Don't look now Bob...

[Spartanmack]

...but Kavanaugh just sided with the liberal justices - so did Roberts, again. Funny that you complain about the far right partisanship of the court when you see these quite frequently - even Scalia voted w/ the liberal justices from time to time. You know what you will never see? A dealine that reads "Ginsberg and Sotomayor side with conservative justices on Planned Parenthood (or any other case)..." Yet all we ever hear from you is how the court is being stacked with conservative ideologues (that means someone who is uncompromising in their ideology) and how dangerous that is for the country.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/10/supreme-court-planned-parenthood-defunding-case-845056

 

[sggatecl]

Was Kavanaugh the justice that considered himself and/or was considered by others a 'constitutionalist'? Or was that Trump's previous nomination?

 

[biggunsbob]

Lmao
Maybe Roberts feels bad for how much he has fucked America. You really think this is a big deal ? What is it for Roberts like a 10%-15/% liberal vote lol . Your funny Hack trying to sprout your brand of logic . The Roberts Court is one of if not the most conservative Court America has every had.

Look no further then Citizens United. This will not help his record unless he flips on every vote per from now until eternity.

I don’t really care what lying frat boy does. He and Gorsuch should not be on the Supreme Court.

You really know why this happened Hack. Because Planned Parenthood helps people. It is not just for abortion’s like conservatives seems to think. Maybe Roberts is out to help women who can’t afford insurance lol..

 

[biggunsbob]

Hey don’t look now Roberts is really turning liberal !! I am not holding my breath that he will continue to swing liberal. 82.4 % or closed cases is pretty conservative. So he has had a few liberal votes. Sadly it is not enough to save this country. Btw isn’t that just to consider the case ? Didn’t three justices obstain from the reviewing the planned parenthood case ? Heck it must have been a bad case if three obsatined and two voted not to review the case. My guess is the Roberts Court is waiting to save its leader in the Oval Office!


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/john-roberts-has-cast-a-pivotal-liberal-vote-only-5-times/

 

[Spartanmack]

Was Kavanaugh the justice that considered himself and/or was considered by others a 'constitutionalist'? Or was that Trump's previous nomination?

I think that's true of both Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.

 

[Spartanmack]

Hey don’t look now Roberts is really turning liberal !! I am not holding my breath that he will continue to swing liberal. 82.4 % or closed cases is pretty conservative. So he has had a few liberal votes. Sadly it is not enough to save this country. Btw isn’t that just to consider the case ? Didn’t three justices obstain from the reviewing the planned parenthood case ? Heck it must have been a bad case if three obsatined and two voted not to review the case. My guess is the Roberts Court is waiting to save its leader in the Oval Office!


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/john-roberts-has-cast-a-pivotal-liberal-vote-only-5-times/

didn't take you long to resort to name calling - good job! MC would be proud.

you're missing the point (unsurprisingly). how does that compare to RBG, Kagan and Sotomayor's voting records? Are you LYAO at that? The point you clearly have missed is that the only balance on the court comes from the conservatives because the liberal justices never cross over and vote with conservatives on landmark cases.

and no, you have your facts wrong (also unsurprisingly). Three justices voted to hear the case (Alito, Thomas and Gorsuch). Six justices including 2 conservatives voted to deny hearing the case, which was decided in favor of Planned Parenthood at the lower court.

also, according to this, Roberts is a lot more liberal than what 538 says...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideological_leanings_of_United_States_Supreme_Court_justices

edit: by the way, I love the headline of your article about how Roberts has only cast a pivotal liberal vote 5 times - he's a supposed conservative and he has 5 pivotal votes for your team. He votes liberal almost 20% of the time. Here's a challenge for you - name one significant case Sotomayor, Kagan or Ginsberg has cast a conservative vote on.

Your own article says in close cases, Ginsberg voted liberal 85% of the time, Sotomayor 90% and Kagan 82% of the time. So Ginsberg and Sotomayor vote liberal more than any conservative votes conservative in close cases and the 4 "conservative" justices all voted liberal more frequently than the liberal justices voted conservative. And in all cases, it shows the conservatives vote liberal at least as often as the liberals vote conservative.

 

[biggunsbob]

wtf are you talking about ? What name did I call you ?
I mean you always blast my posts and I really do not care what you post. You believe what you want to believe and so do I.

So it is ok to use my name in the title but you get upset when I call you a Hack instead of Mack? Really ? Isn't this a politics board. You do notice how I used the word both times ?

So from now on it is Mack not a Hack. I will try and remember that Mr. Mack. I really didn't think I was name calling.
My apologies if I hurt your feelings.


I get it you want to deflected from how CONSERVATIVE Roberts really is and has been. We can only hope he keeps siding with the side that wants to help ordinary folks. Because we know its not the conservatives. We can only hope Roberts keeps going left, and more left. but we all know what is coming from this court.


Also my guess and opinion is that Roberts wants nothing to do with a Planned Parenthood case? 75 percent of Americans support federal funding . That was 2017 Kaiser study. 62 percent of Americans view Planned Parenthood favorably.. That is from June 2018

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/a...upport-federal-funding-for-planned-parenthood


https://news.gallup.com/poll/236126/sixty-two-percent-view-planned-parenthood-favorably.aspx

 

[Spartanmack]

wtf are you talking about ? What name did I call you ?
I mean you always blast my posts and I really do not care what you post. You believe what you want to believe and so do I.

So it is ok to use my name in the title but you get upset when I call you a Hack instead of Mack? Really ? Isn't this a politics board. You do notice how I used the word both times ?

So from now on it is Mack not a Hack. I will try and remember that Mr. Mack. I really didn't think I was name calling.
My apologies if I hurt your feelings.


I get it you want to deflected from how CONSERVATIVE Roberts really is and has been. We can only hope he keeps siding with the side that wants to help ordinary folks. Because we know its not the conservatives. We can only hope Roberts keeps going left, and more left. but we all know what is coming from this court.


Also my guess and opinion is that Roberts wants nothing to do with a Planned Parenthood case? 75 percent of Americans support federal funding . That was 2017 Kaiser study. 62 percent of Americans view Planned Parenthood favorably.. That is from June 2018

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/a...upport-federal-funding-for-planned-parenthood


https://news.gallup.com/poll/236126/sixty-two-percent-view-planned-parenthood-favorably.aspx

Bob, you couldn't possibly offend me, not matter how hard you try. I was just pointing out once again, I'm not the one who stoops to the ad hominem despite the persistent accusations that I do.

I wonder if you will ever actually try to answer a question without going off on a rant about everything that you hate about conservatives.

I'll try one more time - since you believe the court is so heavily partisan and the right wingers on the court are doing all they can to ruin the country, could you cite a single instance where one of the liberal justices (RGB, Kagan or Sotomayor) has ever cast a pivotal vote on the conservative side of an issue in a significant case with a clear partisan divide? You yourself posted an article that said Roberts has done it 5 times. That article also indicated those conservative justices tend to vote liberal at least marginally more often than the liberals vote conservative. Do you have any data that disputes this - that the conservatives cross the aisle more than the liberals in general an they're the only ones that ever do it in pivotal, partisan cases? I'd love to see it. If not, don't bother with yet another repeat of the same rant - I've already read your opinion enough to know where you stand. I just want to know if you're objective enough to admit the leftists toe the party line more than the conservatives on the pivotal partisan issues.

 

[biggunsbob]

Bob, you couldn't possibly offend me, not matter how hard you try. I was just pointing out once again, I'm not the one who stoops to the ad hominem despite the persistent accusations that I do.

I wonder if you will ever actually try to answer a question without going off on a rant about everything that you hate about conservatives.

I'll try one more time - since you believe the court is so heavily partisan and the right wingers on the court are doing all they can to ruin the country, could you cite a single instance where one of the liberal justices (RGB, Kagan or Sotomayor) has ever cast a pivotal vote in a significant case with a clear partisan divide? You yourself posted an article that said Roberts has done it 5 times. That article also indicated those conservative justices tend to vote liberal at least marginally more often than the liberals vote conservative. Do you have any data that disputes this - that the conservatives cross the aisle more than the liberals in general an they're the only ones that ever do it in pivotal, partisan cases? I'd love to see it. If not, don't bother with yet another repeat of the same rant - I've already read your opinion enough to know where you stand. I just want to know if you're objective enough to admit the leftists toe the party line more than the conservatives on the pivotal partisan issues.

Of course I know leftist judges vote left a lot . Remember the word marginally was used.
List the cases that were the most important and I guess we can go on a case by case
Basis left or right for the Justices Wow brushing off the apology. I never try to affend you. Just pointing out how far right you are even though you claim not to be. I know how far left I am. America needs national health care in the worst way. We need prescription medicine reform. We need a plan for climate change. We need to lower cost of higher education. We need a coherent Plan for NASA. Money in politics. Btw I blasted Obama plenty of times which all of you on the right on this board gloss over all this time.

Oh crap I am ranting again. Sorry again Spartanmack !

I know where you stand and You will never change my mind and I will never change your mind. Do you know why Conservative Justice have to cross over more ? Because of public pressure. I believe you when they say conservatives justice cross over more. But on a case by case basis show me the important cases ? The one you mentioned above is not even a case . They just decided not to review this case. When it came to vote for citizens United we know who voted for it and against it. Heck I have no idea which cases caused right leaning justice to cross over. Pretty sure if it was a landmark decision we would have heard a lot about it.

We have no idea what will happen in the future or how the Jusitces will vote on Presidential power, gerrymandering, Roe v Wade, and future planned parenthood cases.
Maybe Roberts has developed a Conscience. It remains to be seen what will happen.

 

[tomdalton22]

America needs national health care in the worst way. We need prescription medicine reform. We need a plan for climate change. We need to lower cost of higher education. We need a coherent Plan for NASA. Money in politics.

it's your opinion that we need these things...it doesn't mean that your opinion is correct.

 

[Spartanmack]

Of course I know leftist judges vote left a lot . Remember the word marginally was used.
List the cases that were the most important and I guess we can go on a case by case
Basis left or right for the Justices Wow brushing off the apology. I never try to affend you. Just pointing out how far right you are even though you claim not to be. I know how far left I am. America needs national health care in the worst way. We need prescription medicine reform. We need a plan for climate change. We need to lower cost of higher education. We need a coherent Plan for NASA. Money in politics. Btw I blasted Obama plenty of times which all of you on the right on this board gloss over all this time.

Oh crap I am ranting again. Sorry again Spartanmack !

I know where you stand and You will never change my mind and I will never change your mind. Do you know why Conservative Justice have to cross over more ? Because of public pressure. I believe you when they say conservatives justice cross over more. But on a case by case basis show me the important cases ? The one you mentioned above is not even a case . They just decided not to review this case. When it came to vote for citizens United we know who voted for it and against it. Heck I have no idea which cases caused right leaning justice to cross over. Pretty sure if it was a landmark decision we would have heard a lot about it.

We have no idea what will happen in the future or how the Jusitces will vote on Presidential power, gerrymandering, Roe v Wade, and future planned parenthood cases.
Maybe Roberts has developed a Conscience. It remains to be seen what will happen.

it's not the point that leftist justices vote left a lot. That's not even close to the point. It's that in pivotal cases they NEVER vote against their party's position. Roberts who you say is a hardline conservative voted with the liberal justices in 5 pivotal cases - Obamacare being a tax and therefore, constitutional (something he was dead wrong about) being the most significant. I'm surprised you don't remember that one. And a vote not to hear a case favoring the left is just as impactful as a vote after hearing a case - it's disingenuous to discount the impact of such a vote.

It may be the case that Roberts votes left at times to make the himself seem less partisan - he does seem to be more of a political actor than a true constitutionalist like Scalia, who contrary to your misguided belief, voted against Republican party interests more than other conservative justices. I can't say whether Kavanaugh will turn out to play politics like Roberts, but it's definitely not the case for Alito, wasn't for Scalia and doesn't appear to be for Gorsuch that they cross over due to political pressure. That's just simply not true - they have lifetime appointments, what pressure do they face? It seems much more the case that those three apply the constitution more consistently than the other justices who vote strictly along partisan lines (RBG, Soto and Kagan) or crossover to play politics like Roberts.

So to make sure I understand your position, by name calling you're merely pointing out how far right I am and not meaning to offend or demean, however futile that attempt may be? That's interesting. Seems unlikely that even you would believe that. And I've never tried to say I wasn't very conservative, ever. Although, I'm probably more libertarian and certainly more of an independent than a staunch GOP supporter, as you often accuse me of being.

 

[biggunsbob]

it's not the point that leftist justices vote left a lot. That's not even close to the point. It's that in pivotal cases they NEVER vote against their party's position. Roberts who you say is a hardline conservative voted with the liberal justices in 5 pivotal cases - Obamacare being a tax and therefore, constitutional (something he was dead wrong about) being the most significant. I'm surprised you don't remember that one. And a vote not to hear a case favoring the left is just as impactful as a vote after hearing a case - it's disingenuous to discount the impact of such a vote.

It may be the case that Roberts votes left at times to make the himself seem less partisan - he does seem to be more of a political actor than a true constitutionalist like Scalia, who contrary to your misguided belief, voted against Republican party interests more than other conservative justices. I can't say whether Kavanaugh will turn out to play politics like Roberts, but it's definitely not the case for Alito, wasn't for Scalia and doesn't appear to be for Gorsuch that they cross over due to political pressure. That's just simply not true - they have lifetime appointments, what pressure do they face? It seems much more the case that those three apply the constitution more consistently than the other justices who vote strictly along partisan lines (RBG, Soto and Kagan) or crossover to play politics like Roberts.

So to make sure I understand your position, by name calling you're merely pointing out how far right I am and not meaning to offend or demean, however futile that attempt may be? That's interesting. Seems unlikely that even you would believe that. And I've never tried to say I wasn't very conservative, ever. Although, I'm probably more libertarian and certainly more of an independent than a staunch GOP supporter, as you often accuse me of being.

This is just revisionist history on Roberts and Scalia. They may vote left every now and then but you are acting like it is with every single vote. Roberts originally was siding with the conservatives on the ACA but switch for some reason. Who knows why. Kennedy tried to talk him back into voting with the conservatives but he didn’t switch back.. Again the case you mentioned above is not even a vote. The merits of the case were lacking apparently. So if will not be reviewed. I am sure some conservatives will go after planned parenthood in a different way down the road.

 

[TheVictors]

snowflake

 

[tinselwolverine]

This is just revisionist history on Roberts and Scalia. They may vote left every now and then but you are acting like it is with every single vote. Roberts originally was siding with the conservatives on the ACA but switch for some reason.

As Robert himself recently said in response to President Trump’s recent criticism of the Ninth circuit court of appeals, it’s not supposed to be Liberal/conservative or a political ideology thing-it is supposed to be about the constitutionality of laws.

Roberts got a little flak for that from people who claimed that by even saying that he was politicizing things, but oh well.

I don’t know why anyone would think that Roberts initially thought something and then changed his mind, or that any politician had any influence on the case once it had started to be heard.

The court is always pretty secluded within itself; if they believe the case has the merits of being heard by the Supreme Court they choose to hear it; After supporting and opposing arguments are made they discuss things among themselves, they vote, and depending on the outcome a majority decision is written by a person who voted with the majority and if people want they can write dissenting opinions. I think everyone can write a dissenting opinion or a secondary majority opinion.

I don’t know why you would claim that Joe Kennedy had anything to do with this process.

I’m pretty sure Robert wrote the majority opinion that the ACA is constitutional.

As I recall, in his opinion Roberts laid out the governments arguments,which were threefold.

I don’t exactly remember the first two-I knew them at y time of the decision and I guess I could go back and look them up again-but the first two arguments were rejected by the majority as unconstitutional; however, the third argument that the ACA was in fact a tax was supported as a constitutional prerogative of the government to levy such a tax and therefore stood up to the scrutiny of judicial review.

Ironic that before that Obama and the ACA supporters steadfastly argued that it was not a tax, but that’s politics for ya.

Edit: Oh I just realized I guess you meant Anthony Kennedy who would have been on the court at the time. Joe Kennedy is in the house of representatives and he is of course of the fabled and legendary Kennedy clan, the namesake and great-grandson of President John F Kennedy’s father.

EDIT 2: Last paragraph under the Anti-Injunction Act section.

 

[Spartanmack]

snowflake

you have about as much chance of offending me as bob does. now run along, go count your money, measure your penis or check to see how your wife is aging - it's been awhile since you've updated us on those things.

 

[Spartanmack]

This is just revisionist history on Roberts and Scalia. They may vote left every now and then but you are acting like it is with every single vote. Roberts originally was siding with the conservatives on the ACA but switch for some reason. Who knows why. Kennedy tried to talk him back into voting with the conservatives but he didn’t switch back.. Again the case you mentioned above is not even a vote. The merits of the case were lacking apparently. So if will not be reviewed. I am sure some conservatives will go after planned parenthood in a different way down the road.

I'm not acting at all like it's every single vote - that statement is just nonsense, plain and simple. I've called both Roberts and Kavanaugh conservative justices at least 3 times in this thread alone. And I took the article you posted at face value which puts the total pivotal liberal votes for Roberts at just 5 without even remotely hinting that 5 is a big number, just that it's 5 more than Kagan, RBG or Sotomayor. Your claim doesn't hold any water bob - it's just another lie to deflect from the truth you refuse to admit.

Again, the fact that two conservative justices VOTED not to hear this recent case is telling - no matter how hard you try to claim it's not actual evidence that conservatives vote liberal on hot button issues more often than the reverse.