Coronainsanity

[Gulo Blue]

So vaccine mandates arguments are going to the SC today. Not knowing what laws apply, my gut says they'll be struck down. The timing is unfortunate. It sees like how much of an emergency this is should matter, and omicron is hopefully lessening the emergency - in a few months it could be crystal clear, but it's not yet.

 

[tigermud]

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https://www.supremecourt.gov/

 

[Michchamp]

So vaccine mandates arguments are going to the SC today. Not knowing what laws apply, my gut says they'll be struck down. The timing is unfortunate. It sees like how much of an emergency this is should matter, and omicron is hopefully lessening the emergency - in a few months it could be crystal clear, but it's not yet.

I could see them failing; but the ruling will be handed down in a such a way that if a private actor, such as a corporation, wanted to force their employees or customers to do something, that right will be left intact.

I saw a cynical tweet from a healthcare worker that their main takeaway from this disaster is that when another pandemic hits, we're not even going to TRY to stop it from spreading.

And certainly we've gutted our public health offices and powers so thoroughly that we can't expect ANYTHING from them. So we better hope there's an easily-monetizable cure that a drug company like Pfizer or Johnson and Johnson can get to everyone rapidly at a relatively low cost, even despite
a non-functioning supply chain, or we're screwed.

Even they might not have the capacity to deliver anything beyond an app you download. Hopefully the next pandemic can be cured by an app.

 

[tigermud]

based on what I'm hearing thus far my guess is they won't grant a stay as the testing requirement wouldn't go into effect until Feb 9th, this will move quickly through the courts between now and then.

 

[Spartanmack]

I thought it was the anti-vaxxer's who got their misinformation from Twitter and Facebook. Turns out the anti-science, billionaire bootlickers demanding everyone get vaccinated are being misinformed by social media (and the FDA).

 

[Spartanmack]

I could see them failing; but the ruling will be handed down in a such a way that if a private actor, such as a corporation, wanted to force their employees or customers to do something, that right will be left intact.

I saw a cynical tweet from a healthcare worker that their main takeaway from this disaster is that when another pandemic hits, we're not even going to TRY to stop it from spreading.

And certainly we've gutted our public health offices and powers so thoroughly that we can't expect ANYTHING from them. So we better hope there's an easily-monetizable cure that a drug company like Pfizer or Johnson and Johnson can get to everyone rapidly at a relatively low cost, even despite
a non-functioning supply chain, or we're screwed.

Even they might not have the capacity to deliver anything beyond an app you download. Hopefully the next pandemic can be cured by an app.

got any evidence for this? We certainly haven't gutted them enough to prevent them from exercising monopoly power over early treatments, vaccines and PPE. And by the way, this trial is all about government overreach stemming from public health offices advising the White House on virtually everything to do with the pandemic - saying we can't expect ANYTHING from them doesn't really stand up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny.

 

[mhughes0021]

got any evidence for this? We certainly haven't gutted them enough to prevent them from exercising monopoly power over early treatments, vaccines and PPE. And by the way, this trial is all about government overreach stemming from public health offices advising the White House on virtually everything to do with the pandemic - saying we can't expect ANYTHING from them doesn't really stand up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny.

not sure if hospitals were what you were referring to but its pretty widely known that hospital staff was cut down drastically post covid because no one was going to the hospital anymore except for covid.

yesterdays news had 800 henry ford hospital workers come down with covid. So an already depleted workforce will be more depleted....drastically. I can imagine this will be the same for most of the country once the influx of patients come in.

Nurses that stuck thu the first couple of waves...i give them props. not so sure how many more waves they continue to go thru.

The healthcare system will be in shambles. Makes you wonder what guys like gates spent money on all these years to get ready for this. Hes been saying it for a decade. Hes supposedly put all this money into prevention. yet here we are....wave 1 hits and we dont even have masks or ventillators. Wave 4 and not much has changed...except less workers to help those in need.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Makes you wonder what guys like gates spent money on all these years to get ready for this. Hes been saying it for a decade. Hes supposedly put all this money into prevention.

In the early part of this thread, when I was citing estimates of how things would play out (which ended up being closer than I would have guessed) that was Gates's money that funded the group doing the estimate.

...which obviously proves he caused it and it all unfolded according to his plan.

 

[tigermud]

LOL

https://twitter.com/huwhitememes/status/1478983048091873280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1478983048091873280%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Fposts%2Fwatch-angry-dad-decimates-school-board-for-poisoning-childrens-minds-with-face-masks-this-is-a-city-of-men-not-betas%2F

 

[Michchamp]

In the early part of this thread, when I was citing estimates of how things would play out (which ended up being closer than I would have guessed) that was Gates's money that funded the group doing the estimate.

...which obviously proves he caused it and it all unfolded according to his plan.

hey, you ended with a straw man argument.

his foundation has done other bad things, related to covid. i recall quite a bit of press about them pressuring governments NOT to force vaccine makers to waive patents, so they could be more widely distributed around the world.

 

[tomdalton22]

LOL

https://twitter.com/huwhitememes/status/1478983048091873280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1478983048091873280%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Fposts%2Fwatch-angry-dad-decimates-school-board-for-poisoning-childrens-minds-with-face-masks-this-is-a-city-of-men-not-betas%2F

what a D-bag

 

[Gulo Blue]

hey, you ended with a straw man argument.

his foundation has done other bad things, related to covid. i recall quite a bit of press about them pressuring governments NOT to force vaccine makers to waive patents, so they could be more widely distributed around the world.

I don't feel like I understand the global dynamics enough on that one. I'm still hoping that vaccine development is being heavily invested in (which might happen less with patent waivers). I think Baylor has a more traditional vaccine in the works they are committed to distributing the rights to and Japan is supposed to be working on a one and done all variants vaccine. I think the current vaccine makers offered temporary waivers, which weren't good enough because the terms weren't spelled out precisely enough - but some kind of temporary waiver could have been better than what we ended up doing (effectively nothing)

 

[tigermud]

This BS is over!

Citing experts at the University of Washington, the MailOnline reports that Omicron?s estimated fatality rate could make it less deadly than the seasonal flu.

?No, don?t say that!? the technocrats cry in unison.

?Some experts have always maintained that the coronavirus would eventually morph into a seasonal cold-like virus as the world develops immunity through vaccines and natural infection,? reports the news outlet. ?But the emergence of the highly-mutated Omicron variant appears to have sped the process up.?


Researchers at Washington University now modeling Omicron?s impact say they expect it to kill 99 per cent fewer people than Delta.

This means the variant?s infection-fatality rate (IFR) stands at around 0.07 per cent, meaning only one in 1,430 people will die after becoming ill with Omicron.

In comparison, flu?s IFR sits between 0.01 and 0.05 per cent.

One former government advisor suggested that Omicron?s mildness renders draconian lockdown restrictions absurd.

?We should be asking whether we are justified in having any measures we would not bring for a bad flu season,? said Professor Robert Dingwall.

?If we would not have brought in the measures in November 2019, why are we doing it now? What?s the specific justification for doing it?? he asked.

?If the severity of Covid infection is falling away to the point that it is comparable with flu then we really shouldn?t have exceptional levels of intervention.?

As Will Jones writes today, despite record numbers of cases in the UK over the Christmas period, COVID ICU occupancy is less than a quarter of its peak last January.

?Whether due to greater population immunity, a milder strain, or better treatments, this is obviously very welcome,? writes Jones.

?It is also confirmation that the pandemic is well and truly over ? we are basically now expending vast resources tracking the spread of a cold ? and it is time for the Government to acknowledge this fact, lift all restrictions, end all emergency powers, and bring the state of emergency to an end.?

Omicron?s total failure to cause anywhere near the devastation predicted by SAGE government advisors once again proves that their alarmist nonsense should no longer be respected.

The likes of Professor Neil Ferguson said that without further restrictions, Omicron would claim 3-5,000 lives a day at its peak.

In reality, the current 7 day average for total COVID-19 deaths in the UK (almost all of which aren?t even Omicron due to its mildness) stands at 160.

They got it spectacularly wrong yet again.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/report-omicron-could-end-up-being-less-deadly-than-seasonal-flu/

 

[tigermud]

Interesting

https://banned.video/watch?id=61d770f98a27e35ca69d71f8

 

[Spartanmack]

not sure if hospitals were what you were referring to but its pretty widely known that hospital staff was cut down drastically post covid because no one was going to the hospital anymore except for covid.

yesterdays news had 800 henry ford hospital workers come down with covid. So an already depleted workforce will be more depleted....drastically. I can imagine this will be the same for most of the country once the influx of patients come in.

Nurses that stuck thu the first couple of waves...i give them props. not so sure how many more waves they continue to go thru.

The healthcare system will be in shambles. Makes you wonder what guys like gates spent money on all these years to get ready for this. Hes been saying it for a decade. Hes supposedly put all this money into prevention. yet here we are....wave 1 hits and we dont even have masks or ventillators. Wave 4 and not much has changed...except less workers to help those in need.

no, I was referring to the text I bolded which referenced gutting Public Health offices. The examples you cited may be fallout from bad policy at the public and private level but it has nothing to do with the question I asked or the unsupported claim made.

Didn't Gates spend most of his money running dangerous vaccine experiments on poor sub-Saharan African that ended up harming loads of children - oh, and pushing population control nonsense?

 

[Spartanmack]

This BS is over!

Citing experts at the University of Washington, the MailOnline reports that Omicron?s estimated fatality rate could make it less deadly than the seasonal flu.

?No, don?t say that!? the technocrats cry in unison.

?Some experts have always maintained that the coronavirus would eventually morph into a seasonal cold-like virus as the world develops immunity through vaccines and natural infection,? reports the news outlet. ?But the emergence of the highly-mutated Omicron variant appears to have sped the process up.?


Researchers at Washington University now modeling Omicron?s impact say they expect it to kill 99 per cent fewer people than Delta.

This means the variant?s infection-fatality rate (IFR) stands at around 0.07 per cent, meaning only one in 1,430 people will die after becoming ill with Omicron.

In comparison, flu?s IFR sits between 0.01 and 0.05 per cent.

One former government advisor suggested that Omicron?s mildness renders draconian lockdown restrictions absurd.

?We should be asking whether we are justified in having any measures we would not bring for a bad flu season,? said Professor Robert Dingwall.

?If we would not have brought in the measures in November 2019, why are we doing it now? What?s the specific justification for doing it?? he asked.

?If the severity of Covid infection is falling away to the point that it is comparable with flu then we really shouldn?t have exceptional levels of intervention.?

As Will Jones writes today, despite record numbers of cases in the UK over the Christmas period, COVID ICU occupancy is less than a quarter of its peak last January.

?Whether due to greater population immunity, a milder strain, or better treatments, this is obviously very welcome,? writes Jones.

?It is also confirmation that the pandemic is well and truly over ? we are basically now expending vast resources tracking the spread of a cold ? and it is time for the Government to acknowledge this fact, lift all restrictions, end all emergency powers, and bring the state of emergency to an end.?

Omicron?s total failure to cause anywhere near the devastation predicted by SAGE government advisors once again proves that their alarmist nonsense should no longer be respected.

The likes of Professor Neil Ferguson said that without further restrictions, Omicron would claim 3-5,000 lives a day at its peak.

In reality, the current 7 day average for total COVID-19 deaths in the UK (almost all of which aren?t even Omicron due to its mildness) stands at 160.

They got it spectacularly wrong yet again.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/report-omicron-could-end-up-being-less-deadly-than-seasonal-flu/

it's not over yet - commies and socialists on the Supreme Court are trying to make this case about virus rather than the law and accomplishing it by telling egregious lies about the serious impact of the virus on children and claiming there are over 100,000 kids in the US currently on ventilators. Shameful.

 

[tigermud]

it's not over yet - commies and socialists on the Supreme Court are trying to make this case about virus rather than the law and accomplishing it by telling egregious lies about the serious impact of the virus on children and claiming there are over 100,000 kids in the US currently on ventilators. Shameful.

After listing to them all today, zero doubt the two liberal female justices are doing just that but...

Expecting 6-3 would love 7-2..5-4 Wouldn?t be too shocking but hoping for the best the alternative is unthinkable

 

[Michchamp]

good thing this board has such top notch legal scholars all over this one!

 

[Spartanmack]

good thing this board has such top notch legal scholars all over this one!

comically rich coming from you.

 

[zyxt9]

Trump didn't shut down the US when Covid started, got destroyed by the Liberal media...

I mentioned before that Biden didn't shutdown the US when Delta started in India, even when they were skyrocketing in cases. Media was crickets then. I was...ahem, informed... the situations were different because of the power of the vaccines!

So, what exactly was the reason Biden was never criticized regarding Omicron being allowed in, despite South America and UK informing everyone that thw vaccine does not stop it? Is the excuse this time because Omicron is so mild?

Biden has now twice done less than Trump in terms of shutting down the US... yet, silence reigns.

And no, I am not being hypocritical in regards to my personal opinion here, which is the unusual will find its way in even with even more strict shutdowns. I am not wanting things to be shutdown, just pointing out the hypocrisy in the media yet again.

After all, the media were the ones attempting to claim Omicron was going to be the worst yet, with more Covid deaths than ever before despite evidence to the contrary. Yet no backlash on Biden for not closing all borders, flights, ships, etc during their fallacious fear mongering.