Detroit Lions FA Thread

[Dapig]

those four guys are going to go down in history as the best of the best and all of those teams dont have great defenses but they have balance and depth throughout the whole team as they pretty much do every year.


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[LKP]

easy to do with a starting record the likes of Stafford....

You think peyton, brees, brady, Rodgers had stellar defenses all these years? the answer is no....not even close.

Peyton was under the tuteledge of Caldwell and that's when he became elite. Also once they gave him more than one weapon.

Brady most certainly had a good defense when he was a young QB.

The year the Saints won the Super Bowl they forced 39 turnovers.

Rodgers had a good defense in 2009 and 2010 and sat plenty early in his career. 2008 he didn't and went 6-10. 2011 Packer D forced a ton of turnovers (38) but their defense got beat bad when it counted (playoffs) and they lost. 2012 Rodgers had plenty more weapons than 2013 Stafford (Jennings,Cobb,Jones,Nelson,Finley)

And the year Stafford finally got some defensive turnover help (34 in 2011), 41 TDS for that bum of a QB.

 

[tomdalton22]

Russel Wilson on Detroit would suck forced to carry a team. The guy lives off defensive turnovers and a run game. Wilson can run I'll give him that. Most overrated QB in the league, Russel Wilson.

Russell Wilson better than Safford in completion percentage (63.1 - 58.5), yards per attempt (8.25 - 7.33); Int ratio (45.2 passes per INT - 33.4) and far superior in QB rating (101.2 - 84.2). This in just his second season in the NFL. I know he doesn't have the cannon that Stafford has but he makes much better decisions, is way more athletic and I think he is more accurate. If given the choice I would rather have Wilson.

 

[LKP]

Russell Wilson better than Safford in completion percentage (63.1 - 58.5), yards per attempt (8.25 - 7.33); Int ratio (45.2 passes per INT - 33.4) and far superior in QB rating (101.2 - 84.2). This in just his second season in the NFL. I know he doesn't have the cannon that Stafford has but he makes much better decisions, is way more athletic and I think he is more accurate. If given the choice I would rather have Wilson.

Life is easy for Wilson. If asked to lead an offense, we don't know if he could. That defense and run game carry Seattle. Way less attempts helps the YPA, ints and comp % (plus drops by his receivers). Wilson is not asked to do alot and thats ok for the Seahawks. 39 turnovers and 6 drives starting inside the opponents 20 yard line. If only life were that easy for Stafford.

 

[mhughes0021]

Peyton was under the tuteledge of Caldwell and that's when he became elite. Also once they gave him more than one weapon.

Brady most certainly had a good defense when he was a young QB.

The year the Saints won the Super Bowl they forced 39 turnovers.

Rodgers had a good defense in 2009 and 2010 and sat plenty early in his career. 2008 he didn't and went 6-10. 2011 Packer D forced a ton of turnovers (38) but their defense got beat bad when it counted (playoffs) and they lost. 2012 Rodgers had plenty more weapons than 2013 Stafford (Jennings,Cobb,Jones,Nelson,Finley)

And the year Stafford finally got some defensive turnover help (34 in 2011), 41 TDS for that bum of a QB.

lol peyton was elite in high school. WAYYYYY before Caldwell.

 

[tomdalton22]

Life is easy for Wilson. If asked to lead an offense, we don't know if he could. That defense and run game carry Seattle. Way less attempts helps the YPA, ints and comp % (plus drops by his receivers). Wilson is not asked to do alot and thats ok for the Seahawks. 39 turnovers and 6 drives starting inside the opponents 20 yard line. If only life were that easy for Stafford.

fewer attempts does not help yards per attempt....it is total yards / # attempts. Same for INT ratio....number of passes / INTs. Those things are part of being an efficient QB. Stafford has the stronger arm but that's it.

 

[mhughes0021]

fewer attempts does not help yards per attempt....it is total yards / # attempts. Same for INT ratio....number of passes / INTs. Those things are part of being an efficient QB. Stafford has the stronger arm but that's it.

not to mention having a strong arm is meaningless when your comp % is horse shit on any throw over 20 yards. When it would take a 10 foot WR with a 45" verticle to catch like 6 of your throws per game....that's not a very good qb.

 

[LKP]

fewer attempts does not help yards per attempt....it is total yards / # attempts. Same for INT ratio....number of passes / INTs. Those things are part of being an efficient QB. Stafford has the stronger arm but that's it.

More attempts is more opportunities for picks and much harder to keep comp percentage up. Fact

 

[LKP]

lol peyton was elite in high school. WAYYYYY before Caldwell.

False. Some very down years in Indy before Caldwell

 

[Mitchrapp]

Its very true but if best receiver is running at 75% and then you have no one else to throw too whats a guy to do. I think the better core of wr's we have the better Stafford plays...pretty much like every qb in the league. Take Flacco....i dont think hes better or worse than stafford and he won a SB. Take away targets takes away from getting the most out of your qb and it leave a lot of room for error.


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Having only 1 WR might lead to less yards, less points - but not accuracy. If you have a shitty WR, open or not - good hands or not, and the QB still throws the ball ten yards over your head or to the other team it's not on Durham and the like. It's foolish to think Matt $tafford will automatically have better accuracy with better wide receivers.

 

[Dapig]

Having only 1 WR might lead to less yards, less points - but not accuracy. If you have a shitty WR, open or not - good hands or not, and the QB still throws the ball ten yards over your head or to the other team it's not on Durham and the like. It's foolish to think Matt $tafford will automatically have better accuracy with better wide receivers.

Id have to disagree....part of the game is mental. More confidence in his wr's leads to being calm and creating a rhythm which leads to better accuracy and better decision making.


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[LKP]

Having only 1 WR might lead to less yards, less points - but not accuracy. If you have a shitty WR, open or not - good hands or not, and the QB still throws the ball ten yards over your head or to the other team it's not on Durham and the like. It's foolish to think Matt $tafford will automatically have better accuracy with better wide receivers.

Separation. Durham couldn't get it and it hurt stafford throwing into tighter windows than he should have had. Plus Durham had 8 drops

 

[Mitchrapp]

Id have to disagree....part of the game is mental. More confidence in his wr's leads to being calm and creating a rhythm which leads to better accuracy and better decision making.


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So he wasn't calm last year? For top 7 money he better be calm. He wasn't accurate in college either, it's a trend.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Separation. Durham couldn't get it and it hurt stafford throwing into tighter windows than he should have had. Plus Durham had 8 drops

Most QB when they see no where to throw, they go elsewhere. Or throw it away. Duh..

 

[Dapig]

Its the same argument over and over....its old. His stats are great with healthy and capable wr's. You dont like him and never will...your entitled and will never be satisfied. Brett Farve had very very similar stats and "accuracy" ....he got better when his team did.


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[sggatecl]

Its the same argument over and over....its old. His stats are great with healthy and capable wr's. You dont like him and never will...your entitled and will never be satisfied. Brett Farve had very very similar stats and "accuracy" ....he got better when his team did.


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Pretty sure we'll be satisfied when the results are the same. Don't act like Packer fans wouldn't have treated Favre the same if the results were switched.

 

[Dapig]

fans are fans and majority of them dont know shit about football. They just want wins


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[Mitchrapp]

Its the same argument over and over....its old. His stats are great with healthy and capable wr's. You dont like him and never will...your entitled and will never be satisfied. Brett Farve had very very similar stats and "accuracy" ....he got better when his team did.


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Favre is overrated. $tafford is overrated and that says a lot. 2011, his good year - his weapons, Best for 6 games but no Bush or Bell. WR, Titus Young but the rest was virtually the same. So a Young, minus a Bush and Bell.

He's regressed. This isn't about a better WR core.

 

[sggatecl]

fans are fans and majority of them dont know shit about football. They just want wins


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Yeah, wins are totally overrated. Stupid fairweather fans.

 

[Mitchrapp]

So are wins important or not?