Clinton's grip on the DNC

[Gulo Blue]

I mean it's one thing to stick up for your principles when it comes at your own expense. But if you believe it would come at the expense of the nation? That's different.

 

[Spartanmack]

It would have been shocking if he done what he could to take out Hillary once it was down to her and Trump. Crazy.

Crazy is not out of the realm of possibilities when it comes to Sanders. The guy is nuts. But this isn't a real argument. His choice wasn't between endorsing Hillary or taking her out. If he's a principled politician who is fed up with the corruption and money in politics, he can stand by his principles and not endorse a thoroughly corrupt candidate, particularly one who rigged the system against him. Not endorsing Hillary isn't the same as endorsing Trump. And she lost anyway, so clearly any argument that he had to choose a side doesn't really hold up.

 

[Spartanmack]

I mean it's one thing to stick up for your principles when it comes at your own expense. But if you believe it would come at the expense of the nation? That's different.

ah, sacrifice for the greater good - so in effect, you're saying he was sticking to his principles as a good socialist...

 

[Gulo Blue]

ah, sacrifice for the greater good - so in effect, you're saying he was sticking to his principles as a good socialist...

As a good American.

 

[tinselwolverine]

So basically Bernie is the liberal version of conservatives that threw all of their 'deeply held beliefs' out the window and voted for Trump. "Cucks" everywhere I suppose.

There were a few Republicans who announced they would neither endorse nor vote for Trump, Kasich I guess stands out as the most prominent. He wrote an op/ed of non-endorsement, didn't endorse anyone and wrote in John McCain.

 

[Spartanmack]

So basically Bernie is the liberal version of conservatives that threw all of their 'deeply held beliefs' out the window and voted for Trump. "Cucks" everywhere I suppose.

There were a few Republicans who announced they would neither endorse nor vote for Trump, Kasich I guess stands out as the most prominent. He wrote an op/ed of non-endorsement, didn't endorse anyone and wrote in John McCain.

slight difference between casting an anonymous vote for your party's candidate and Bernie selling out to his opponent who stole the nomination from him in one of the biggest scandals since Watergate.

 

[Spartanmack]

As a good American.

how does being a sellout make one a good American? if you're trying to say endorsing a corrupt-to-the core politician who stole the primaries from you is patriotic, that's a pretty big whiff. even if Sanders was actually a Democrat, I'd say that's pretty weak.

 

[tinselwolverine]

slight difference between casting an anonymous vote for your party's candidate and Bernie selling out to his opponent who stole the nomination from him in one of the biggest scandals since Watergate.

Here's the thing - these shenigans were likely the worst ever, but there have often been shenigans and losing candidates have fallen in line before.

It's widely known that Frank Sinatra went to his pal Momo Giancana, and the West Virginia 1960 Democrat primary was rigged for Kennedy against Humphrey; Humphrey fell in line and went on to become the VP shortly after Kennedy was assassinated and then was nominated by the Democrats in 1960.

There were reports of shit going on in the Michigan and California Republican primaries in favor of George Bush versus McCain in 2000, yet McCain fell in line and was a pretty stalwart supporter of Bush (whom it's rumored he really hated) during the general election and during Bush's presidency.

In 2008, McCain was nominated by the Republicans.

These are the kind of most prominent things that come to mind.

We really don't know what deal Sanders made with Clinton per legislative agenda, assuming Clinton would have gone on to win...and of course, she didn't win, so...who's gonna know?

Also, when Debbie Wasserman Schulz resigned back when she did...who DIDN'T know that there had been a whole lot of shit going on stacking the deck against Bernie?

On this board, we were all talking about that shit months before that shit hit the fan, so to speak.

I don't really know that Donna Brazille is suddenly saying anything everybody doesn't already know; it's kind of akin O.J. Simpson's brilliant and ground breaking If I Did It-well no shit Sherlock, it's only exactly what you really and actually did, and exactly the case the LAPD and the LA County Prosecutor's Office brought against you.

 

[Michchamp]

I'll say he fell in line!

McCain's claim to be a "maverick" is belied by the fact that he's voted with Bush AND now Trump, something like 95% of the time.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I'll say he fell in line!

McCain's claim to be a "maverick" is belied by the fact that he's voted with Bush AND now Trump, something like 95% of the time.

I think he's gone against congressional party leadership more so than he has a Republican president. He co-sponsored that campaign finance reform legislation that Republicans tended not to love, I think he co-sponsored some environmental legislation that party leadership wasn't fond of, and he sponsored Bush's amnesty bill that ended up being shot down by Bush's and McCain's own party in the Congress before it could ever get to President Bush's desk.

Those are just a few off the top of my head.

 

[Spartanmack]

Here's the thing - these shenigans were likely the worst ever, but there have often been shenigans and losing candidates have fallen in line before.

It's widely known that Frank Sinatra went to his pal Momo Giancana, and the West Virginia 1960 Democrat primary was rigged for Kennedy against Humphrey; Humphrey fell in line and went on to become the VP shortly after Kennedy was assassinated and then was nominated by the Democrats in 1960.

There were reports of shit going on in the Michigan and California Republican primaries in favor of George Bush versus McCain in 2000, yet McCain fell in line and was a pretty stalwart supporter of Bush (whom it's rumored he really hated) during the general election and during Bush's presidency.

In 2008, McCain was nominated by the Republicans.

These are the kind of most prominent things that come to mind.

We really don't know what deal Sanders made with Clinton per legislative agenda, assuming Clinton would have gone on to win...and of course, she didn't win, so...who's gonna know?

Also, when Debbie Wasserman Schulz resigned back when she did...who DIDN'T know that there had been a whole lot of shit going on stacking the deck against Bernie?

On this board, we were all talking about that shit months before that shit hit the fan, so to speak.

I don't really know that Donna Brazille is suddenly saying anything everybody doesn't already know; it's kind of akin O.J. Simpson's brilliant and ground breaking If I Did It-well no shit Sherlock, it's only exactly what you really and actually did, and exactly the case the LAPD and the LA County Prosecutor's Office brought against you.

that's the point - Sanders isn't any different than other career politicians.

 

[tinselwolverine]

that's the point - Sanders isn't any different than other career politicians.

Not much, I guess.

Anyway, my guy was Kasich, as I'm pretty sure everybody has known all along.

And he refused to endorse nor vote for Trump.

Or course, he neither endorsed nor voted for the Clinton as well.

 

[Michchamp]

Sanders is a lot different from other politicians, unless you don't think is refusal to take big bucks from big money donors and super PACs is meaningful. I do.

oh, but he has a second house, and it's on a lake so...

 

[tinselwolverine]

Sanders is a lot different from other politicians, unless you don't think is refusal to take big bucks from big money donors and super PACs is meaningful. I do.

oh, but he has a second house, and it's on a lake so...

Is it in Vermont?

I'm pretty sure property is relatively inexpensive there.

 

[Michchamp]

Is it in Vermont?

I'm pretty sure property is relatively inexpensive there.

Never mind that!

He wants to like tax billionaires more and provide universal health care and college, but he has a SECOND HOUSE, and it's ON A LAKE!! So hypocritical... totally invalidates everything he says and does.