Domestic Terrorism again

[Michchamp]

tough to kill dozens using a musket.

 

[byco42]

everyone should be home schooled by a priest, and all firearms technology should be frozen at 1812.

Home schooling is certaintly one way to minimize the chances of being shot in a neighborhood school.

 

[Spartanmack]

You joke about internet forums, but for the reasons people argue for the 2nd amendment, they should also argue for data privacy rights.

This is an odd seque if not a non sequitur. I don't recall any of my jokes about internet forums having anything to do with data privacy rights, certainly none that would indicate I don't care about privacy rights.

 

[TheVictors]

go fuck yourself trumptard

 

[Gulo Blue]

This is an odd seque if not a non sequitur. I don't recall any of my jokes about internet forums having anything to do with data privacy rights, certainly none that would indicate I don't care about privacy rights.

Segue. The worry about the dumbing down of internet forums - I think it's a real issue of data privacy and applies to all the ways we get our news and discuss the issues we're supposed to vote on and support through capitalism. The first amendment is nice, but you combine speech and personal data, and it becomes powerful. 'Weaponized'. An imbalance of power we shouldn't allow between the people and governments or other powerful groups.


Like maybe there should be restrictions on certain types of data mining for companies/entities involved in speech. Very difficult to construct a good law there, it could easily be tyrannical if not done right.

 

[Gulo Blue]

tough to kill dozens using a musket.

it is with that attitude.

 

[sggatecl]

Video Games. Single-player-shooter type. Impressionable, unshaped brains. I submit there is a connection. Combine that with psychotropic drugs ... and ...maybe it's just a bad idea anymore to stuff hundreds of kids in one building and expect them to learn, or even get along. There are many more causes-effects to consider besides the availability of firearms, since school shootings go back to the 19th century.

These games are played all over the world by millions. Yet the vast majority of shootings take place in the United States. I don't see the correlation at all.

 

[Gulo Blue]

These games are played all over the world by millions. Yet the vast majority of shootings take place in the United States. I don't see the correlation at all.

I haven't dug in, but I've seen headlines suggesting there's no correlation. Could be funded by the entertainment industry for all I know though.


I've also seen headlines about teen suicides picking up after netflix put out a show that featured a teen that committed suicide and left tapes to impact the people she thought led her to her decision.


Seems related to other discussions we've had about how much of a person's behavior you can attribute to culture.

 

[TheVictors]

Let me be perfectly clear.

This thread was started because of a nutjob obsessed with the Columbine Shooting (before she was even born!) coming to Colorado and threatening to kill my wife (a teacher) and my son. Because of this threat, 500,000 school children were kept home. Because the threat was broad enough, and vague enough to be a legitimate threat to ALL the schools in the state. I will not stand for this terrorism any more. I will not tolerate "political" discourse about the 2nd Amendment when it is patently obvious the Constitution is a fluid and organic document.

Women could not vote ...minorities could not either. That has changed. Alcohol was made illegal and then reversed. We can do better as a society. This country is sick and getting sicker. I will not stand for it.

If you wish to address me directly, insult me for posting this thread or topic, I will gladly meet you in person to make sure my point is beyond clear.

understand?

 

[Michchamp]

it's also patently obvious that only a gun manufacturer, his or her paid lobbyists (eg the NRA) and retards that buy into it because they are insecure and scoring cut-and-paste debate points in "culture wars" makes them feel better about themselves (eg spartanmakkk) could believe that this:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.".​

Means that everyone should be legally able to buy an assault rifle.

And I don't believe for a second the lip service the NRA and other gun lobbyists pay to background checks or waiting periods, since they do everything they can to defund and block implementation of those.

They want maximum gun sales, without restrictions.

 

[Spartanmack]

Let me be perfectly clear.

This thread was started because of a nutjob obsessed with the Columbine Shooting (before she was even born!) coming to Colorado and threatening to kill my wife (a teacher) and my son. Because of this threat, 500,000 school children were kept home. Because the threat was broad enough, and vague enough to be a legitimate threat to ALL the schools in the state. I will not stand for this terrorism any more. I will not tolerate "political" discourse about the 2nd Amendment when it is patently obvious the Constitution is a fluid and organic document.

Women could not vote ...minorities could not either. That has changed. Alcohol was made illegal and then reversed. We can do better as a society. This country is sick and getting sicker. I will not stand for it.

If you wish to address me directly, insult me for posting this thread or topic, I will gladly meet you in person to make sure my point is beyond clear.

understand?

yeah, I'm pretty sure I understand and I think you're veiled threat is even funnier than your loony rant. by the way, you shouldn't start incoherent rants with "Let me be perfectly clear..." it makes you sound crazy...and stupid.

Edit: I noticed I wasn't perfectly clear here. That should read "more crazy...and more stupid." And of course, if you want to make sure your point is beyond clear, PM me next time you're in NY or NJ - I'm always up for a good laugh.

 

[Spartanmack]

Segue. The worry about the dumbing down of internet forums - I think it's a real issue of data privacy and applies to all the ways we get our news and discuss the issues we're supposed to vote on and support through capitalism. The first amendment is nice, but you combine speech and personal data, and it becomes powerful. 'Weaponized'. An imbalance of power we shouldn't allow between the people and governments or other powerful groups.


Like maybe there should be restrictions on certain types of data mining for companies/entities involved in speech. Very difficult to construct a good law there, it could easily be tyrannical if not done right.

I don't disagree with this but when I was talking about the dumbing down, it wasn't about low information posters or misinformed posters. I was specifically referring to stupid comments like the one about a British invasion intended to dismiss arguments without actually addressing them - a common tactic on this board.

It probably does have a lot to do with the existence of this thread in the first place, as the OP has made it pretty clear he can't string together a logical thought or anything close to a cause-and-effect relationship between the 2nd amendment and these events that have triggered his crazy rants. And I did mention (and make fun of) that so in that regard your post was not a non sequitur. My bad.

 

[Michchamp]

I don't disagree with this but when I was talking about the dumbing down, it wasn't about low information posters or misinformed posters. I was specifically referring to stupid comments like the one about a British invasion intended to dismiss arguments without actually addressing them - a common tactic on this board.

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you dismissed Vic's post by calling him dumb.... which is more typical of your posts than you'd like to admit.

He dismissed yours by making a joke about the British.

please continue to embarass yourself by calling everyone "stupid" "dumb" or a "turd" then claiming they don't have the "intellectual depth" or whatever to argue with an overgrown man-boy like you...

 

[tinselwolverine]

you dismissed Vic's post by calling him dumb.... which is more typical of your posts than you'd like to admit.

He dismissed yours by making a joke about the British.

Polish-Hammer made the post about the British, post #16.

It seems like it?s a joke, but assuming that, it went over my head.

 

[Spartanmack]

you dismissed Vic's post by calling him dumb.... which is more typical of your posts than you'd like to admit.

He dismissed yours by making a joke about the British.

please continue to embarass yourself by calling everyone "stupid" "dumb" or a "turd" then claiming they don't have the "intellectual depth" or whatever to argue with an overgrown man-boy like you...

apparently you've missed the past several months of posts directed at me by Vic. And yes, I dismissed his post because it's an incoherent rant that doesn't come close to making the case he thinks it makes. Threats of violence from crazy people aren't a valid argument for abolishing the 2nd amendment, the idea that the NRA is somehow responsible for this is nonsense and he's made it clear he has no interest in discourse about the issue. None of those positions are rational or backed up by any facts or data and thus are not worthy of a serious response. And I'll take it a step further and say if you disagree with that, then you are also dumb. It is literally that simple. The fact that he does nothing but spew hateful attacks and now veiled threats on people who disagree with him, it's pretty clear he's just a hack and a prick whose posts aren't worthy of anything other than ridicule and scorn. The fact that you're defending him (poorly) says a lot.

It wasn't Vic who made a joke about the British.

The rest of this is just more nonsense from the guy who thinks linking op-ed pieces from leftist websites is providing research, facts or proof to support his leftist world view.

 

[byco42]

Let me be perfectly clear.

This thread was started because of a nutjob obsessed with the Columbine Shooting (before she was even born!) coming to Colorado and threatening to kill my wife (a teacher) and my son. Because of this threat, 500,000 school children were kept home. Because the threat was broad enough, and vague enough to be a legitimate threat to ALL the schools in the state. I will not stand for this terrorism any more. I will not tolerate "political" discourse about the 2nd Amendment when it is patently obvious the Constitution is a fluid and organic document.

Women could not vote ...minorities could not either. That has changed. Alcohol was made illegal and then reversed. We can do better as a society. This country is sick and getting sicker. I will not stand for it.

If you wish to address me directly, insult me for posting this thread or topic, I will gladly meet you in person to make sure my point is beyond clear.

understand?

Repealing the 2nd is a big request. Then people have to surrender their weapons or have them confiscated. The sickness you refer to is not reserved to our country: it's a global issue.

 

[Michchamp]

Polish-Hammer made the post about the British, post #16.

It seems like it?s a joke, but assuming that, it went over my head.

Yeah, I meant polishhammer, but i shouldn't have used the pronoun there to refer to him, since I just mentioned vic.

 

[Spartanmack]

Polish-Hammer made the post about the British, post #16.

It seems like it?s a joke, but assuming that, it went over my head.

I'm pretty sure it was. his jokes are usually or at least often much better.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Repealing the 2nd is a big request. Then people have to surrender their weapons or have them confiscated. The sickness you refer to is not reserved to our country: it's a global issue.

I was going to speak to the difficulty already, before I saw this post.

As with the electoral college, the overwhelming majority of people who feel that the second amendment protects them would have to-through their elected representatives-be the ones who choose to repeal it.

 

[Spartanmack]

I was going to speak to the difficulty already, before I saw this post.

As with the electoral college, the overwhelming majority of people who feel that the second amendment protects them would have to-through their elected representatives-be the ones who choose to repeal it.

I think you meant "threatens" - people who think the 2nd amendment protects them wouldn't want it repealed.

That subset would have to become a majority - I don't think it's even close currently. There is majority support things like universal background checks, mental health checks and other sensible restrictions but I don't think there's even close to a majority who want repeal. If I recall correctly, gun control didn't even crack the top 5 or even top 10 issues among likely voters in 2016.