by HMOs 2) tort reform 3) automate health records to reduce duplicate procedures and increase efficiency.

You can keep certain regulations like not allowing insurance companies to dump sick people as long as they continue to pay premiums and I'm for the pre-existing conditions rule for people who already had insurance and are looking to switch. You can probably come up with a couple other reasons but the idea that you can wait until you get sick or break your leg to buy insurance is absurd. We don't let people buy homeowner's insurance after their house burns down.

 

[Gulo Blue]

We don't let people buy homeowner's insurance after their house burns down.

We also don't cover paint and light bulbs regular maintenance stuff with homeowner's insurance. Step one to a real fix for our health system is to realize that it is beyond stupid to have insurance for regular maintenance. Insurance drives up costs in exchange for distributing risk. Insurance for things that happen often is a racket. Whether we want the government to subsidize or not subsidize common healthcare issues and how much is a separate issue, but right now our healthcare is structured like homeowners insurance that covers light bulbs and auto insurance that covers gasoline. And we wonder why it's so expensive and argue over the regulation of this screwed up system.

 

[biggunsbob]

First, being critical of Obamacare is not defending the GOP. I don't always defend the GOP - I'm more critical of people like McConnell than you - you just say I do that because you need to believe it for some reason. You're the partisan hack here, not me.

On to Obamacare now - so for you, making it worse is better than doing nothing. got it. I've given my healthcare reform plan on here several times but for the special folks, here it goes again - 1)deregulate insurance so there can be real competition and healthcare isn't dictated by HMOs 2) tort reform 3) automate health records to reduce duplicate procedures and increase efficiency.

You can keep certain regulations like not allowing insurance companies to dump sick people as long as they continue to pay premiums and I'm for the pre-existing conditions rule for people who already had insurance and are looking to switch. You can probably come up with a couple other reasons but the idea that you can wait until you get sick or break your leg to buy insurance is absurd. We don't let people buy homeowner's insurance after their house burns down.

Screw for profit medicine.
Seriously calling me a hack is something when all you do is defend one side way more then the oither. Saying your more critical of McConnell is bullshit. What do you want him and the Republicans to do obstruct obama even more ? Please tell me again. What Obama inherented? At least he tried to get more people insurance something the Republicans have always balked at. I certainly remember them fighting Hillary in the 90's .
Yippeee!!! Let's deregulate the insurance industry so it will create more competition just like every president has done since Regan. Screw Bill Clinton because my cable bill is higher then ever and there are not many choices for cheap service . Kansas didn't work so please lets not try the Brownback plan. I have blasted Democrat's plenty on here but oh I'm a hack for thinking Clinton is way more presidential then Trump. My guess is you do too but would be to afraid to admit it on this board . So what type of tort reform do you want? My guess is you would be pissed if any of your love ones was killed by a incompetent doctor. But hey let's protect the insurance companies and the few terrible doctor's with tort reform. Here is a novel concept . INSURE EVERYONE UNDER NATIONAL HEALTHCARE.. it's the right thing to do and if both democrats and republicans could just come together it could be done . It would be historic and create more opportunities for all Americans.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Screw for profit medicine.

For profit medicine in combination with our universities is why the US plays such a big role in medical technology development.

That doesn't justify everything, but it's a key element we want to maintain.

 

[Spartanmack]

Screw for profit medicine.
Seriously calling me a hack is something when all you do is defend one side way more then the oither. Saying your more critical of McConnell is bullshit. What do you want him and the Republicans to do obstruct obama even more ? Please tell me again. What Obama inherented? At least he tried to get more people insurance something the Republicans have always balked at. I certainly remember them fighting Hillary in the 90's .
Yippeee!!! Let's deregulate the insurance industry so it will create more competition just like every president has done since Regan. Screw Bill Clinton because my cable bill is higher then ever and there are not many choices for cheap service . Kansas didn't work so please lets not try the Brownback plan. I have blasted Democrat's plenty on here but oh I'm a hack for thinking Clinton is way more presidential then Trump. My guess is you do too but would be to afraid to admit it on this board . So what type of tort reform do you want? My guess is you would be pissed if any of your love ones was killed by a incompetent doctor. But hey let's protect the insurance companies and the few terrible doctor's with tort reform. Here is a novel concept . INSURE EVERYONE UNDER NATIONAL HEALTHCARE.. it's the right thing to do and if both democrats and republicans could just come together it could be done . It would be historic and create more opportunities for all Americans.

I stopped reading after "screw for profit medicine." I'm sure the rest can't get any dumber, but it's probably on par.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Whether something should be part of an insurance plan is completely different from allowing someone to buy insurance after an incident. we don't cover paint and light bulbs with regular insurance because we want our insurance to be cheap. When it comes to healthcare, the "paint and light bulbs" are pretty expensive and can be priced into insurance plans people are willing to pay for.

And it's not structured like those in the first place. For one, auto insurance that covers gas would be more like health insurance that picks up your grocery bill. But it's still different than the paint and light bulbs analogy. There is a calculated cost benefit to providing well care and routine medical services. Paint and light bulbs won't prevent a tree from falling on your house but a regular routine physical, well-care and doctor visits for seemingly routine aches, pains, etc can screen for potentially life threatening illnesses. Covering birth control or elective procedures like sterilization are cheaper than pre-natal care, births and covering a child. They're maintenance items, but they save $ in the long run.

You're doing the calculation for the insurance company instead of the consumer.

The analogy doesn't work so great there only because there isn't a lot of preventative care out there that everybody is doing all the time that would impact homeowners and auto insurance. But let's just say they did. Let's say everybody hired tree services to remove trees because trees falling on houses was a more common thing. Homeowner's insurance companies start covering tree removal services because it saves them money. Do you honestly think prices are going down for homeowners? Of course not. Through the price of insurance, they're going to pay for that tree removal service, plus the additional cost associated with insurance administration and management.

 

[Gulo Blue]

When it comes to healthcare, the "paint and light bulbs" are pretty expensive

Doesn't matter. They still cost more if covered by insurance. There's no free lunch here.