Follow-up to argument about birth control, catholicism, & ACA

[KAWDUP]

Not really. many calamities would be manageable if not for over-population.

Yeah I hate you - that is why I answer your posts and take your stupid ass bait all the time. You are certainly allowed to believe what you want champ about what I think about you, I can't stop you, but for someone who throws around sarcasm like candy, you sure seem like you have a pretty thin skin when it comes back your way.

. . . as far as your over-population calamity - if you can draw a direct correlation to anything else in this thread, I would be happy to engage, but just because I am "squishy" on your stated issue, I always was talking about the here and now and the ACA and Catholics in this country. I will attempt to stay out of the "contraception will put you on the road to hell" discussion, and stick with "I would prefer my tax dollars not pay for it."

 

[KAWDUP]

this thread is (or was) pretty narrowly focused on the idiotic claim that the ACA infringed on First Amendment rights of the free practice of religion.

personally, I don't defend the ACA... I think it's more garbage corrupt corporate control (via government subsidy & regulation) of what should be a basic human right to some extent. The lobbyists wrote themselves another massive handout under Obama, just like they did with that prescription drug deal under Bush in '05.

maybe we can make a new thread about clearing up misconceptions and bagging on this boondoggle that convinces people government is the problem while ignoring the massive profits the industry is reaping as a result of the lack of there being a public option for healthcare? I mean, we're blaming "government" when the elected officials are just passing the laws that the industry lobbyists want them to pass.

the State of Vermont is rolling out a public healthcare option available to all residents in a few years. the law already passed. Vermont is a good example of what's possible, since the state doesn't have a lot of big business money controlling its government. it's more like an actual democracy!

If we kept that narrow focus, two things would happen:
1) we would only be able to choose between "Champ was right and Catholics are bad."
2) this thread would never have reached the number of pages in length it has.

#1 is never gonna happen and you love #2 so quit complaining. :*)

 

[Thumb]

I don't think implied catholics are bad, it was more catholics are wrong.

And the courts seemed to agree.

 

[KAWDUP]

. . . well the Catholics aren't wrong - only misinterpreted.

The courts could most certainly be wrong. I guess time will tell.

Silly me, I really thought that is what we were discussing in this thread. You too?

 

[byco42]

I don't think implied catholics are bad, it was more catholics are wrong.

And the courts seemed to agree.

Right and wrong often has very little to do with how courts adjudicate cases.

 

[Thumb]

Right and wrong often has very little to do with how courts adjudicate cases.

The definition of right and wrong is often different to different people depending on their backgrounds, religion, race, sex, socioeconomic status, etc.

In most of the Arab world they think it's wrong for a woman to drive a car.

In this country many people think it's wrong for anyone to question how many AP rounds can fit in a magazine for their AR-15.

 

[Michchamp]

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In this country many people think it's wrong for anyone to question how many AP rounds can fit in a magazine for their AR-15.

hey... do not betray the People of the Gun.

 

[Sbee]

If you think it's government's purview to provide birth control to women, then your point is valid. I don't think that it is. Either one. Women already have access to it. So opposing Obamacare unilaterally and the specific clause of its covering birth control is as much a civic and political conviction than a religious one. I don't think the government should provide people with shoes or LED screens either. And the absurd spin that "women's health" and "birth control" are positively related in any way deliberately obfuscates the facts that virtually every artificial birth control method that women apply is detrimental to their health.

would you be opposed to a months supply of condoms being sent to every man in the country? you'd have the same result and fewer STD's

 

[byco42]

would you be opposed to a months supply of condoms being sent to every man in the country? you'd have the same result and fewer STD's

I oppose all forms of birth control save for abstinence among unmarried men and women. That's the only form that is 100% reliable in preventing pregnancies and any STD. In our weakness, we've abandoned that idea. That said, the solution to pregnancies out of wedlock is not abortion.

 

[Sbee]

I oppose all forms of birth control save for abstinence among unmarried men and women. That's the only form that is 100% reliable in preventing pregnancies and any STD. In our weakness, we've abandoned that idea. That said, the solution to pregnancies out of wedlock is not abortion.

so you're just against sex for pleasure, or at least not sex for pleasure without the possibility of a negative consequence.

 

[byco42]

so you're just against sex for pleasure, or at least not sex for pleasure without the possibility of a negative consequence.

That's the talking point response, and it's misleading in representation of my opinion.

 

[Sbee]

That's the talking point response, and it's misleading in representation of my opinion.

then let's get your opinion, what is your thought on sex for pleasure without consequences?

 

[evolutionkb]

I oppose all forms of birth control save for abstinence among unmarried men and women. That's the only form that is 100% reliable in preventing pregnancies and any STD. In our weakness, we've abandoned that idea. That said, the solution to pregnancies out of wedlock is not abortion.

Teaching about contraception was not associated with increased risk of adolescent
sexual activity or STD. Adolescents who received comprehensive sex education had a lower risk of
pregnancy than adolescents who received abstinence-only or no sex education. ? 2008 Society for
Adolescent Medicine. All rights reserved.
Keywords: Sexually transmitted disease; Teen pregnancy; Sex

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/psychology/courses/3615/Readings/Kohler_2008.pdf