Detroit Lions FA Thread

[sggatecl]

That's my fn point..lol. People love to blame Suh, blame Mayhew or blame China but it's nobody's fault. Top FAs usually have their destinations picked out. Most of the top defensive guys were signed immediately to other teams. The Lions weren't even an option.

GET IT?!

Pure speculation on your part. But just assuming you are Mayhew's buddy and know the inner workings...

Tarell Brown ----> Raiders
Tracy Porter ----> Redskins
Brent Grimes ----> Dolphins
Captain Munnerlyn ----> Vikings
DRC -----> Giants
Walter Thrumond -----> Giants

I'd venture to guess any one of these guys would start from day 1 and they didn't go to teams that made the playoffs last year. Those are just corners. There are plenty of other examples in other positions including safety.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It's all about Matt and that bothers me a bit. We get coaches for him, his TE and a WR. Not that we didn't need a WR down the road but when is the defense going to get help? They have a plan get Matt back to 2011 form. But if Matt repeats 2012-13 again then what..

Personally I like Tate but I would have used Pettigrew's money for a defensive player.

 

[kmd47]

Maybe they feel they would have had to over pay for most of the defensive free agents to get them to even think about coming here, because like all you have said no one wants to come here. So why not sign guys who want to be here and are motivated and want to win. Maybe they think the better defensive value is on the draft.... We all hate Mayhew but just maybe they have a plan..... After last year's draft I am way more comfortable going into the draft with a few needs to fill on defense.

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[Mitchrapp]

Maybe they feel they would have had to over pay for most of the defensive free agents to get them to even think about coming here, because like all you have said no one wants to come here. So why not sign guys who want to be here and are motivated and want to win. Maybe they think the better defensive value is on the draft.... We all hate Mayhew but just maybe they have a plan..... After last year's draft I am way more comfortable going into the draft with a few needs to fill on defense.

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I get that..

 

[atxlion82]

Maybe they feel they would have had to over pay for most of the defensive free agents to get them to even think about coming here, because like all you have said no one wants to come here. So why not sign guys who want to be here and are motivated and want to win. Maybe they think the better defensive value is on the draft.... We all hate Mayhew but just maybe they have a plan..... After last year's draft I am way more comfortable going into the draft with a few needs to fill on defense.

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With how much nickle is played now in the NFL i dont think another olb is that high of a need. We need a safety and another DE. We can get both in the draft or pick up a vet.

As far as fielding a competative team the Gm has done that. There have been some pretty big coaching mistakes, or just unwillingness to adjust the game plan.

People complain about Durham starting but complain when we sign a great wr. Not to mention we still need to pick up another.

We are trying to get youndger after being one of the oldest teams in the league. We need good young players, not over paying a vet who is on the downside of his career.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

With how much nickle is played now in the NFL i dont think another olb is that high of a need. We need a safety and another DE. We can get both in the draft or pick up a vet.

As far as fielding a competative team the Gm has done that. There have been some pretty big coaching mistakes, or just unwillingness to adjust the game plan.

People complain about Durham starting but complain when we sign a great wr. Not to mention we still need to pick up another.

We are trying to get youndger after being one of the oldest teams in the league. We need good young players, not over paying a vet who is on the downside of his career.

Well said.

I like what we've done the last 2 years. Gotten younger, a LOT faster. We're adding solid players for depth. We have 3 of the top 85ish picks coming up in a pretty deep/talented draft.

I think we're going to be even better/younger/faster after the draft. We can fill our needs at S, WR, DE with the first 3 picks and if we draft well....come up with 3 starters.

 

[michiganalex]

we need a CB first especially if they get the Safety from Baltimore. we can then draft another S in the 4th or later

 

[boogerlovejoy]

we need a CB first especially if they get the Safety from Baltimore. we can then draft another S in the 4th or later

Yeah....leaves up paper thin at S though. An injury to either starter leaves us with a 4th round rook or Carey.

I'd be fine with Ihedigbo and taking HHCD in the first if Gilbert and Watkins are off the board. Gives us better depth and talent.

 

[michiganalex]

Yeah....leaves up paper thin at S though. An injury to either starter leaves us with a 4th round rook or Carey.

I'd be fine with Ihedigbo and taking HHCD in the first if Gilbert and Watkins are off the board. Gives us better depth and talent.

trade down then from #10 get denard and with the extra 2nd get a safety

 

[boogerlovejoy]

trade down then from #10 get denard and with the extra 2nd get a safety

I doubt it's that simple.

It sounds good in theory......but you have to find a willing trade partner. Easier said than done.

 

[michiganalex]

i've been wanting them to trade down anyway given the cap situation. i think a lot of it depends on who falls to detroit at #10 whether or not they have a trade partner. PittsBurgh seems like a good spot at #15 give or take a spot

 

[Mitchrapp]

I bet half the teams in the league want to trade down..Unless a QB or another key player falls I don't see anyone worth trading up for..

 

[michiganalex]

anything is possible. you never know what the war rooms are thinking

 

[detrisin]

i've been wanting them to trade down anyway given the cap situation. i think a lot of it depends on who falls to detroit at #10 whether or not they have a trade partner. PittsBurgh seems like a good spot at #15 give or take a spot

How much of a cap savings do we get by trading down? It's inconsequential.

 

[lucke]

How much of a cap savings do we get by trading down? It's inconsequential.

exactly, you're paying less for the player, but potentially the same with the additional pick.

the best case scenario would be to trade down, pick up an extra 2nd, then package that and a 3rd to get back into the late first... but that's not even needed because of how deep the draft is this year...

 

[michiganalex]

getting 2 for the price of one. thats how you help the cap situation

 

[lucke]

getting 2 for the price of one. thats how you help the cap situation

but you're having to pay the salary of an additional pick too... you still have to factor that in, even when it's a lower pick

just hypothetical
pick 10 will cost $2M against the cap
pick 45 will cost $750K against the cap

vs.

pick 15 costs $1.25M
pick 45 costs $750K
pick (lets just say) 57 costs $400K

that's not necessarily going to help the cap situation... basic math dude... once again, this is entirely hypothetical...

 

[inkfreq]

but you're having to pay the salary of an additional pick too... you still have to factor that in, even when it's a lower pick

just hypothetical
pick 10 will cost $2M against the cap
pick 45 will cost $750K against the cap

vs.

pick 15 costs $1.25M
pick 45 costs $750K
pick (lets just say) 57 costs $400K

that's not necessarily going to help the cap situation... basic math dude... once again, this is entirely hypothetical...

Thats correct, but you are forgetting the escalators in any contract stack according to the pick.

So in year one pick 10 might cost 2 million against the cap. In year four it might cost 9 million against the cap.

Pick 14 might cost 1.25M against the cap, but in four years it will only cost 6 million against the cap.

Hypothetical numbers of course, but the higher the pick, the more expensive future years will be.

It's the reason the #1 pick in the draft will cost $23M over four years, and the #20 pick in the draft will cost $10M over four years, but in the rookie year, they are paid nearly the same.

 

[lucke]

very true ink... but either way, it's not a true 2 for 1 deal like alex seems to think, but cheaper, sure.

 

[mhughes0021]

HHCD visited Monday...

"Yet the Lions have not made any real impact moves defensively during free agency. They signed two defensive linemen for depth -- Vaughn Martin and Darryl Tapp -- and let a productive defensive end, Willie Young, leave for Chicago.

In the secondary, the Lions have only visited with one free agent, safety James Ihedigbo, and he left without signing a contract. That might happen, but until it does, that leaves Detroit without any impact changes in the defensive backfield. The most noticeable move they have made was bringing in Alabama safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, a potential first-round pick, for a visit Monday."