Dombrowski's Press Release

[kalinecountry]

Dombrowski: "highly unlikely" Magglio, Guillen back with Tigers in 2012. Biggest targets 3B/2B, backup Catcher.
(So no real new news).
More on this as released.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20111101/....nez--Guillen- -

 

[doinwork83]

KC while you're right, this isnt really news. i will say its nice to hear it strait from the horses mouth.... Thanks for the updates. I was listening to 97.1 a little bit ago and they said the tigers had asked reporters NOT to tweet during the conferance.

 

[kalinecountry]

KC while you're right, this isnt really news. i will say its nice to hear it strait from the horses mouth.... Thanks for the updates. I was listening to 97.1 a little bit ago and they said the tigers had asked reporters NOT to tweet during the conferance.

I knew it was to start at about 2 and kept looking for anything new. But as you said, that is why they waited until DD finished.
It just comes down to what all us 'arm chair' GM's have been posting about the usual positions and players.
and DD is usually one of the first to make a move of some sort.

 

[spockmaster]

ugh, i DONT WANT YOUNG. i really really hope he finds a LF too.


edit: "Demon Young will be back in Detroit in 2012. He is arbitration eligible at the least. Dombrowski does not appear set to sign him to a multi-year deal and wants to see more of him in action first. Brennan Boesch and Austin Jackson are the other two starters, as of right now."

fuck.

 

[hellifino]

sounds like D.D. has been reading the board, pretty much what everyone said we needed and didn't need.

 

[Rebbiv]

Generally speaking, DD keeps things close to the vest (unlike Randy Smith).

No one saw the Cabrera trade coming until it happened. No one saw the Fister trade really. Delmon. Etc, etc. DD does not let other teams forecast what the Tigers are doing.


To most everyone, GMs and fans, the 2 pressing needs is a starting 2B and backup catcher. No surprises. How they get the 2B could be via trade or FA. If by trade, someone like Delmon could be part of a bigger scenario.


As an example, I could see a trade with BAL. Markakis and Roberts, or Markakis and Reynolds, Markakis and Josh Bell for Young, Inge and Turner; or any other equal value.

BAL has a few players tied up in big contracts and are not going to win anything soon. They will probably be selling this offseason.


P.S. Even if DET offers Delmon arbitration, that is no where near a guarantee he will be on the opening day roster. A lot can happen (or not).

 

[buddyboy2121]

Generally speaking, DD keeps things close to the vest (unlike Randy Smith).

No one saw the Cabrera trade coming until it happened. No one saw the Fister trade really. Delmon. Etc, etc. DD does not let other teams forecast what the Tigers are doing.


To most everyone, GMs and fans, the 2 pressing needs is a starting 2B and backup catcher. No surprises. How they get the 2B could be via trade or FA. If by trade, someone like Delmon could be part of a bigger scenario.


As an example, I could see a trade with BAL. Markakis and Roberts, or Markakis and Reynolds, Markakis and Josh Bell for Young, Inge and Turner; or any other equal value.

BAL has a few players tied up in big contracts and are not going to win anything soon. They will probably be selling this offseason.


P.S. Even if DET offers Delmon arbitration, that is no where near a guarantee he will be on the opening day roster. A lot can happen (or not).

exactly you will never see anything DD is doing, how many times did you see the tigers pursuing Fister on MLBTR this summer until it was about to happen? I could see us trading Porcello, Turner, Castellenos, and Casey Crosby for Clayton Kershaw but even at that i think the Dodgers would laugh at that. We kinda need to start publicizing our farm system more because who knows about Drew Smyly? he is a great pitcher but we don't hype him enough so people think he would be some scrub throw in.

 

[Rebbiv]

Generally speaking, DD keeps things close to the vest (unlike Randy Smith).

No one saw the Cabrera trade coming until it happened. No one saw the Fister trade really. Delmon. Etc, etc. DD does not let other teams forecast what the Tigers are doing.


To most everyone, GMs and fans, the 2 pressing needs is a starting 2B and backup catcher. No surprises. How they get the 2B could be via trade or FA. If by trade, someone like Delmon could be part of a bigger scenario.


As an example, I could see a trade with BAL. Markakis and Roberts, or Markakis and Reynolds, Markakis and Josh Bell for Young, Inge and Turner; or any other equal value.

BAL has a few players tied up in big contracts and are not going to win anything soon. They will probably be selling this offseason.


P.S. Even if DET offers Delmon arbitration, that is no where near a guarantee he will be on the opening day roster. A lot can happen (or not).

exactly you will never see anything DD is doing, how many times did you see the tigers pursuing Fister on MLBTR this summer until it was about to happen? I could see us trading Porcello, Turner, Castellenos, and Casey Crosby for Clayton Kershaw but even at that i think the Dodgers would laugh at that. We kinda need to start publicizing our farm system more because who knows about Drew Smyly? he is a great pitcher but we don't hype him enough so people think he would be some scrub throw in.

I hope seriously you would not give up Porcello, Turner and Castellenos just for Kershaw. The Dodgers would do that deal in a heartbeat. Plus you throw in Crosby.


<<-----I want what he is drinking

 

[buddyboy2121]

exactly you will never see anything DD is doing, how many times did you see the tigers pursuing Fister on MLBTR this summer until it was about to happen? I could see us trading Porcello, Turner, Castellenos, and Casey Crosby for Clayton Kershaw but even at that i think the Dodgers would laugh at that. We kinda need to start publicizing our farm system more because who knows about Drew Smyly? he is a great pitcher but we don't hype him enough so people think he would be some scrub throw in.

I hope seriously you would not give up Porcello, Turner and Castellenos just for Kershaw. The Dodgers would do that deal in a heartbeat. Plus you throw in Crosby.


<<-----I want what he is drinking

I agree but Kershaw is 23 and is on line to win the NL cy young. Turner is just a prospect and i highly doubt he will ever be as good as kershaw

 

[stonecold2136]

Maybe we take the high road and sign Kelly Johnson and Kelly Shoppach to 1 years deals on the cheap

I still think Shoppach can be a decent back up to Alex, the guy has cannon for an arm......threw out 41% of base stealers which ranked first in all of baseball

Would be great to slide in there when we play the Angels

 

[spockmaster]

Generally speaking, DD keeps things close to the vest (unlike Randy Smith).

No one saw the Cabrera trade coming until it happened. No one saw the Fister trade really. Delmon. Etc, etc. DD does not let other teams forecast what the Tigers are doing.


To most everyone, GMs and fans, the 2 pressing needs is a starting 2B and backup catcher. No surprises. How they get the 2B could be via trade or FA. If by trade, someone like Delmon could be part of a bigger scenario.


As an example, I could see a trade with BAL. Markakis and Roberts, or Markakis and Reynolds, Markakis and Josh Bell for Young, Inge and Turner; or any other equal value.

BAL has a few players tied up in big contracts and are not going to win anything soon. They will probably be selling this offseason.


P.S. Even if DET offers Delmon arbitration, that is no where near a guarantee he will be on the opening day roster. A lot can happen (or not).

i would be very on board with trying to pry markakis away from the orioles. would they actually trade him though?

 

[Mitchrapp]

2B is most important but I still hope they do something about 3rd. Even if Inge bounces back, we're talking about .230-.240 and 8-10 HR. Hardly worth a FT gig because he'll still k 160 times and his numbers with RISP will be terrible.

 

[Rebbiv]

I hope seriously you would not give up Porcello, Turner and Castellenos just for Kershaw. The Dodgers would do that deal in a heartbeat. Plus you throw in Crosby.


<<-----I want what he is drinking

I agree but Kershaw is 23 and is on line to win the NL cy young. Turner is just a prospect and i highly doubt he will ever be as good as kershaw

Cy Young or not, adding Kershaw does not greatly improve this team when you are trading the projected #4 and #5 starters, and the lone quality hitting prospect.

2011 Teams records when a pitcher starts

Verlander 25-9
Porcello 21-10
Scherzer 21-12
Penny 16-15
Fister 8-2

Kennedy 25-8
Halladay 24-8
Kershaw 23-10
C. Lee 22-10
Sabathia 22-11
J. Weaver 22-11
Greinke 21-7
C.J. Wilson 21-13

On an already good team, the actual difference between a great starter and a mediocre one is about 3-5 wins. Run Support often dictates the amount of wins a starter actually gets, or does not get.

In the last two years, Edwin Jackson's teams are 30-33 when he starts. DET is 34-30 is Scherzer's starts. The implication is that Scherzer is only about 2 wins per year better than Jackson. I could then make a strong argument that Granderson has been at least 5 wins better than Jackson over the last 2 years. Certainly, Schlereth has provided nothing, except maybe a negative. Cook is about neutral. The positive in this trade is DET got younger and "cheaper".

By acquiring Kershaw, DET would not be getting "cheaper". Kershaw is arbitraion eligible and is due for a huge raise.

 

[turok]

I see the Tigers possibly acquiring a 2B through a trade or FA, perhaps to platoon with Santiago, esp. if it involves a "better" bat more than a "glove" man. Hope that Betemit is gone b/c surely they can find someone better than him to platoon with Inge @3rd, but who knows?

Unless the Tigers are fortunate and might somehow acquire one out of maybe two IF who can also bat leadoff, but if not, then AJax will very likely be swinging wildly away there again, maybe he will perform somewhat better, but I surely don't expect him to make a huge or significant improvement in his mechanics and cutting down noticeably on his K rate.

Looks like they plan on going with a "scrubby" and "streaky" outfield in '12 including Boesch RF, Young LF, Jackson CF, and Kelly/Raburn filling in on occasion in the corners, and Dirks again? subbing infrequently in CF.

Yet again the Tigers will quite probably have a very mediocre "at best" defense overall taking the field in April '12.

I expect the Royals and Indians to again come out of ST "hot" and both may contend for the division lead during at least pre-ASB, but the Twins and White Sox likely won't, absent either or both making some dramatic trades/FA signing and improvements/adjustments during the off-season on their 25 man rosters, IMO. Dunn is a key for the White Sox, if he doesn't at least up his BA by ~100 points, then the White Sox will again have a 700 lb gorilla who also can't play defense any better than offense on their roster, that they have to hope and pray will hang it up and retire by mid-season or so. The Twins also have to find a DH to replace Thome, unless they intend to bat Mauer primarily as DH and catch only as a backup.

 

[batcave76]

I agree but Kershaw is 23 and is on line to win the NL cy young. Turner is just a prospect and i highly doubt he will ever be as good as kershaw

Cy Young or not, adding Kershaw does not greatly improve this team when you are trading the projected #4 and #5 starters, and the lone quality hitting prospect.

2011 Teams records when a pitcher starts

Verlander 25-9
Porcello 21-10
Scherzer 21-12
Penny 16-15
Fister 8-2

Kennedy 25-8
Halladay 24-8
Kershaw 23-10
C. Lee 22-10
Sabathia 22-11
J. Weaver 22-11
Greinke 21-7
C.J. Wilson 21-13

On an already good team, the actual difference between a great starter and a mediocre one is about 3-5 wins. Run Support often dictates the amount of wins a starter actually gets, or does not get.

In the last two years, Edwin Jackson's teams are 30-33 when he starts. DET is 34-30 is Scherzer's starts. The implication is that Scherzer is only about 2 wins per year better than Jackson. I could then make a strong argument that Granderson has been at least 5 wins better than Jackson over the last 2 years. Certainly, Schlereth has provided nothing, except maybe a negative. Cook is about neutral. The positive in this trade is DET got younger and "cheaper".

By acquiring Kershaw, DET would not be getting "cheaper". Kershaw is arbitraion eligible and is due for a huge raise.

I would only add that by getting younger, they have a chance to become better players down the road.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

I'm fully expecting another big time winter meeting trade by the Tigers. Probably won't be someone we're expecting either.

 

[johnny2x2x]

DD says they probably wont do much. This to me means a big move will happen.

 

[buddyboy2121]

I'm fully expecting another big time winter meeting trade by the Tigers. Probably won't be someone we're expecting either.

this. maybe david wright? andre either? han ram? i guess we will soon find out