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Chicks Born with Dicks and the Human Drama of Athletic Competition

Spartanmack said:
maybe the ref thought a heisman candidate should catch a ball that is in his hands even with some minor contact or maybe as the video shows, he didn't have a very good angle and never saw the "blatant" contact.
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Eddie Brown himself said he grabbed and tripped Howard because pass interference was better than a touchdown. That?s a call that can be made from any one of the 360 degrees of vantage.

Also, it was 1990, not 1991. Howard was not in the running, or even in consideration at this point of his career.
 
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byco42 said:
Eddie Brown himself said he grabbed and tripped Howard because pass interference was better than a touchdown. That?s a call that can be made from any one of the 360 degrees of vantage.

Also, it was 1990, not 1991. Howard was not in the running, or even in consideration at this point of his career.
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Howard should have caught the ball even though it was thrown slightly behind him and Brown touched his foot, blaming Brown is excuse making. As for the ref near the bottom of the screen - Brown's body may have blocked his view of the contact. Not sure if that's the guy who would make the call but its' not clear what he was able to see.

The year isn't really relevant - an average B1G receiver should make that catch, a future heisman winner should definitely make it.

Plus, as I said before, Howard was credited with a TD on a catch he was clearly out of bounds on earlier in the game - the refs get that one right and we're not even having this conversation.
 
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Spartanmack said:
Howard should have caught the ball even though it was thrown slightly behind him and Brown touched his foot, blaming Brown is excuse making. As for the ref near the bottom of the screen - Brown's body may have blocked his view of the contact. Not sure if that's the guy who would make the call but its' not clear what he was able to see.

The year isn't really relevant - an average B1G receiver should make that catch, a future heisman winner should definitely make it.

Plus, as I said before, Howard was credited with a TD on a catch he was clearly out of bounds on earlier in the game - the refs get that one right and we're not even having this conversation.
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I don?t don?t remember the play, but nobody know that.

We know nothing of hypotheticals and parallel alternative outcomes.

Let?s say Howard was called out of bounds.

Who knows what would have happened after that?

No one.

Who can say the very next play wouldn?t have resulted in a Michigan touchdown that was undisputed?

No one.

No one can with certainty know we wouldn?t be having this conversation if that play were called differently.

EDIT: Or the next play could have resulted in a Sparty pick six, and the end of the game being much less dramatic.

But events leading to the end of the game would have been different in either case.
 
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Spartanmack said:
Howard should have caught the ball even though it was thrown slightly behind him and Brown touched his foot, blaming Brown is excuse making. As for the ref near the bottom of the screen - Brown's body may have blocked his view of the contact. Not sure if that's the guy who would make the call but its' not clear what he was able to see.
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No one is ?blaming? Brown. Brown?s body, prone on the turf, blocked his extended arm hooking Howard?s foot? That ref said ?he fell down?. Well, DUH ? after he was tripped.

The year isn't really relevant - an average B1G receiver should make that catch, a future heisman winner should definitely make it.
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Speculation. I think that it?s impressive that Howard got his hands on the ball at all.

Plus, as I said before, Howard was credited with a TD on a catch he was clearly out of bounds on earlier in the game - the refs get that one right and we're not even having this conversation.
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You are correct, we?re not having this conversation, but not because State would have won 28-21. It?s because an entirely different course of events would have occurred.
 
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byco42 said:
No one is ?blaming? Brown. Brown?s body, prone on the turf, blocked his extended arm hooking Howard?s foot? That ref said ?he fell down?. Well, DUH ? after he was tripped.
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It sounds like people are blaming Brown, or at least blaming the ref for not blaming brown.

byco42 said:
Speculation. I think that it?s impressive that Howard got his hands on the ball at all.
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It's speculative to say an average receiver "would" make the catch. That catch should have been made - the ball was thrown right at him, it hit him in the chest and hands - that's not speculation. Even with him falling down, it's a routine catch.

byco42 said:
You are correct, we?re not having this conversation, but not because State would have won 28-21. It?s because an entirely different course of events would have occurred.
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It would have been different, no doubt but how much different depends on the circumstances - down and distance, point in the game, etc.
 
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This issue is such an obvious political football, that it's amusing the politics expert & smartest guy on the board, spends so much time chasing it like a trained puppy.

How big of a problem is it? I suppose that depends on your perspective... this Reuters article notes the numbers of people diagnosed with "gender dysphoria" jumped in 2021, from 15K to 42K. But the # of kids actually on puberty blockers just barely passed 1,000 in a year, and the number of people actually getting gender reassignment surgeries is like MAYBE a couple hundred/year.

Contrast these numbers with the "nothingburger" the Right insisted COVID was, and it makes you wonder if there's ANY common sense left in some people...
 
michchamp said:
This issue is such an obvious political football, that it's amusing the politics expert & smartest guy on the board, spends so much time chasing it like a trained puppy.

How big of a problem is it? I suppose that depends on your perspective... this Reuters article notes the numbers of people diagnosed with "gender dysphoria" jumped in 2021, from 15K to 42K. But the # of kids actually on puberty blockers just barely passed 1,000 in a year, and the number of people actually getting gender reassignment surgeries is like MAYBE a couple hundred/year.

Contrast these numbers with the "nothingburger" the Right insisted COVID was, and it makes you wonder if there's ANY common sense left in some people...
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You make a strawman post like this and call into question other people's lack of common sense. Classic. Definitely par for the course for you.

What does the number of people on puberty blockers have to do with men competing in women's sports? And 1,000 kids on irreversible puberty blockers is definitely 1,000 too many particularly given that increase in gender dysphoria is most likely driven by social contagion. Same for gender reassignment surgery for minors. Especially when you consider the fact that the overwhelming majority of kids suffering gender dysphoria end up identifying as the sex they were assigned at birth and the fact that gender affirming care (puberty blockers, gender reassignment surgery, etc) doesn't bring down rates of suicide. It's incomprehensible that adults would allow this to happen to children and that you would defend it.

But somehow you think you win because informed adults don't agree with the obviously failed corona virus measures you demand everyone else follow. It still shocks me to see how dumb you can be and what you think passes for logic.
 
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michchamp said:
Well we can disagree on some things, but I definitely don't think I "won" because I posted something smart on this message board. We're all losers here.
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I agree you didn't post something smart on this message board. That's progress - congratulations. You acknowledging that gives me hope that maybe someday you will. Not much hope, but more than I had a minute ago.
 
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When it comes to the question of whether or not men have a biological advantage over women in sports, NPR says we just don't know, because there isn't enough scientific research. Human rights watch argues the recent decision by the World Athletics Council to ban biological male athletes from competing against women "was based on flawed evidence."

Exactly which flawed evidence would that be? Possibly the fact that men's world records are higher/faster/longer/heavier in literally everything? The fact that the women's world record in equivalent sports would barely register against men? The fact that a group of 15 year old boys from a Dallas suburb cleaned the floor with the best women's soccer team in the world? The fact that men who don't make the top 100 in their sport become women and absolutely dominate? The fact that there probably 100s of high school boys that have run a faster 100 meters than the fastest woman in the world. The evidence is clearly riddled with flaws. Hopefully, science will clear up these misconceptions. Good job NPR!
 
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Spartanmack said:
Detroit Lions GM endorses violence against trans people putting their lives in danger with nazi-esque message on his sweatshirt.
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Of course he is a BIPOC who according to MC would probably be working at a fast food joint or selling drugs if he didn?t luck out and land an NFL GM position, so it?s entirely possible that he was forced to wear the shirt by the nazi sympathizer owners of the franchise he works for?
 
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