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Happy holidays: 7 Tigers earn slice of MLB's $50M pre-arbitration bonus pool.
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7 players from Detroit Tigers earn bonuses from 2024 pre-arbitration pool.
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December 15 in Tigers and mlb history:

1883: In Louisville a "first-class colored team" is formed. The team, later known as the Falls Cities, becomes one of the nation's best black teams. It will join the National Colored Base Ball League (NCBBL) in 1887, but will apparently disband shortly after the collapse of the NCBBL in the first week of its season.

1886: The American Association meets and ratifies the new rules. It also approves the new clause that allows a club to reserve a player for as long as it wants, not just for next year's contract.

1896: The first pitching machine, created by Princeton professor Charles E. Hinton, is demonstrated in the university's gymnasium. The mathematics instructor's device resembles a rifle which shoots the ball toward the batter.

1900: Amos Rusie, out for the past two years with arm problems, is traded to the Reds by the Giants for young Christy Mathewson. Though only 30, Rusie, a future Hall of Fame pitcher, will not have the ability that brought him eight straight 20-game seasons, and he will not add to the 245 wins he collected in nine seasons. Appearing in just three games next season, he will finish with an 0-1 record.
Mathewson, 0-3 with the Giants but 20-2 with Norfolk (Virginia League), is much coveted by Cincinnati owner John T. Brush, who is currently negotiating to buy control of the Giants from the unscrupulous Andrew Freedman. Before he takes over, Brush wants Mathewson in place as a Giants starter, rather than the "pitched out" Rusie.

1905: After losing a record 29 games this year, veteran righthander Vic Willis is traded by 7th-place Boston to Pittsburgh for three players: Del Howard, infielder Dave Brain, and Vive Lindaman. Willis will rebound with four straight 20-win seasons.

1920: The Yankees' Ed Barrow pries future Hall of Fame P Waite Hoyt, C Wally Schang, lefty Harry Harper, and IF Mike McNally from his former Boston team in exchange for 2B Del Pratt, C Muddy Ruel, P Hank Thormahlen, OF Sammy Vick, and cash.

1920: The National League reveals a most telling statistic, pointing out the changes in the game: the use of 27,924 baseballs during the season, an increase of 10,248 over 1919.

1923: Al Szymanski, 21, who signed with his hometown Milwaukee club in the spring and was farmed out to Shreveport, is traded. Connie Mack secured the rights to his contract while he was at Shreveport; at the end of the season he reported to Milwaukee and hit .398 in 24 games. Scorekeepers change his name to Al Simmons.

1927: In a joint meeting, the major leagues turn over $5,000 to the Association of Professional Ball Players to aid ill or disabled former players.

1932: A joint meeting of American League and National League owners approves the concept of "chain store" baseball, developed as the St. Louis Cardinals farm system, despite strenuous objections by Judge Landis.

1933: The major leagues agree on a uniform ball to be livelier than the National League ball of recent seasons, to match the American League balls.
Owners also agree to ban Sunday doubleheaders until after June 15th.

1938: The Detroit Tigers traded Elden Auker, Chet Morgan and Jake Wade to the Boston Red Sox for Pinky Higgins and Archie McKain.

1945: The Tigers release Tommy Bridges, longtime ace pitcher. Bridges played his entire 16 year career with the Tigers and compiled a 194 - 138 record and was a 3 time 20 game winner from 1934-1936, leading the A.L. in Strikeouts 2 years. Bridges was a 6 time All-Star.
He has one of the greatest full names in baseball history: Thomas Jefferson Davis Bridges.

1949: The St. Louis Browns selected Stubby Overmire off waivers from the Detroit Tigers.

1959: Frank Lane replaces former Tiger Hank Greenberg as Cleveland's general manager. "Trader" Lane will trade Norm Cash the following April to the Tigers for Steve Demeter and Rocky Colavito to the Tigers the following April for Harvey Kuenn.

1960: The biggest trade in history? The Phils lose more than 1 1/2 inches when they acquire P Frank Sullivan from the Red Sox for 6'9" Gene Conley. In the next two years, Conley will win 26 games for the Sox, the third Boston team he will play for: Conley started with the Boston Braves in their last year before moving to Milwaukee, and played several seasons with the Celtics as Bill Russell's backup.

1964: Tigers owner John Fetzer announces a 2-year television pact between Major League Baseball and ABC-TV. The network pays $12.2 million to telecast games on 25 Saturdays, Independence Day, and Labor Day.
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1965: Detroit trades P Phil Regan to the Dodgers for IF Dick Tracewski. Regan will lead the National League in saves in 1966 while winning 14 of 15 decisions. Tracewski will play for the Tigers for 4 seasons & coach for 24 seasons.

1967: Pittsburgh acquires P Jim Bunning from the Phillies for pitchers Woody Fryman, Bill Laxton, and Harold Clem, and IF Don Money.

1968: The Kansas City Royals purchased Dennis Ribant from the Detroit Tigers.

1969: The National Labor Relations Board accepts the case of fired umpires Bill Valentine and Al Salerno, thereby issuing a challenge to baseball's antitrust status.

1976: Tigers release Bill Freehan after 15 years, prompting his retirement. Freehan would later say he could have played another year or two, but didn't want to start over somewhere else:

1980: Dave Winfield (.276, 20, 87) becomes the highest-paid player in the history of sports. The former Padre signs a ten-year free agent deal with Yankees worth a record $16 million.


1983: Commissioner Bowie Kuhn suspends convicted Kansas City Royals Willie Wilson, Willie Aikens, and Jerry Martin, and Dodgers pitcher Steve Howe for one season without pay for their use of illegal drugs. The suspensions will be shortened by an arbitrator and lifted on May 15th. Former Royal Vida Blue, who was released during the season and is currently out of a job, is also suspended.

1992:The Yankees sign free agent 3B Wade Boggs to a three-year contract.

1994: The owners approve a salary cap plan by a vote of 25-3, but agree to delay implementing it so that another round of talks with the players can be held as the strike remains unresolved.

1995: The Ted Williams Tunnel in Boston is opened as the "Splendid Splinter" leads the way.

1996: The Detroit Tigers signed Ray Holbert as a free agent.

1997: The Detroit Tigers drafted Sean Runyan from the San Diego Padres in the 1997 rule 5 draft.

1998: The Detroit Tigers signed Alejandro Freire as a free agent.

2000: The Tigers acquire P Matt Perisho from the Rangers for pitchers Kevin Mobley and Brandon Villafuerte.

2003: The Detroit Tigers drafted Chris Shelton from the Pittsburgh Pirates in the 2003 rule 5 draft.
2003: The Detroit Tigers drafted Lino Urdaneta from the Cleveland Indians in the 2003 rule 5 draft.

2005: The Detroit Tigers signed Steve Green as a free agent.
2005: The Detroit Tigers signed Kenny Rogers as a free agent.

2006: The Detroit Tigers signed Lance Davis as a free agent.
2006: The Detroit Tigers signed Jason Karnuth as a free agent.
2006: The Detroit Tigers signed Dane Sardinha as a free agent.

2008: Detroit signs free agent and defensive specialist Adam Everett.

2009: Commissioner Bud Selig announces that he will chair a 14-person committee to analyze ways to improve baseball's on-field product. The group will look at issues such as the pace of the game, umpiring, instant replay and possible rule changes.

2010: Hall of Famer Bob Feller, one of the greatest pitchers in baseball history, dies at age 92. "Rapid Robert" made his major league debut at 17 and had the best fastball of his generation. He lost a good part of his prime years while serving with great distinction in the US Navy during World War II and spent his entire career with the Cleveland Indians, for whom he posted 6 20-win seasons and pitched 3 no-hitters and also had 12 one hitters.

2018: The amounts due for luxury tax payments this year are announced, and the World Series champions Red Sox lead the pack, being assessed a penalty of almost $12 million for exceeding payroll limits. The only other team over the threshold are the Nationals, who owe $2.3 million. In addition to the amount of the fine, the Red Sox will see their top pick in the 2019 amateur draft drop by 10 places as a result of the assessment, under a newly-adopted clause.

Tigers players and managers birthdays:

Jay Clarke 1905.

Eddie Robinson 1957.

Ray Herbert 1950-1951, 1953-1954.

Jim Leyland manager 2006-2013, Tigers minor league player 1964-1970, Tigers minor league manager 1971-1981, advisor to ownership 2017-present.

Tigers players and managers who passed away:

Ed Barrow manager 1903-1904.

Bubba Floyd 1944.

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DEEPER DISCUSSIONS.
Totally Tigers

It has been confirmed that the Detroit Tigers have been in discussions with 3Ber Alex Bregman and his agent, Scott Boras.

This means that they have concerns about Jace Jung manning the hot corner. Jung had a rough intro to the MLB level last year and was a negative defender.

Granted, the sample size is very small and it was his first time playing at the MLB level. He also just started playing that position a year ago. Performance is expected to not be ideal early on. The questions to ask is whether he will get significantly better and how long it might take.

But Jung’s original position is 2B. He was moved to 3B to accommodate concerns over Colt Keith’s shoulder. Currently, the Tigers have no one in the minor league system capable of taking over anytime soon.

Yet, the Tigers’ infield is weak overall defensively and ranks at the bottom of MLB. Only Jake Rogers and Trey Sweeney are plus defenders.

Which brings us to Alex Bregman. He just won a Gold Glove at 3B and is a substantial plus defender every year.

Potentially, the Tigers may be thinking of shuffling their entire infield. If they acquire Bregman, they could shift Jung back to 2B and move Keith to 1B. Colt has spent his entire minor league career since 2021 shuffling back and forth between 2B and 3B.

Spencer Torkelson would be the odd man out.

But the Tigers are reported to also be interested in Paul Goldschmidt and Yandy Diaz. Both play 1B.

Should the team trade for 1 of these players, they could keep Jung at 3B and Keith at 2B, only replacing Torkelson.

In the past – and under the former regimes – moving players positionally hasn’t worked out well. You may remember when Miguel Cabrera was moved to 3B and Nick Castellanos saw 5 different positional moves.

What should the Tigers do?

Keep that infield the same, only replacing Torkelson with a new 1Ber?

Or signing a new 3Ber and shifting Jung and Keith to 2B and 1B respectively?

Today’s blog addresses this question and allows readers to share their thoughts in more detail. And hopefully, to actively engage with others by responding to their posts and creating back-and-forth discussion threads. The more the merrier!

For this one blog only, you’ve got 6 sentences max to share your thoughts. Of course, you can also respond to other readers.

TT will supply the ammunition. One thought-provoking question. Several options provided. One hard choice to be selected. One vote.

Ready?

What should the Tigers do about their infield for the 2025 season?

1. Keep the infield the same and sign a new 1Ber.

2. Sign a new 3Ber and shift Jung and Keith.

VOTE
 
December 16 in Tigers and mlb history:

1918: Ty Cobb returns from World War I, tells New York Times he is retiring from baseball. He will play 10 more seasons.
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1922: The Eastern Colored League (chartered as the "Mutual Association of Eastern Colored Baseball Clubs") is formally organized. The league will complete five seasons before folding in midsummer of 1928.

1926: Judge Landis is given a new 7-year term as commissioner with a raise to $65,000.

1947: The Philadelphia Phillies purchased Roy Cullenbine from the Detroit Tigers.

1953: In a ten-player trade, the Yankees send 1B Vic Power, infielders Jim Finigan and Don Bollweg, OF Bill Renna, C Jim Robertson, and P John Gray to the A's. Philadelphia packs veteran 1B Eddie Robinson, Loren Babe, P Harry Byrd, and outfielders Tom Hamilton and Carmen Mauro to New York.

1954: Willie Mays is named the NL MVP (41 HR - 110 RBI - .345 BA) "The Say Hey Kid" wins the award after missing most of the 1952-53 seasons due to military service. He returned in '54 to lead the New York Giants to a World Series title.
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1974: Arbitrator Peter Seitz rules in favors of Cy Young Award winner Jim Hunter in a dispute with A's owner Charlie Finley making "Catfish" a very attractive unrestricted free agent.

1975: Legendary owner Bill Veeck returns to baseball when he buys back the Chicago #WhiteSox team from John Allyn.
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1976: Court proceedings in Charlie Finley's $10 million damage suit against Commissioner Bowie Kuhn begin in Chicago. At issue is Kuhn's voiding of Finley's attempted player sales last June. The proceedings will take 15 days, and the decision will take three months, but it will uphold the Commissioner's authority to act "in the best interests of baseball."

1976: The Detroit Tigers released Pedro Garcia.
1976: The Detroit Tigers released Alex Johnson.

1982: Tom Seaver's trade back to the Mets from the Reds is completed when "Tom Terrific" comes to contract terms with the Mets. Cincinnati obtains pitcher Charlie Puleo and two minor leaguers (Lloyd McClendon and Jason Felice) in exchange for the "Franchise". Seaver will surprise the Reds by winning 47 more games before hanging it up in 1986.

1992: The Detroit Tigers signed Mark Grater as a free agent.

1995: The Detroit Tigers signed Kevin Baez as a free agent.

1996: The Detroit Tigers traded Cam Smith (minors) and Joey Eischen to the San Diego Padres for Willie Blair and Brian Johnson.
1996: The Detroit Tigers traded Mark Lewis to the San Francisco Giants for Jesse Ibarra (minors).

1997: The Detroit Tigers signed Billy Ripken as a free agent.

1999: The Detroit Tigers signed Allen McDill as a free agent.

2002: The Twins release 1B David Ortiz. The unheralded player will soon be picked up by the Red Sox, for whom he will develop as one of the most accomplished sluggers in the game.

2002: The Detroit Tigers drafted Wil Ledezma from the Boston Red Sox in the 2002 rule 5 draft.
2002: The Detroit Tigers released Pedro Feliciano.
2002: The Pittsburgh Pirates traded a player to be named later and Adrian Burnside (minors) to the Detroit Tigers for Randall Simon. The Pittsburgh Pirates sent Roberto Novoa (December 16, 2002) to the Detroit Tigers to complete the trade.
2002: The Detroit Tigers purchased Travis Chapman from the Cleveland Indians.
2002: The Detroit Tigers purchased Matt Roney from the Pittsburgh Pirates.

2011: Sentencing is announced in the trial of Barry Bonds. The major leagues' all-time leading home run hitter is handed a two-year probation with a term of house arrest after being found guilty of obstruction of justice on April 13th. He is also fined $4000 and ordered to perform 250 hours of community service.

2015: The Detroit Tigers signed Nate Schierholtz as a free agent.

2016: A record number of six teams are assessed luxury tax payments for the coming season. Not surprisingly, the Dodgers ($31.8 million) and Yankees ($27.4 million) lead the pack of profligate spenders by a long shot. They are joined by Boston, Detroit, San Francisco and the Cubs, who are all assessed penalties under $5 million. The Yankees have been assessed a penalty in each of the 14 years the system has been in existence.
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2016: The Detroit Tigers signed Jim Adduci as a free agent.
2016: The Detroit Tigers signed Collin Balester as a free agent.

2020: In a groundbreaking decision, Major League Baseball grants major league status to the Negro Leagues for the period 1920-1948, meaning that statistics compiled by their players will now be part of the official baseball record. The decision affects seven leagues and some 3,400 players, including 35 Hall of Famers.

2023 - The MLB awards season ends with the awarding of the Hank Aaron Award honoring the best hitter in each league. Matching the recipients of the MVP Awards, the winners are Ronald Acuna in the National League and Shohei Ohtani in the American League.

Tigers players birthdays:

Neil Chrisley 1959-1960.

Billy Ripken 1998.

Jason Wood 1998-1999.

Tigers players who passed away:

Johnny Gorsica 1940-1944, 1946-1947.

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MONDAY MUSINGS.
Totally Tigers

Today, it’s about quick hits – bits of news that catch my radar during the week as well as connecting the dots re ongoing stories. Even the quirky.
So let’s get to it! Here are the most interesting topics that hit my radar over the past week………..
 
December 17 in Tigers and mlb history:

1888: Former Detroit players Deacon White and Jack Rowe purchase a controlling interest in the minor league Buffalo club. Though their reserve rights have been sold to Pittsburgh, both men announce plans to play in Buffalo next year.

1889: The Players League adopts some new rules, including the 2-umpire system and an increase in pitching distance from 55 1/2 feet to 57 feet. A lively ball is chosen, assuring high scores in the upcoming season.

1902: AL owners adopt a 154-game schedule for the next season. This will last for over a half-century.

1920: The American League votes to allow pitchers who used the spitball in 1920 to continue using it as long as they are in the league. The National League will do the same. There will be 17 designated spitters in all, eight in the NL and nine in the AL.
For the NL: Bill Doak, Phil Douglas, Dana Fillingim, Ray Fisher, Marvin Goodwin, Burleigh Grimes, Clarence Mitchell, and Dick Rudolph.
For the AL: A.W. Ayers, Slim Caldwell, Stan Coveleski, Red Faber, Dutch Leonard, Jack Quinn, Allan Russell, Urban Shocker, and Allen Sothoron.

1928: National League President John Heydler's designated hitter idea gets the backing of John McGraw, but the American League is against it.

1928: At a joint meeting, a rule is changed that ends the practice of minor league teams selling star prospects to friendly Major League clubs for high prices, then getting the players back, forcing another ML club to pay the reputed price for the player.
Other changes ban the signing of players under the age of 17 and set a $7,500 price tag on any first-year player.

1935: Heinie Manush is traded from Washington to the Boston Red Sox for Roy Johnson and Carl Reynolds.

1942: The Yankees trade OF Roy Cullenbine and C Buddy Rosar to the Indians for Roy Weatherly and IF Oscar Grimes. With the draft in mind, all four players are married with one child each. Rosar had been in the doghouse with Joe McCarthy for leaving the team without permission the weekend of July 18-19 to take a police examination in Buffalo. The leave-taking prompted the Yankees to sign veteran C Rollie Hemsley.

1949: The Yankees and Detroit swap first basemen, the Tigers getting Dick Kryhoski while New York takes Dick Wakefield, signed by the Tigers back in 1941 to a $52,000 bonus.
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1952: The Detroit Tigers released Johnny Hopp.
1952: The Detroit Tigers released Bob Swift.

1959: In a child-payment hearing related to his divorce, Ted Williams alleges the Red Sox paid him $60,000, not the reported $100,000. He claims his entire yearly income was $83,000.

1964: The Yankees fire long-time television and radio voice Mel Allen. The well-known broadcaster popularized the "going, going, gone" home run call and often said "how about that" to describe happenings on the ball field.

1968: The owners announce they will increase contributions to the players' pension fund by $1 million to $5.1 million per year. Players vote down the proposal, 491-7.

1983: The Detroit Tigers signed Darrell Evans as a free agent.

1993: Rickey Henderson returns to the A's, signing a two-year $8.6 million dollar contract.

1994: The Detroit Tigers signed Ron Tingley as a free agent.

1998: The Detroit Tigers signed Pedro Swann as a free agent.

2007: The Detroit Tigers signed Max St. Pierre as a free agent.

2008: The Detroit Tigers signed Matt Treanor as a free agent.

2010: The Detroit Tigers signed Magglio Ordonez as a free agent.
2010: The Detroit Tigers signed Clay Timpner as a free agent.

2012: The Detroit Tigers signed Anibal Sanchez as a free agent.

2017: A statue honoring Ozzie Virgil Sr. is dedicated in Monte Cristi, Dominican Republic, honoring him as the first Dominican major leaguer. Virgil broke the Tigers' color barrier in 1958.

2022: The baseball hit by Aaron Judge for his record-breaking 62nd home run on October 4th is sold at auction for $1.25 million plus a buyer's premium of $250,000. While this is a lot of money, the fan who caught the ball at Globe Life Field in Arlington, TX reportedly turned down an offer of $3 million from a potential buyer in order to have the ball auctioned off.

Tigers players birthdays:

Curtis Pride 1996-1997.

Rudy Pemberton 1995.

Brandon Villafuerte 2000.

Eric Eckenstahler 2002-2003.

Tigers players who passed away:

Zeb Eaton 1944-1945.

Walt Dropo 1952-1954.

Doug Gallagher 1962.

Larry Sherry 1964-1967.

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FOOL ME ONCE….
Totally Tigers

I believe the Detroit Tigers are learning a lesson.
Never sign a player named “Spencer.” Worse yet, a player named “Spencer T.”
Especially a player named Spencer T. who has an agent named Scott Boras.
It now appears that lighting may be trying to strike twice.
 

Days Of Roar Detroit Tigers sign Alex Cobb, but what's the plan to upgrade offense? 59 minutes.

The Detroit Tigers signed right-hander Alex Cobb to a one-year, $15 million contract, adding the 37-year-old veteran to their starting rotation alongside Tarik Skubal, Reese Olson and Jackson Jobe. But is Cobb the right move? Evan and Mark explore the pros and cons of the Cobb signing, along with the Tigers' need to upgrade at third base or first base to contend for the American League Central in 2025. Could free agents like Alex Bregman and Paul Goldschmidt or trade candidates like Yandy Díaz fill the gaps? Things are trending in the right direction with Bregman. The guys break down the potential competition for Spencer Torkelson as Colt Keith and Justyn-Henry Malloy take ground balls at first base this offseason. Evan also shares his 2025 Opening Day roster prediction 1.0, highlighting concerns at third base, first base, shortstop, the bench and the bullpen. Additionally, how do the Max Fried and Blake Snell contracts impact Tarik Skubal's value, both now and in the future?
 
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