college educated = liberal?

[tinselwolverine]

My principles are only very remotely connected to GWB's. GWB is not a conservative.

You telling someone left of center that GWB is not a conservative is like me telling you Obama is not a liberal.

You could if you want to and believe that, MI Thumb - MichChamp regularly refer to Obama as a moderate conservative, and not a liberal at all, to anybody to whom he's responding, whether that poster is liberal, conservative, moderate or whatever.

 

[Thumb]

I don't think Obama is very liberal, but the right wingers think he is. He's been called a socialist more time than I can count.

I would put Obama just left of center myself.

 

[Michchamp]

I don't think Obama is very liberal, but the right wingers think he is. He's been called a socialist more time than I can count.

I would put Obama just left of center myself.

he's not very liberal. the fact that Conservatives think he is shows how smart they are.

 

[KAWDUP]

You have a mis-guided belief about liberal and conservative. Just like all of your overblown generalities. You won't catch me placing Obama on that scale - or at least not very often. I think he does like certain tenets of socialism, just as you do. I do not equate liberalism directly with socialism. Only someone who doesn't understand them would do that. I rail more against the progressives than any other political bunch in America. GW was a progressive BTW.

I am not a libertarian either, although I like some of their ideas. What I am against is anything that takes more of my money only to waste it.

. . . and it doesn't matter to me which side that wastage comes from.

I am always for less intrustion in what I personally want to do, and less intrusion into groups I identify with, but me arguing against it does not make or break a candidate in my opinion.

Lastly, I do not decide politically how I will vote based on my opinion of a moral issue. I just don't. I feel bad for those that feel they must. That alone is one of the biggest reasons for the great divide that this country finds itself in.

You can't look at most people (which does not include the real fanatics) and make a final judgement on where they actual sit on that Conservative-Liberal scale without knowing more about why they believe something. Sorry, but you just can't. I believe there are enough posts made by many here to start placing them on that scale, but c'mon. none of us knows how each of us will come down on any particualar issue. You might have a good idea, but you actually KNOW nothing.

 

[mhughes0021]

Go to a socialist country then come back and tell me its anything like the USA or BO's beliefs and ill then KNOW how much of a fucking tool you are.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Go to a socialist country then come back and tell me its anything like the USA or BO's beliefs and ill then KNOW how much of a fucking tool you are.

Like, Canada, eh?

 

[KAWDUP]

Go to a socialist country then come back and tell me its anything like the USA or BO's beliefs and ill then KNOW how much of a fucking tool you are.

I install baggage handling systems at airports all over the world. China, France, Canada, Dubai, India . . . and others (many of which have strong socialist tendencies). Sometimes as long as 6 months, so I guess I would say, I have been to many, and probably understand Socialism better than you.

I NEVER once compared any of them to the US, so go fuck yourself. Do you know every tenet of socialism? I'll stack my knowledge of them against yours any fucking time you want asshole.

You know nothing about what I do or do not know.

Just so you realize how fucking stupid your comment actually was. I NEVER called Obama a socialist, not even once.

Read it again, then come back and tell how I slandered him.

E. g.
I am not saying anything about the merits of nationalized health care (so fuck off again if you think I am), but that sure would be one tenet that he believes in.

. . . and do you think I give a flying fuck whether you think I'm a tool or not. LOL.

Go away, you suck at this.

 

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[KAWDUP]

Says you!! :*)

My wife heard me laughing so hard, so she came over to see and then wondered why I was typing so furiously. She had a good chuckle at the moron suggesting I go learn more about socialism too. She asked why I was swearing so much, since I rarely if ever swear at home, and I told her it was expected because we are comparing e-penis's. She is still laughing.

 

[mhughes0021]

Go to a socialist country then come back and tell me its anything like the USA or BO's beliefs and ill then KNOW how much of a fucking tool you are.

I install baggage handling systems at airports all over the world. China, France, Canada, Dubai, India . . . and others (many of which have strong socialist tendencies). Sometimes as long as 6 months, so I guess I would say, I have been to many, and probably understand Socialism better than you.

I NEVER once compared any of them to the US, so go fuck yourself. Do you know every tenet of socialism? I'll stack my knowledge of them against yours any fucking time you want asshole.

You know nothing about what I do or do not know.

Just so you realize how fucking stupid your comment actually was. I NEVER called Obama a socialist, not even once.

Read it again, then come back and tell how I slandered him.

E. g.
I am not saying anything about the merits of nationalized health care (so fuck off again if you think I am), but that sure would be one tenet that he believes in.

. . . and do you think I give a flying fuck whether you think I'm a tool or not. LOL.

Go away, you suck at this.

Actually you did fuckstick (see i can use bad language too bitch). Youre just like every other anti obama faggot who starts comparing him to a socialist and then you start getting your panties in a bunch when someone calls you out on it cause its fucking retarded.

If you had any knowledge of the socialist places you visit so frequently then you wouldnt even bring them up in the same sentence as Barrack Obama. All i simply said is if YOU HAD KNOWLEDGE of those places (which you claim you do but im starting to think all you know is how to install baggage claims in those countries) and you still compared them to the US as it stands today... than you would be a tool. Its future tense dumbass....and you went off the handle to defend yourself anyways. Were you a little twerp that got picked on as a kid or something?? take a fucking chill pill...go hate fuck your wife or something....and relax. If you dont relax then do us all a favor and feel free to take another 6 month trip....and ask them to send you somewhere without internet.

Ps....theres more proof that Santorum is a fascist than Obama is a socialist. If im picking one....ill go socialist every time.

 

[redandguilty]

TinselWolverine[/color]]

Go to a socialist country then come back and tell me its anything like the USA or BO's beliefs and ill then KNOW how much of a fucking tool you are.

Like, Canada, eh?

So I know a guy that got stuff made in Cuba. He lost an arm in Iraq and has been developing new prosthetic technology since he got back. The history of arm prosthetics is really sad. We have a war. We fund a new wave of research. Companies develop and patent new technologies while they figure out there's not enough of a market to make money with the state of the art. Then eventually, the research funding runs out and nothing changes except a bunch of ideas get patented and can't be used even if there was someone that wanted to. As a result, the most useful prosthetic out there is a 100 year old split hook design. The only update there's been is the addition of a cigarette notch.

There was another hook designed in the 20's or 30's that might be a step up from the split hook. It's clearly better for some tasks. My fried had that and a couple other ideas that he wanted to start building just so that some real progress would happen that would impact at least a few people. He works on crazy high-tech stuff too, but because of the history of prosthetics, he thought it would be a good idea to split his time between future tech and getting something to help people right now.

Company after company turned him down. There is so little money to be made in arm prosthetics and so much skepticism over patent rights that nobody would take the jump to start making something they had not designed themselves. Finally, my friend (a Marine) was put in contact with an organization that sent used prosthetics to Cuba. (Lots of people work with machetes there, have machetes in their hands when they get into arguments and fights, and lose limbs.) They took him over there, and after talking to the right government officials he was given a book listing the capabilities of all the machine shops in Cuba. He had to fill out some forms and attach drawings specifying what would be made where, and then place the order.

It's crazy, these things couldn't get made in a capitalist system, they couldn't be developed in a socialist system, but at the intersection of the two systems (and with some charity), they could get made.

 

[byco42]

TinselWolverine[/color]]

Just being Constitutionally correct would be a good start. Religious affiliation has no bearing on that.

OK.

There are those who would say that we haven't a constitutionally correct president then, for a few generations.

Easily the case. All the way back to Woodrow Wilson. His own words in print:

"The makers of the Constitution constructed the federal government upon a theory of checks and balances which was meant to limit the operation of each part and allow to no single part or organ of it a dominating force; but no government can be successfully conducted upon so mechanical a theory."

Read the whole thing in Wilson's "I got it all figured out" tone.

http://www.hillsdale.edu/images/userImages/whadra/Page_6744/CR.IX.5.pdf

 

[tinselwolverine]

TinselWolverine[/color]]

OK.

There are those who would say that we haven't a constitutionally correct president then, for a few generations.

Easily the case. All the way back to Woodrow Wilson. His own words in print:

"The makers of the Constitution constructed the federal government upon a theory of checks and balances which was meant to limit the operation of each part and allow to no single part or organ of it a dominating force; but no government can be successfully conducted upon so mechanical a theory."

Read the whole thing in Wilson's "I got it all figured out" tone.

http://www.hillsdale.edu/images/userImages/whadra/Page_6744/CR.IX.5.pdf

Didn't Wilson come to the presiidency straight out of academia?

We all whose meddlesome fingers has been into that...

 

[Michchamp]

Huh?

I do think it's funny that most parents in the U.S. - regardless of their political persuasion - want their kids to go to college. I guess the higher salary you command with a college degree outweighs the benefits from staying true to your conservative principles, after factoring in the risk you'll come out "a liberal" despite that higher salary?

To be fair to the concept of "higher education" there are a handful of "Conservative Approved" colleges out there: Hillsdale, Bob Jones U, Oral Roberts, etc. that Santorum failed to mention.

Although - call me crazy - but I doubt any conservative who's kid was actually admitted to the University of Michigan, or an Ivy, or a Tech, would still push them to go to one of those dumps...

 

[Michchamp]

another irksome thing is the way the modern Conservative movement has successfully demonized education.

A person raised Conservative, who, when presented with contrary views in college (or wherever) changes their political persuasion is therefore "brainwashed" by definition...

however, a person raised Conservative who never strays from those views is not?

So... the end result is that you go to school and learn concepts like evolution, and realize the Conservative orthodoxy you were taught regarding creationism, or "intelligent design" has a few gaping logical inconsistencies in it. And probing these further, you decide it's not for you... oops... you just brainwashed yourself.

 

[deathroh]

[quote="TinselWolverine":xhmnydh2]

Like, Canada, eh?

So I know a guy that got stuff made in Cuba. He lost an arm in Iraq and has been developing new prosthetic technology since he got back. The history of arm prosthetics is really sad. We have a war. We fund a new wave of research. Companies develop and patent new technologies while they figure out there's not enough of a market to make money with the state of the art. Then eventually, the research funding runs out and nothing changes except a bunch of ideas get patented and can't be used even if there was someone that wanted to. As a result, the most useful prosthetic out there is a 100 year old split hook design. The only update there's been is the addition of a cigarette notch.

There was another hook designed in the 20's or 30's that might be a step up from the split hook. It's clearly better for some tasks. My fried had that and a couple other ideas that he wanted to start building just so that some real progress would happen that would impact at least a few people. He works on crazy high-tech stuff too, but because of the history of prosthetics, he thought it would be a good idea to split his time between future tech and getting something to help people right now.

Company after company turned him down. There is so little money to be made in arm prosthetics and so much skepticism over patent rights that nobody would take the jump to start making something they had not designed themselves. Finally, my friend (a Marine) was put in contact with an organization that sent used prosthetics to Cuba. (Lots of people work with machetes there, have machetes in their hands when they get into arguments and fights, and lose limbs.) They took him over there, and after talking to the right government officials he was given a book listing the capabilities of all the machine shops in Cuba. He had to fill out some forms and attach drawings specifying what would be made where, and then place the order.

It's crazy, these things couldn't get made in a capitalist system, they couldn't be developed in a socialist system, but at the intersection of the two systems (and with some charity), they could get made.[/quote:xhmnydh2]

Cool story bro. For real. Has he begun manufacturing, or did this just come about?

 

[mhughes0021]

Its all part of their master plan. They are ruled by big business and big business' want dumb people that arent worth much to work for them so they can pay them less and get bigger margins. Big margins in this day in age arent good enough....you have to always have a bigger margin then the year before. So lets fire all the educated people that have been here 20 years and have high salaries and bring in all the dumb kids that are desperate for a job and will work for scraps. Pooof my margin is better than last year and im now selling a POS product....its the american way.

 

[redandguilty]

So I know a guy that got stuff made in Cuba. He lost an arm in Iraq and has been developing new prosthetic technology since he got back. The history of arm prosthetics is really sad. We have a war. We fund a new wave of research. Companies develop and patent new technologies while they figure out there's not enough of a market to make money with the state of the art. Then eventually, the research funding runs out and nothing changes except a bunch of ideas get patented and can't be used even if there was someone that wanted to. As a result, the most useful prosthetic out there is a 100 year old split hook design. The only update there's been is the addition of a cigarette notch.

There was another hook designed in the 20's or 30's that might be a step up from the split hook. It's clearly better for some tasks. My fried had that and a couple other ideas that he wanted to start building just so that some real progress would happen that would impact at least a few people. He works on crazy high-tech stuff too, but because of the history of prosthetics, he thought it would be a good idea to split his time between future tech and getting something to help people right now.

Company after company turned him down. There is so little money to be made in arm prosthetics and so much skepticism over patent rights that nobody would take the jump to start making something they had not designed themselves. Finally, my friend (a Marine) was put in contact with an organization that sent used prosthetics to Cuba. (Lots of people work with machetes there, have machetes in their hands when they get into arguments and fights, and lose limbs.) They took him over there, and after talking to the right government officials he was given a book listing the capabilities of all the machine shops in Cuba. He had to fill out some forms and attach drawings specifying what would be made where, and then place the order.

It's crazy, these things couldn't get made in a capitalist system, they couldn't be developed in a socialist system, but at the intersection of the two systems (and with some charity), they could get made.

Cool story bro. For real. Has he begun manufacturing, or did this just come about?

This was probably 3 or 4 years ago.

 

[deathroh]

So has he had much success?

 

[redandguilty]

So has he had much success?

I just emailed him asking. I saw pictures of two guys smiling with their new arms back then, but that was 1-off prototype stuff. I don't know that the mass production actually happened.