DURR it's cold outside there can't be no global warming or hurrrrr

[sggatecl]

there was another good meme using that star wars format, where the guy is "ERCOT" and he's saying "things failed because our systems weren't designed to work in the cold," and Natalie Portman's character is saying "They'll work in the heat though, right?" then repeating it more seriously.

That's a good meme. I don't know how to post it though because I don't have a linked image and don't feel like finding an image host, so I just described it to you.

It's a pretty versatile meme format, no doubt. That movie just keeps on giving despite bombing critically.

 

[Spartanmack]

Oil company leadership people are an odd mix. There are some of the "cowboy" Texan types there, but also a significant number of "former" intelligence agency spooks and military brass. It's a dirty business, and they don't play by the rules. They're above the law, and when they want to be, they are the law. Have you followed this story at all? It's insane...

Donziger's in the news again as a bunch of Dems are trying to get the DOJ to interfere in his case on his behalf. Here's some context shockingly missing from the previously linked piece...

From the 1960s to the 1990s, a subsidiary of Texaco was involved in drilling for oil in the Ecuadorian jungle. In the 1970s, an oil company owned by the government of that country took majority control of the consortium. In 1992, Texaco sold its remaining interests to the Ecuador-owned company, and in 1998, the country confirmed that Texaco had successfully performed agreed-upon environmental cleanup and released it from future claims. The Ecuadorian company continued to operate in the area.

Donziger had worked as a journalist in Latin America, and attended Harvard Law School with the grandson of a former Ecuadorian president. Donziger said of Ecuadorian judges, ?They?re all corrupt? These judges are really not very bright.?

In 2003, he filed a lawsuit in that country against Chevron, which had since bought Texaco, asking for money for environmental cleanup. ?You can solve anything with politics as long as that judges are intelligent enough to understand the politics. They don?t have to be intelligent enough to understand the law,? he later said.

In 2011, the Ecuadorian judge, Nicolas Zambrano, ordered Chevron to pay $8.6 billion, which would double unless it issued an apology within 15 days.

Donziger and his team were purportedly representing a class of 30,000 indigenous residents. But they asked for any funds to go to a group that, as Kaplan later described, ?Donziger and some of his Ecuadorian associates controlled.?

Donziger stood to gain more than $600 million in fees, plus ?control of or influence over the billions? that would go to the group that would oversee the cleanup fund.

Chevron did not pay, contending that the judgment was the result of foreign judicial corruption. The battle for the money wound up in the U.S. courts ?where Judge Kaplan, who was appointed by the bench to Bill Clinton, found that Chevron was right.

In 2003, Donziger hired a scientist, David Russell, to provide evidence about environmental damage from oil companies in the area. Russell provided an early estimate of some $6 billion. But he had merely driven by some of the sites at 40 or 50 miles an hour, and did not analyze any soil or water samples.

Russell described the figure as a ?wild ass guess? and cautioned Donziger not to put too much stock in it. After Donziger ran with the figure, Russell cautioned that it was ?wildly inaccurate and that it should not be used.? Donziger?s team refused to pay him, and kept using the number.

Donziger hired a second scientific expert, Charles Calmbacher, who wrote another report, but Calmbacher later testified that he did not recognize what was ultimately submitted to the court in his name. Donziger?s team had asked him to sign a blank page, and apparently put a fake report above his signature.

By 2004, the team took samples that indicated that the contamination appeared to be more recent ? corresponding to drilling by Ecuador?s nationally-owned gas company after Texaco had left the country. A researcher said Donziger asked him to stop the tests because they ?would be counterproductive to the case.? They switched to a less reliable measure which could not differentiate between newer and older damage, and was more likely to give a false positive.

The Ecuadorian judge was facing unrelated sexual misconduct allegations, which Donziger sought to use to his advantage. He said ?we want to send a message to the court that, ?don?t f**k with us anymore ? not now and not ? not later, and never.? Donziger wrote in his journal that ?The judge needs to fear us for this to move how it needs to move.?

The judge appointed a scientific expert, Richard Cabrera, who would report directly to the court and be independent from either side. But Donziger?s team set up a secret bank account to pay Cabrera.

Donziger?s team communicated using code names, referring to the judge as the ?puppet? or ?cook? and the expert as the ?waiter.?

As part of his media strategy, Donziger recruited a film crew to make a documentary about his crusade, and outtakes from the film captured his interactions with Cabrera, which Donziger told the crew were ?off the record.?

In 2008, a report was submitted in Cabrera?s name setting the damage at $16.3 billion. Donziger later admitted that a Denver-based firm he had hired, Stratus Consulting, wrote most of the report in the ?independent? expert?s name, at Donziger?s direction. One of the lawyers on Donziger?s team wrote in 2010 that ?all of us, your attorneys, might go to jail.?

A Philadelphia lawyer named Joseph Kohn had been funding the case, but Kohn eventually wrote that Donziger was pumping him for money to fund ?extravagance? while refusing to ?come clean? about what was really going on. ?I now know that Mr. Donziger did not tell me the truth. It is now clear to me that Mr. Donziger deceived and defrauded me,? he testified.

In 2011, Ecuadorian judge Zambrano issued his ruling ordering Chevron to pay. But portions of his 188-page ruling were identical to internal documents written by Donziger?s team ? documents that had not been made public or filed with the court. Some even contained the same typos.

Forced to answer in U.S. court for such issues, Zambrano claimed that he paid an 18-year old girl $15 a day to help him write it. The opinion cited legal authorities in multiple languages which neither the girl nor the judge spoke.

Emails showed that Donziger?s team had appeared to assign an intern to work on ?the judgement.? Donziger later testified that it was ?possible? a member of his team wrote a proposed judgment for the judge.

Another Ecuadorian judge who was previously assigned to the case, Alberto Guerra Bastidas, testified that Donziger?s team promised to pay Zambrano $500,000 to throw the case. Bank records showed that Donziger?s team had also paid Guerra.

Confronted with mounting evidence of fraud, Donziger told the U.S. court he couldn?t remember basic details, answering ?I don?t know? or ?I don?t recall? to ?nearly every substantive question posed to him.?

 

[Spartanmack]

Huh, it's almost as if they only cover the parts of the story that fit their narrative. Journalism!

 

[Michchamp]

Huh, it's almost as if they only cover the parts of the story that fit their narrative. Journalism!

sure. and that's what you & the Daily Wire do as well.

But regardless of what people say and do, climate change IS happening, IS due to mankind's burning of fossil fuels, the oil companies have known this since at least the 70's -if not earlier - and have spent billions of dollars to fund misinformation campaigns about it, "scientific" research opposing it, and lobbying efforts to undermine all attempts to curb our reliance on fossil fuels.

 

[Spartanmack]

sure. and that's what you & the Daily Wire do as well.

But regardless of what people say and do, climate change IS happening, IS due to mankind's burning of fossil fuels, the oil companies have known this since at least the 70's -if not earlier - and have spent billions of dollars to fund misinformation campaigns about it, "scientific" research opposing it, and lobbying efforts to undermine all attempts to curb our reliance on fossil fuels.

could you provide some examples please? Remember, you're the guy who constantly clams up after being proved wrong. See post #282 for an example.

I don't suppose you have any proof for the other assertions as well, but please provide some if you do.

 

[Michchamp]

could you provide some examples please? ...

I know you have the memory of a goldfish, but that's been done several times on this board already, by different posters.

 

[Spartanmack]

I know you have the memory of a goldfish, but that's been done several times on this board already, by different posters.

so, the answer is no you can't.

 

[zyxt9]

There have been some interesting new research and experiments on removing CO2 from the air. Seems that will be the next solar panel / wind turbine / electric vehicle type of industry

 

[Spartanmack]

There have been some interesting new research and experiments on removing CO2 from the air. Seems that will be the next solar panel / wind turbine / electric vehicle type of industry

carbon sequestration or is this something else?

 

[sggatecl]

It's a pretty versatile meme format, no doubt. That movie just keeps on giving despite bombing critically.

A month earlier than last year. Spectacular.

Texas grid operator calls for power conservation as temperatures, prices soar

Record temperatures have pushed up demand for air conditioning, contributing to soaring wholesale prices this week. The call for residents to conserve came after prices soared to more than $4,000 per megawatt hour (MWH) in Houston briefly on Friday afternoon, from less than $6 MWH earlier.

The Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) said six generation plants, providing 2,900 megawatts (MW), tripped offline on Friday afternoon. All of the grid's generation facilities had resumed operation, Interim ERCOT Chief Executive Brad Jones said in a revised statement.

Texas: "We have freedom from the oppressive regulations of the federal power grid!"

Also Texas: "Set your AC to 78 or the Freedom Grid will explode!"

 

[tinselwolverine]

It's a pretty versatile meme format, no doubt. That movie just keeps on giving despite bombing critically.

Just wait ?til this Juneteenth.

It?s gonna keep on giving in more ways than imaginable, no doubt.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_lOT2p_FCvA

Wesley Crusher!

 

[Michchamp]

You kinda wonder if the rest of the country is a difference of degree or kind. I mean the same type of assholes are managing every utility across the country, under-investing in infrastructure & durability so they can pay the execs and upper management the biggest bonuses possible.

I think the scale's big enough that regional issues will always have somewhere else to draw power from, but I also lived through the Blackout of 2003, and that was really bad.

 

[tinselwolverine]

You kinda wonder if the rest of the country is a difference of degree or kind. I mean the same type of assholes are managing every utility across the country, under-investing in infrastructure & durability so they can pay the execs and upper management the biggest bonuses possible.

I think the scale's big enough that regional issues will always have somewhere else to draw power from, but I also lived through the Blackout of 2003, and that was really bad.

Here in California, they also use that under invested money to make huge donations to Newsom for Governor, along with other California elected officials in the Kaabal.

 

[Spartanmack]

You kinda wonder if the rest of the country is a difference of degree or kind. I mean the same type of assholes are managing every utility across the country, under-investing in infrastructure & durability so they can pay the execs and upper management the biggest bonuses possible.

I think the scale's big enough that regional issues will always have somewhere else to draw power from, but I also lived through the Blackout of 2003, and that was really bad.

How much would they need to cut executive pay in order to upgrade the infrastructure? Can they do it? If they cut executive and upper management pay by 100%, would that be enough? If I had to guess, I'd say that was a drop in the bucket compared to what's needed for infrastructure upgrades. Do you know the number? I'm guessing you do since you're constantly whining how literally everyone lives in poverty, we have shoddy infrastructure, lack of high speed rail, etc because of c suite compensation and mega yachts. So could it be done? What's the number?

 

[sggatecl]

Alaska snow crab season canceled as officials investigate disappearance of an estimated 1 billion crabs

In a major blow to America's seafood industry, the Alaska Department of Fish and Game has, for the first time in state history, canceled the winter snow crab season in the Bering Sea due to their falling numbers. While restaurant menus will suffer, scientists worry what the sudden population plunge means for the health of the Arctic ecosystem.

An estimated one billion crabs have mysteriously disappeared in two years, state officials said. It marks a 90% drop in their population.

Ben Daly, a researcher with ADF&G, is investigating where the crabs have gone. He monitors the health of the state's fisheries, which produce 60% of the nation's seafood.

"Disease is one possibility," Daly told CBS News.

He also points to climate change. According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Alaska is the fastest warming state in the country, and is losing billions of tons of ice each year ? critical for crabs that need cold water to survive.

"Environmental conditions are changing rapidly," Daly said. "We've seen warm conditions in the Bering Sea the last couple of years, and we're seeing a response in a cold adapted species, so it's pretty obvious this is connected. It is a canary in a coal mine for other species that need cold water."

 

[JScottWriter]

Alaska snow crab season canceled as officials investigate disappearance of an estimated 1 billion crabs

Damn Deadliest Catch is just going to show boats sitting at docks.

 

[Michchamp]

Damn Deadliest Catch is just going to show boats sitting at docks.

they can put the cast of Jersey Shore on one of them to stir up drama they can film.

 

[Michchamp]

the Mississippi River below St. Louis is also disappearing. No big deal though, right?

 

[Michchamp]

oh. not just the mississippi... basically all rivers west of it and that feed into it are drying up, as is the Great Salt Lake (link)

None of the climate change predictions I've read include "all the rivers drying up, like NOW" in their consequences... usually it's like "By 2100, temperatures and sea levels may have increased by a bit, reducing GDP by 5%

 

[tinselwolverine]

oh. not just the mississippi... basically all rivers west of it and that feed into it are drying up, as is the Great Salt Lake (link)

None of the climate change predictions I've read include "all the rivers drying up, like NOW" in their consequences... usually it's like "By 2100, temperatures and sea levels may have increased by a bit, reducing GDP by 5%

Yeah, either way, I?ll be dead.