Game 16: Packers @ Lions Thread

[grandy]

Green Bay Packers (7-8) @ Detroit Lions (8-7)

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Injury Report
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Lions
C Travis Swanson (concussion) - Placed on IR
CB Nevin Lawson (concussion) - Out
DE Anthony Zettel (groin) - Questionable

Packers
WR Davante Adams (concussion) - Out
G Jahri Evans (knee) - Out
RB Aaron Jones (knee) - Out
WR Jordy Nelson (shoulder) - Out
LB Nick Perry (ankle/shoulder) - Out
TE Richard Rodgers (shoulder) - Out
WR Geronimo Allison (illness) - Questionable
LB Clay Matthews (hamstring) - Questionable
CB Damarious Randall (knee) - Questionable
T Ulrick John (back) - Questionable


Series History
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The Lions are 69-98-7 against the Packers
Last Game: 11/6/2017, Lions 30 Packers 17
Last Win in Detroit: 9/21/2014, Lions 19 Packers 7
Recent Games: The Packers have won 3 of the last 4 meetings

 

[grandy]

Football Outsiders Stats

Ranks in parentheses. For info on acronyms and definitions, click on the links.

Team Efficiency

Total DVOA (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average)
Green Bay 2.3% (15th)
Detroit 2.1% (16th)

Weighted DVOA (DVOA adjusted for recent games)
Green Bay 0.4% (14th)
Detroit -5.2% (18th)

Offense DVOA
Green Bay 3.7% (12th)
Detroit 3.3% (13th)

Defense DVOA
Green Bay 3.2% (17th)
Detroit 6.3% (21st)

Special Teams DVOA
Detroit 5.1% (7th)
Green Bay 1.9% (13th)


Team Offense

Weighted Offense DVOA
Detroit 4.8% (11th)
Green Bay 1.9% (14th)

Pass Offense
Detroit 21.4% (12th)
Green Bay 2.4% (20th)

Rush Offense
Green Bay 12.8% (3rd)
Detroit -20.3% (30th)


Team Defense

Weighted Defense DVOA
Green Bay 3.8% (19th)
Detroit 13.8% (31st)

Pass Defense
Detroit 11.7% (16th)
Green Bay 19.0% (22nd)

Rush Defense
Green Bay -13.7% (8th)
Detroit -0.2% (28th)


Offensive Lines

Adjusted Line Yards
Green Bay 4.59 (5th)
Detroit 3.24 (31st)

Power Success
Green Bay 65% (12th)
Detroit 40% (32nd)

Stuffed
Green Bay 16% (4th)
Detroit 27% (30th)

2nd Level Yards
Green Bay 1.12 (19th)
Detroit 0.97 (27th)

Open Field Yards
Detroit 0.56 (20th)
Green Bay 0.54 (21st)

Adjusted Sack Rate
Detroit 7.5% (21st)
Green Bay 8.2% (26th)


Defensive Lines

Adjusted Line Yards
Green Bay 4.03 (12th)
Detroit 4.34 (27th)

Power Success
Green Bay 53% (4th)
Detroit 60% (8th)

Stuffed
Green Bay 19% (23rd)
Detroit 18% (28th)

2nd Level Yards
Green Bay 1.12 (17th)
Detroit 1.26 (25th)

Open Field Yards
Green Bay 0.62 (11th)
Detroit 0.69 (15th)

Adjusted Sack Rate
Green Bay 7.5% (9th)
Detroit 5.7% (24th)


Drive Stats

Net Yards/Drive
Detroit -1.13 (18th)
Green Bay -3.44 (25th)

Net Points/Drive
Detroit 0.10 (14th)
Green Bay -0.13 (17th)

Net DSR (Drive Success Rate)
Green Bay -0.010 (17th)
Detroit -0.027 (23rd)

Offense Yards/Drive
Green Bay 31.19 (13th)
Detroit 30.56 (15th)

Offense Points/Drive
Green Bay 2.09 (10th)
Detroit 2.00 (12th)

Offense DSR
Green Bay 0.722 (7th)
Detroit 0.681 (16th)

Defense Yards/Drive
Detroit 31.68 (21st)
Green Bay 34.63 (28th)

Defense Points/Drive
Detroit 1.90 (16th)
Green Bay 2.22 (32nd)

Defense DSR
Detroit 0.709 (24th)
Green Bay 0.732 (32nd)

 

[dubbsco]

Lose the game. Nothing beneficial in any sort comes from a victory.

 

[grandy]

Lose the game. Nothing beneficial in any sort comes from a victory.

Shouldn't the Packers have the same attitude?

Could be a terrible game

 

[Tonyballs2]

Go Packers!

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Can't root against the Lions here. Hoping Stafford goes off for something like

25/30 for 350 TD's and 4 TD and finishes above 100 QB rating. Just a milestone number for good QB's. Hoping Tate gets over 1000 yds for the year, too.

 

[Tonyballs2]

Can't root against the Lions here. Hoping Stafford goes off for something like

25/30 for 350 TD's and 4 TD and finishes above 100 QB rating. Just a milestone number for good QB's. Hoping Tate gets over 1000 yds for the year, too.

Stafford should be in street clothes for this one. What if he goes down with a serious injury?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Stafford should be in street clothes for this one. What if he goes down with a serious injury?

To be fair.....you could say that about ANY game he plays.

The opposition to your point is if he did get hurt.....he's got 7 months to get well.

 

[tigermud]

Skipping this one, hope they just let all the he backups play it out

 

[sggatecl]

To be fair.....you could say that about ANY game he plays.

But not every game is irrelevant as this one.

The opposition to your point is if he did get hurt.....he's got 7 months to get well.

I would point out that NFL players missing time at the beginning of the season due to lingering off season surgeries is not something out of the ordinary.

 

[sggatecl]

This is a can't lose situation in my eyes. Win and you swept the Packers, lose and you improve draft standing. It's extremely improbable at the end of this game that I'm discouraged by the results.

 

[Tonyballs2]

To be fair.....you could say that about ANY game he plays.

The opposition to your point is if he did get hurt.....he's got 7 months to get well.

THIS isn't any other game though. This is a pointless fucking preseason game. 7 months to get well??? There's no way you're serious lol. You want him to play for what? So he can pad his fkn stats? Cmon bruh...that's crazy talk lol. We already know he's not the problem (Well, the smart ones do). Play your backups. See what you got at the end of the yr...evaluate a bit. This organization is already a laughing stock. Imagine a serious injury to Stafford, Tate or MJ??? The media would have a friggin field day. Fuck Caldwell and fuck the players numbers....

 

[Tonyballs2]

This is a can't lose situation in my eyes. Win and you swept the Packers, lose and you improve draft standing. It's extremely improbable at the end of this game that I'm discouraged by the results.

Oh, they'll come out and win because that's what they do. Especially if they play their starters for 4 quarters lol

 

[kdp1980]

Play your backups. See what you got at the end of the yr

Yep. Get Ruddock some pt, get Tion Green 20 carries. Get Billingsly some reps, rest anybody that has been impactful this year. Quin needs to step in and make sure Caldwell does not fuck anything up on his way out. Its like giving your gf the boot and watching her pack her shit to make sure she doesn't take anything that doesn't belong to her, or destroy anything on her way out

 

[manchild98]

Unless they already told Caldwell he's going to be fired tomorrow or Quinn told him to play back-ups to evaluate talent, etc. then Stafford and the starters are playing the entire game.

 

[grandy]

The way this franchise conducts business just bothers me sometimes. If they've already made a decision they should let Caldwell know. If this pointless game factors into their decision whatsoever, then they're fucking stupid.

 

[Tonyballs2]

The way this franchise conducts business just bothers me sometimes. If they've already made a decision they should let Caldwell know. If this pointless game factors into their decision whatsoever, then they're fucking stupid.

I think Caldwell already knows he's history...

 

[biggunsbob]

Tony is right but this franchise is clueless. I hope the crowd is thin but I doubt it will be. I'm going to watch a bit then head to a movie. Hopefully the Lions will have a new coach in place soon with a solid draft plan.

 

[grandy]

The current discussion is McCarthy's weight.....you can tell it's week 17

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Typical Caldwell start. Everyone looks lost. Special teams not prepared.....offense looks like the plan WAS to punt! Mission accomplished JBC.......mission accomplished.