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December 7 in Tigers and mlb history:

1887 - The Arbitration Committee meets and grants reserve rights to minor league clubs for the first time. In the most prominent contract dispute‚ prospect Bug Holliday signs with minor league Des Moines‚ despite the claims by major league St. Louis.

1937: Five of baseball's pioneers are added to the Hall of Fame: Connie Mack‚ John McGraw‚ Morgan G. Bulkeley‚ Ban Johnson‚ and George Wright.

1937: The National League extends permission for night baseball but the American League refuses to permit arc light games.

1939 - Lou Gehrig‚ age 36‚ is unanimously elected to Baseball's Hall of Fame‚ the sole choice this year. The five-year waiting period is waived for the "Iron Horse".

1960 - Detroit trades 2B Frank Bolling and a player to be named later (OF Neil Chrisley) to Milwaukee for OF Bill Bruton‚ 2B Chuck Cottier‚ C Dick Brown‚ and P Terry Fox.

1979: The Tigers swap OF Ron LeFlore to the Expos for P Dan Schatzeder.

1984 - In a straight trade‚ the Mets send P Walt Terrell to the Detroit Tigers for 3B Howard Johnson. Hojo will start for 8 years in New York. Terrell will have 6 seasons in Detroit‚ interrupted by stays with 4 other teams.

1992: The owners meeting in Louisville, KY. vote to re-open the collective bargaining agreement. They focus on free agency, salary arbitration, and salary minimums.

2009: The 2009 Winter Meetings start slowly in Indianapolis, IN. with the only deals announced on the first day being SS Adam Everett re-signing with the Tigers for one year.

Tigers players birthdays:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Deacon_White
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/whitede01.shtml
Deacon White Detroit Wolverines 1886-1888.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/donovdi01.shtml
Dick Donovan 1954.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/johnsal01.shtml
Alex Johnson 1976.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/schmabr01.shtml
Brian Schmack 2003.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hoopeke01.shtml
Kevin Hooper 2005-2006.

Tigers players who passed away:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Bobo_Newsom
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/newsobo01.shtml
Bobo Newsom 1939-1941.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Duke_Maas
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/maasdu01.shtml
Duke Maas 1955-1957.

from baseball reference
 
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http://www.blessyouboys.com/2013/12/7/5183390/bless-you-boys-podcast-95-doug-fister-rrade
Bless You Boys Tigers Blog Podcast 95: HookSlide's enemies list.

Topics:
? Doug Fister was traded to the Washington Nationals for either spare parts and a prospect or spare parts and Robbie Ray, the next member of the Tigers' rotation, scheduled to arrive in 2015.
? Taken in a vacuum, was the Fister deal a good trade or bad trade? When looked at in a larger context in concert with other moves, does the trade start to make more sense?
? Many are playing the "In Dave Dombrowski we trust" card, saying he's the smartest guy in the room and must know something about Fister, Ray, Ian Krol and Steve Lombardozzi others don't.
?The trades of Prince Fielder and Fister cleared a great deal of salary. Is it possible owner Mike Ilitch has told Dombrowski the Tigers have reached the upper limits of a self-imposed salary cap?
?The trade was made in part to move Drew Smyly into the rotation. Is asking Smyly or Rick Porcello to replicate Fister's numbers too much to ask?
? Everyone out of Washington is claiming Steve Lombardozzi is gritty, blue collar, and a winner, yet no one is saying he's talented, having hit .264/.297/.342 in 705 career at bats. Could Lombardozzi be the next dividing line in the war between Detroit's traditional fans and those who believe in advanced metrics?

? The Tigers have their closer, inking 39-year-old Joe Nathan to a two-year, $19M contract, with a club option third year worth $10M with a $1M buyout.
? Are there concerns in giving an aging Nathan huge money, even if contract was at a market rate?
?From all accounts, the Tigers' first choice as closer was Brian Wilson, but talks broke down. Wilson re-signed with the Dodgers for one-year at $10 million, with the second year a player option at $10M. Did the Tigers end up with the right closer?
?Fallout from all the moves include Dombrwoski confirming Miguel Cabrera will move back to first base and Nick Castellanos to third, Joaquin Benoit won't return and Bruce Rondon is being heavily counted upon to step into the setup role.
?Don't expect Shin-Shoo Choo to come to the rescue in left field, especially when he's going to command a long-term contract worth well over $100 million. But there's always Andy Dirks...

? Robinson Cano and Jacoby Ellsbury have agreed to what are sure to end up as albatross long-term contracts. Ten years for Cano, seven for Ellsbury? ARE MLB GMs NUTS?

?Speaking of possible albatross contracts, are the Tigers now set up to give long-term extensions to Cabrera and Max Scherzer?
?HookSlide is apparently podcasting from a submarine, Kurt endorses Chris Cotillo for your baseball scoops and Al reminds fans Brad Ausmus is a work in progress and we should hope he ends up as being as good of a skipper as Jim Leyland.
?Fahrvergn?gen!
?Froinlaven!
 
IMPORTANT DATES:
Dec 09, 2013 Winter Meetings (thru 12/12)
Dec 10, 2013 MLB.com GIBBYS announced at Winter Meetings
Dec 12, 2013 Rule 5 Draft
 
December 8 in Tigers and mlb history:

1880 - At the annual National League meeting, the league rejects the Washington Nationals' bid for admission, electing Detroit instead, although there is no established club there. The Michigan city is chosen for geographic reasons, since its 1880 population (116,340) is smaller than both Washington's (147,293) and Cincinnati's (255,139), the city being replaced.

1881 - The National League adopts a few new playing rules: the 3-foot corridor along the first base line is adopted for the first time; runners can no longer be put out returning to their bases after a foul ball not caught; the fine for pitchers hitting batters with pitches is repealed; the "block ball" rule allowing runners to take as many bases as possible on balls going into the crowd, the fielding team being able to put them out only after returning the ball to the pitcher in his box, is also repealed.

1914: The National League votes to hold the 1915 player limit to 21 per team. They also create the disabled list (DL) which allows a player to be kept out of play for 10 days and another player substituted for him.

1916 - The National Commission fines 51 players $25 to $100 for performing in post-season exhibitions. Among the guilty: Babe Ruth, Jack Barry, Duffy Lewis, 10 other Red Sox players, and Ty Cobb.

1939: At the December meeting of both leagues in Cincinnati, Judge Landis votes against all amendments favorable to farm systems. The Rules committee, with an eye towards raising declining batting averages, votes to restore the sacrifice fly for 1940. Seven American League owners push through a new rule barring the American League champion from making any trades within the league. Clearly aimed at the Yankees, winners of the last four World Series, the National League owners decline to vote it for their league.

1941 - Yesterday's bombing of Pearl Harbor and America's sudden involvement in the war, changes the owners' plan at the American League meeting of shifting the Browns from St. Louis to Los Angeles.

1951 - The American League alters its restrictions on night games, adopting the National League's suspended game rule and lifting its ban on lights for Sunday games.

1959: American League President Joe Cronin reports that expansion plans are indefinite. Branch Rickey scores him for his indecisiveness.

1962 - Former major leaguers Frank Crosetti and Johnny Schulte bring suit to prevent any increase in pension benefits which fails to include players from different eras.

2008: The Detroit Tigers try to shore up a gap at catcher by acquiring Gerald Laird from the Texas Rangers. They give up two pitching prospects, Guillermo Moscoso and Carlos Melo.

2011: Also signing today is reliever Octavio Dotel, who agrees to terms with Detroit, his 13th major league team.

Tigers players and coaches birthdays:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/ledbera01.shtml
Razor Ledbetter 1915.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Jack_Rowe
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/roweja01.shtml
Jack Rowe Detroit Wolverines 1886-1888.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Ed_Brinkman
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/brinked01.shtml
Ed Brinkman 1971-1974, coach 1979.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Robbie_Weinhardt
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/weinhro01.shtml
Robbie Weinhardt 2010-2011.

Tigers players and managers who passed away:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Bobby_Lowe
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lowebo01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/lowebo01.shtml
Bobby Lowe 1904-1907, manager 1904.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Buddy_Hicks
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hicksbu01.shtml?redir
Buddy Hicks 1956.

from baseball reference
 
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It's impossible to see how the Tigers are a better team after tradiing Doug Fister.
Unless there is more to it than meets the eye, it's difficult to defend the Tigers' trade Monday night of Doug Fister to the Washington Nationals.
Steve Lombardozzi is not a regular player. He is not even an effective backup. He is, at best, an upgrade from Ramon Santiago, a switch hitter with some versatility and little thunder in his bat. His career OPS is .639. His WAR last season was minus 0.4 and is minus 0.2 for his career, which means there is strong statistical evidence he is less than a 4-A player, let alone a major league benchie, joining Don Kelly, who signed a one-year contract Monday in the less-than-4A category. Lombardozzi walked just eight times in 317 plate appearances last season.

Doug Fister: A certainty traded for three unproven players
Ian Krol should help the Tigers as a situational left-hander, but he's just OK. Robbie Ray will give the Tigers some flexibility when it comes to make in-season trades. He had a really good High-A, Double-A combo season at a young age. He threw harder than in the past when he was projected as a back-of-the-rotation starter. He could be in the big leagues this season. But the road is littered with such pitchers, who never panned out after that type of minor league season.
Fister is a quality, proven No.3 MLB starter. They don't grow on trees. If this is about money, he was the one arbitration plus the Tigers' should have considered keeping. He didn't flinch in his time with Tigers. I didn't think that the Tigers trading for him was a good idea. I couldn't have been more wrong, I vastly overrated a prospect the Tigers traded to Seattle to acquire him, Francisco Martinez, and I greatly underrated Fister, the consummate pro and competitor.
People clamoring for the Tigers to have traded Rick Porcello instead are missing the point. Porcello has a much higher ceiling. He still younger than when Fister made his MLB debut, yet has more MLB service time. However, that higher ceiling figures to have netted the Tigers more in return.
There's a bottom line here. The Tigers are shooting to win a World Series next season. I know Fister would have played his part, and played it well. I don't know about these three players. Do you?
Perhaps the Tigers will use the money freed in this deal (about $5 million) toward signing a free agent to fill one of their holes (they are glaring in left field and at closer). Perhaps, the money will just go for the raises due to arbitration-eligible players Porcello, Austin Jackson and Alex Avila.
Whatever, the Fister trade was shocker to the system.
from the Oakland Press
 
Tigers couldn't have done better than Joe Nathan as closer.
Joe Nathan doesn't have a proven track record in the postseason. It's the one thing missing on his resume. To me, surprisingly because I usually feel the opposite about such things, it is an item that makes him appealing as the Tigers' closer.
Like his former teammate with the Minnesota Twins, Torii Hunter, he will be very motivated in 2014.
Nathan, who reached an agreement with the Tigers on a two-year free agent contact Tuesday, is the consummate pro, easily the best option to become Detroit's closer among the available candidates.
Nathan had a WHIP of .897 last season. That's outstanding. He struck out more than a hitter per inning and consistently hit 95 mph with his fastball. He has excellent command of the ball and a knack with off-speed pitches He has pitched in pressure situations for years thrived, on top teams with Minnesota and Texas, thrived during the regular season.
Brian Wilson was a maybe because of Tommy John surgery in the recent past. Grant Balfour was, perhaps, a one-year wonder and he has an excitable demeanor and makeup which can come unglued.
Nathan is the real deal with what appears like is still plenty left in the tank.
from the Oakland Press
 
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