DNC has tried and failed to serve Kushner collusion lawsuit papers since April

[Gulo Blue]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-summons-to-kushner-by-mail-in-russia-lawsuit

The DNC tried to serve Kushner with a summons at his Manhattan apartment (three times) and was turned away by the Secret Service at his Washington address. It finally enlisted the U.S. Postal Service, only to be told it couldn?t deliver a package by certified mail to President Donald Trump?s son-in-law and senior adviser because no one would sign for it.

 

[Michchamp]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-summons-to-kushner-by-mail-in-russia-lawsuit

Seriously?

His family are all slumlords, with long records of violating all sorts of fair housing laws, and probably a lot more... but this bullshit is what they're going after him for?

 

[Gulo Blue]

That's still going on too.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...ies-investigation_us_5b4d4745e4b0fd5c73be2d54


I just think dodging serving papers is funny. Hollywood stuff. DNC needs to get it together and pull some stunt. Say they've got incriminating info on Clinton to lure him somewhere and then BAM! Served!

 

[Spartanmack]

Hard to be too sympathetic to people living in rent controlled and rent stabilized apartments particularly when as a "market price" renter, I had to pay artificially higher prices because of the lower supply.

 

[Michchamp]

Hard to be too sympathetic to people living in rent controlled and rent stabilized apartments particularly when as a "market price" renter, I had to pay artificially higher prices because of the lower supply.

try making more money then, so that higher rent isn't a concern, loser.

 

[Spartanmack]

try making more money then, so that higher rent isn't a concern, loser.

if you weren't so stupid, you'd realize that no matter how much more money someone makes, they're still overpaying for housing when a huge chunk of the supply is priced artificially low. The depths of your stupidity and lack of understanding of basic economics never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Spartanmack]

try making more money then, so that higher rent isn't a concern, loser.

I almost forgot the funniest part of this post - you're the failure of a lawyer who said he had to move to a state he hates because he couldn't get a job that paid him enough in Chicago - one of the biggest cities in the country with a broad base of massive companies from all kinds of industries - and its filled with and run by Dems idiots like you! You just can't help making an ass of yourself, can you? You are one pathetic loser on top of being a complete shithead.

 

[Polish-Hammer]

I almost forgot the funniest part of this post - you're the failure of a lawyer who said he had to move to a state he hates because he couldn't get a job that paid him enough in Chicago - one of the biggest cities in the country with a broad base of massive companies from all kinds of industries - and its filled with and run by Dems idiots like you! You just can't help making an ass of yourself, can you? You are one pathetic loser on top of being a complete shithead.

Can we cuddle the night away until you calm down?

 

[tinselwolverine]

they're still overpaying for housing when a huge chunk of the supply is priced artificially low

Hmmmmm....so let me get this straight...cheap labor from illegal immigration depresses the market wage rate for everybody else...but cheap housing has the adverse effect on supply and demand?

Man...what the fuck did I miss in Econ 101?

 

[Spartanmack]

Can we cuddle the night away until you calm down?

I couldn't be more relaxed.

 

[Spartanmack]

Hmmmmm....so let me get this straight...cheap labor from illegal immigration depresses the market wage rate for everybody else...but cheap housing has the adverse effect on supply and demand?

Man...what the fuck did I miss in Econ 101?

In the labor case you're increasing supply, in the real estate case you're decreasing it. The same principles apply.

 

[Gulo Blue]

In the labor case you're increasing supply, in the real estate case you're decreasing it. The same principles apply.

That's the theoretical 1st order effect, but other things play into to it. When they ended rent control in Cambridge, Mass, the rent of non-rent controlled places also rose dramatically. Are there other examples?

 

[Michchamp]

Can we cuddle the night away until you calm down?

I don't know why he got so sore. I was just trying to help.

I mean if you're struggling to pay your rent because poor people get some benefit you don't, and you're not concerned with why there are so many poor people living in your city who can't afford market rent, and want to kick them out of their homes (but of course want someone else to do that part for you and don't want to see the consequences)... then the solution can only be to make more money. Seems reasonable.

 

[Spartanmack]

I don't know why he got so sore. I was just trying to help.

I mean if you're struggling to pay your rent because poor people get some benefit you don't, and you're not concerned with why there are so many poor people living in your city who can't afford market rent, and want to kick them out of their homes (but of course want someone else to do that part for you and don't want to see the consequences)... then the solution can only be to make more money. Seems reasonable.

sore, and laughing at you for being such an idiot are two completely different things.

I never struggled to pay my rent. I moved out because we started a family and we wanted to raise our kids in the suburbs. By the time it came to write $30k checks for preschool, I may have been priced out. And I don't want to kick anyone out of their rentals if they can afford market based rents. Nobody has a right to live anywhere they want - if they can't afford it, move.

The difference is, I practice what I preach - if something gets too expensive, I'm willing to adjust. I don't vote for socialist wind bags to tell private property owners they can't charge market rates for their property I'm renting. It's idiots like you who don't have the balls to do things yourselves so you vote for people to impinge on the rights of others for you. You're the idiot and the spineless weasel in this conversation.

 

[Michchamp]

A lot of these developers take government handouts, or agree to provide "X" number of units as subsidized housing in order to get their buildings built in the first place.

For example, much, if not Most of Trump's Dad's big apartment buildings & developments in Brooklyn were built in large part due to Federal housing subsidies.

Of course, once the building is up, these same developers try to squirm out of their agreements, since they can score bigger bucks by double crossing our own government and renting at market rates.

That was Fred Trump's MO to a "T."

And they push out stories villifying the people in the rent controlled units, to distract attention from their own misconduct, and ensure there's no political will for the politicians to sue them to enforce the terms of the contracts under which they gave them public money. It's the people getting handouts fault!

Idiots, like SOME people who post here but shall remain nameless, having swallowed Right Wing Jazz hook line and sinker, take the bait and run with it.

Way easier to punch down at people who can't punch back, then to deal with the fact that this sort of corruption is widespread and that's just then country we live in

 

[Spartanmack]

That's the theoretical 1st order effect, but other things play into to it. When they ended rent control in Cambridge, Mass, the rent of non-rent controlled places also rose dramatically. Are there other examples?

There are multiple factors at play that cause rents to go up - inflation, economic activity, population growth/shift, crime, gentrification are just a few of many things that impact prices. If getting rid of rent controls allows for investment/improvements that attracts higher net worth residents who spend more, spur local growth and drive overall values and rents higher, crimes lower, etc that's still a more desirable result.

 

[Spartanmack]

A lot of these developers take government handouts, or agree to provide "X" number of units as subsidized housing in order to get their buildings built in the first place.
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For example, much, if not Most of Trump's Dad's big apartment buildings & developments in Brooklyn were built in large part due to Federal housing subsidies.
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Of course, once the building is up, these same developers try to squirm out of their agreements, since they can score bigger bucks by double crossing our own government and renting at market rates.
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That was Fred Trump's MO to a "T."
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And they push out stories villifying the people in the rent controlled units, to distract attention from their own misconduct, and ensure there's no political will for the politicians to sue them to enforce the terms of the contracts under which they gave them public money. It's the people getting handouts fault!
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Idiots, like SOME people who post here but shall remain nameless, having swallowed Right Wing Jazz hook line and sinker, take the bait and run with it.
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Way easier to punch down at people who can't punch back, then to deal with the fact that this sort of corruption is widespread and that's just then country we live in
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this isn't really true - it's absolutely not true of rent control. It's more often the case that these sleazy politicians are in bed with the developers and they give them tax breaks (which I'm opposed to) in exchange for a specified number of apartments for "low income" renters or buyers. The qualifications, which in my experience are always based on salary and not net worth are a joke and the prices, while lower are still out of the range for the people they're designed for (teachers, cops, fireman, city employees, etc). So they end up going to some rich kid right out of college making an entry level salary as a doctor/banker/lawyer/ad exec/tech person and getting the down payment from their wealthy parents or a banker who took a year off and didn't make any money but has banked a the down payment and then some. Then in a few years they're making a salary well above the qualifying level at their bank/ad agency/tech company/hedge fund/medical practice or whatever. They then live in or illegally rent the apartments at market rates for some required period of time (usually 5 or 10 years) and then they can sell or rent them out at market prices for a tidy profit

It's all a giant scam and it's not that the politicians don't have the will to sue them, they're at the heart of it, taking big dollars from real estate developers to keep the scam going. But you've swallowed the big government, leftists narrative that there's only one bad guy in this scenario hook, line and sinker and that capitalism (even though this is anything but capitalism) not misguided and corrupt government regulation, is part of the problem.

 

[Michchamp]

Turns out it's not "many if not most" but "most if not all" when it comes to Fred Trump's apartments being built with federal funds. link

also, FTFA:

The elder Trump created some 27,000 units of housing across New York City in his long career?co-op complexes, garden apartments, single family homes?a virtual archipelago of the outer borough white lower-middle-class. Underlying it all were guarantees from the Federal Housing Administration, an agency that will soon [edit: article dates from 2017] fall under his son?s control.

These kind of state interventions are anathema to modern conservative-libertarian economic theory, which asserts that they mutate the free market. But without them, January 21, 2017 would likely dawn on Donald Trump living in Levittown instead of the White House.​

 

[Gulo Blue]

There are multiple factors at play that cause rents to go up - inflation, economic activity, population growth/shift, crime, gentrification are just a few of many things that impact prices. If getting rid of rent controls allows for investment/improvements that attracts higher net worth residents who spend more, spur local growth and drive overall values and rents higher, crimes lower, etc that's still a more desirable result.

If that's the more likely outcome, then you shouldn't complain about rent control driving prices up; you should complain about it holding back development. Something realistic, not an oversimplified econ 101 effect that doesn't reflect reality.



Or has it ever happened? Are there any examples? Or projections that it would happen anywhere if rent control was eliminated?

 

[Michchamp]

If that's the more likely outcome, then you shouldn't complain about rent control driving prices up; you should complain about it holding back development. Something realistic, not an oversimplified econ 101 effect that doesn't reflect reality.


Or has it ever happened? Are there any examples? Or projections that it would happen anywhere if rent control was eliminated?

there are dozens of articles out there about how Manhattan just saw a boom
in luxury skyscraper apartments, and rent prices have increased across the city.

and all this despite the number of Rent-controlled apartments dramatically decreasing over the years (link), now at historically low levels.

Seems like his gripe should be with the "rich trust fund kids" pricing his ass out of the market, not some old grandma who's been there longer than he's been alive...

But as a good Right-Wing Bot he's opposed to the estate tax as a matter of principle, and supports inherited wealth. what to do? what to do?