By rule definition, not a facemask

[zyxt9]

"No player shall grasp and control, twist, turn, push, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction. Note: If a player grasps an opponent?s facemask, he must immediately release it. If he does not immediately release it and controls his opponent, it is a foul."

The part of the facemask rule the talking heads are missing is the last line:

"If he does not immediately release it and controls his opponent, it is a foul."

How much faster could anyone release a facemask? To be any more immediate it would have to not be touched at all.

 

[biggunsbob]

Boomer Esision agrees with you.. Said in realtime it looked bad but upon review it wasn't.
And that is why we need replay in the last 2 minutes of games..

 

[grandy]

Slightly related

I'm still not entirely sure what happened when they removed the incidental face mask penalty. Was it included in the face mask 15 yarder or was it allowed to happen without a call? I only ask this after seeing several mixed calls since the removal of that particular penalty back in 2008.

 

[biggunsbob]

Well Aaron sold the face-mask to make it look worse then it was.. I am unsure of this rule either grandy.
No way Stafford gets that call in Green bay.


Refs would have converged and waved the flag in the air and called no penalty.

 

[dubbsco]

Not directed at you, but is there a worse fan base than Detroit about officiating complaints? Here's an idea: Rodgers can't go anywhere, he can't throw it forward. There's no one within 20 yards of him, he was on an island with two Lions. Instead of reaching your hand for his head, tackle the guy.

Lions also dodged a massive bullet on 3rd down when our safety got his hand around Abrederis's neck. They could have been kicking a chip shot to win the game.

 

[tigermud]

At an absolute min there is no way shit like this should be a "Personal Foul" for 15 yards. was it intentional hell no, why the f is everything considered a personal foul these days for 15 GD yards. Bring back the incidental 5 yards for crap like this, good gawd man the NFL is such a pasty joke. Lions always getting jobed by crap like this is really f'n old already. Having said that yes I agree if we had a damn coach that played to win instead of not to lose it might be different! You play to win the game damit, not to force other teams into using their time outs before you give them the ball back for one last shot. Play to win damit!!!!!!!!!

Are we ever going to get a coach in this damn town that gets that!!

 

[biggunsbob]

Not directed at you, but is there a worse fan base than Detroit about officiating complaints? Here's an idea: Rodgers can't go anywhere, he can't throw it forward. There's no one within 20 yards of him, he was on an island with two Lions. Instead of reaching your hand for his head, tackle the guy.

Lions also dodged a massive bullet on 3rd down when our safety got his hand around Abrederis's neck. They could have been kicking a chip shot to win the game.

The NFL network guy said that wasn't pass interference on the show and Boomer back that non call up..
Both were playing the ball he said..
Hey when you have been burned over and over again with bad calls its bound to be a touchy subject. I am well aware The Lions are at fault for not putting the game away and in explicably not playing for a hail mary. Yes the Taylor was dumb for having his hand anywhere near AR's face.. But that said The lions never get that call..Lions are just a shit run organization and the NFL treat's us as such..

Watching McCarthy on the sidelines he may be a whiny son-of a gun but at least he is working the officals unlike our zombie head coach..

 

[brewer229]

I get it we all all have HD tvs with DVR and slow motion. Watch it at normal speed and tell me it didn't look like a face mask. Two refs threw the flag. It looked like a face mask. Turns out, yep it was a bad call. Still only have to defend 10 out of 70 yards for one play. Couldn't do it.

 

[brewer229]

At an absolute min there is no way shit like this should be a "Personal Foul" for 15 yards. was it intentional hell no, why the f is everything considered a personal foul these days for 15 GD yards. Bring back the incidental 5 yards for crap like this, good gawd man the NFL is such a pasty joke. Lions always getting jobed by crap like this is really f'n old already. Having said that yes I agree if we had a damn coach that played to win instead of not to lose it might be different! You play to win the game damit, not to force other teams into using their time outs before you give them the ball back for one last shot. Play to win damit!!!!!!!!!

Are we ever going to get a coach in this damn town that gets that!!

sweet then we can talk about how we go hosed because our guy was tackled by a facemask but they only called it for 5 yards. The more types of penalties you have, the more excuses you give the fans of this team.

 

[dubbsco]

Both were playing the ball? Don't both play the ball every time?

He had his hand around his neck and wrestled him to the ground. That's a PI 9 times out of 10, especially with the way the NFL is called today.

 

[biggunsbob]

sweet then we can talk about how we go hosed because our guy was tackled by a facemask but they only called it for 5 yards. The more types of penalties you have, the more excuses you give the fans of this team.

Hey but at least AR's ball only gets to the 5 yard line!!! Then we can watch as the Packer receiver breaks 10 tackles to get in.. All kidding aside I like having two different face-mask penalties.. 99 percent are easy to tell if its 5 or 15..

 

[grandy]

Like I said in the game thread, this all distracts the fans from the real reason the Lions lost.

 

[biggunsbob]

Both were playing the ball? Don't both play the ball every time?

He had his hand around his neck and wrestled him to the ground. That's a PI 9 times out of 10, especially with the way the NFL is called today.

Are you talking about the rollout pass before the facemask on the last series?
Or another play? Because if we are I disagree..
Didn't our end get held on AR's long run. It sure looked like a grab
to me..Or maybe it was another play when our end was grabbed LOL.
I mean 55 yards in flags for the packers compared to 105 yards or the lions..
You betchA NFL...LOL
The Packers had hardly any starting linemen playing.
NFL Protection at its best for some teams..
As the playoffs draw near watch the NFL mafia take care of its teams..

 

[dubbsco]

Yes, the pass to Abrederis. They showed a close-up replay, the dude had his arm around his neck. He wasn't playing the ball.

That is called all day, every day. Lions dodged a bullet there, regardless of how much Carey will go to the ends of the earth to defend his officials.

 

[biggunsbob]

Tony Dungy -
Lions have lost 2 games on bad calls at the end - if this were Green Bay, or another team other than the Lions, there would be outrage.

 

[biggunsbob]

Yes, the pass to Abrederis. They showed a close-up replay, the dude had his arm around his neck. He wasn't playing the ball.

That is called all day, every day. Lions dodged a bullet there, regardless of how much Carey will go to the ends of the earth to defend his officials.

Well he and Boomer E. disagree with you.. Seems so do some others.. it looked bad to me but i thought it was a good non-call just like Talyor's play should have been. A non call.
Again no way Detroit gets that call in Green bay. NFL protection..
Lions need some LOL..

 

[dubbsco]

This game isn't on the refs. The offense went into a total shell. They couldn't defend a hail mary, and they decided to reach for Rodgers's head went two players had him contained and he was dead in the water.

We also forget that there was a ton of time left in that Seattle game for them to come down and score assuming the Lions punch it in. Same with the Dallas game. If that flag was enforced as it should have been, there was still almost an entire quarter left.

 

[lucke]

This game isn't on the refs. The offense went into a total shell. They couldn't defend a hail mary, and they decided to reach for Rodgers's head went two players had him contained and he was dead in the water.

We also forget that there was a ton of time left in that Seattle game for them to come down and score assuming the Lions punch it in. Same with the Dallas game. If that flag was enforced as it should have been, there was still almost an entire quarter left.

You can't possibly be that dumb... If you think Taylor intentionally tried to rip AR's head of, you're an idiot. Taylor reached out to try and grab him and AR ducked to get under Taylor's arm, initiated contact, then sold the "grab" of the facemask.

 

[zyxt9]

Not directed at you, but is there a worse fan base than Detroit about officiating complaints? Here's an idea: Rodgers can't go anywhere, he can't throw it forward. There's no one within 20 yards of him, he was on an island with two Lions. Instead of reaching your hand for his head, tackle the guy.

Lions also dodged a massive bullet on 3rd down when our safety got his hand around Abrederis's neck. They could have been kicking a chip shot to win the game.

No offense taken. My issue is less with ruling on field and more with the NFL talking heads trying to claim it was a legit call when the evidence and rule book provide clear evidence it was not a penalty. All personal fouls in last 2 minutes should require automatic review by booth. Not that this would have been overturned listening to the league's comments, but by their rule book, it should have been. Game is done, I just despise the league foe their defending the call.

 

[tomdalton22]

I am offended that the Lions couldn't put the game away after being up 17-0 after the 1/2

That is the reason they lost the game!