Hindsight Draft Game

[LKP]

Several people on here think tfans can do better than the GM. Let's do the hindsight draft for 2015.

Pick who you think we should have taken. They have to be available on or after our pick. (we'll ignore that one changed pick can change the whole draft and the fact that some rookies will get more carries/targets/playing time due to bad veterans competing with them on the same team).

No trades up but you can decline to do Mayhew's trades in Round 1 and 3 and 4.

We'll re-visit this draft after 2015 and after 2016.

I'll go
Stay at 23 DJ Humphries. Damn already not deep at G/C. Sign Sims I guess.
54 Ali Marpet
Trade up to 80 RB David Johnson (lose our FB we got)
Same trade for Gabe Wright (give up 3rd in 2016)
Round 6 Ifo Ekpre Olomu CB
Round 7 La'el Collins. Worth the risk

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Several people on here think tfans can do better than the GM. Let's do the hindsight draft for 2015.

Pick who you think we should have taken. They have to be available on or after our pick. (we'll ignore that one changed pick can change the whole draft and the fact that some rookies will get more carries/targets/playing time due to bad veterans competing with them on the same team).

No trades up but you can decline to do Mayhew's trades in Round 1 and 3 and 4.

We'll re-visit this draft after 2015 and after 2016.

I'll go
Stay at 23 DJ Humphries. Damn already not deep at G/C. Sign Sims I guess.
54 Ali Marpet
Trade up to 80 RB David Johnson (lose our FB we got)
Same trade for Gabe Wright (give up 3rd in 2016)
Round 6 Ifo Ekpre Olomu CB
Round 7 La'el Collins. Worth the risk

Alright......ill play this game......

I'll stay in the same slots.....picking up Manny Ramirez too......

1. Malcom Brown DT
2. Jalen Strong WR
3. Jeremy Langford RB
4. Brett Hundley QB
5. Tyruss Thompson OT-OG
6. Ifo Ekpre Olomu CB
7. Corey Robinson OT-OG

 

[tomdalton22]

hell....I'll play as well. Same trades.

1. Malcom Brown
2. Randy Gregory
3. Langford
4. Doran Grant
5. Michael Bennett
6. Ifo Ekpre Olomu
7. La'el Collins

 

[mhughes0021]

1) Malcom Brown DT
2) Ali Marpet G
3) Jeremy Langford RB (no trade up)
4) N/A (no trade up)
5a Brett Hundley QB
5b Michael Bennett DT
6) Ifo CB
7) Corey Robinson OT
***keep my 3rd next year***

 

[LKP]

Brown/Bennett vs Wright/Reid/Walker.
Abdullah vs Langford vs Johnson
Tomlinson vs Marpet vs Tyruss Thompson
Ifo/Grant vs Carter/Diggs
Humphries vs Waddle/Lucas/Robinson so far
Hundley probably won't play. That'll be tough to judge.

Gregory and Strong the wildcards

 

[mhughes0021]

Brown/Bennett vs Wright/Reid/Walker.
Abdullah vs Langford vs Johnson
Tomlinson vs Marpet vs Tyruss Thompson
Ifo/Grant vs Carter/Diggs
Humphries vs Waddle/Lucas/Robinson so far
Hundley probably won't play. That'll be tough to judge.

Gregory and Strong the wildcards

all depends on if the run game ACTUALLY improves. If you spend high round picks on guards and RBs they need to produce. If we continue to run the ball for 3 ypc....then it will be hard to say we couoldnt get the same production from players chosen later in the draft. Likewise, if we take adullah early in the 2nd then just feed Bell the ball....I wont understand the pick. Abdullah can be huge in this offense....if they decide to use him.

 

[inkfreq]

1) Malcom Brown DT
2) Ali Marpet G
3) Jeremy Langford RB (no trade up)
4) N/A (no trade up)
5a Brett Hundley QB
5b Michael Bennett DT
6) Ifo CB
7) Corey Robinson OT
***keep my 3rd next year***

I like the draft. However, I probably (since i get the benefit of hindsight) still would have traded up in the 4th to get Gabe.

Blow a pick next year, but get it right back in a compensatory pick for Suh, but it gives me another solid DT to build around with another year of experience in the system.

That having been said, in the 5th round, I would have taken Dezmin Lewis with my second pick instead of Bennett.

 

[mhughes0021]

I like the draft. However, I probably (since i get the benefit of hindsight) still would have traded up in the 4th to get Gabe.

Blow a pick next year, but get it right back in a compensatory pick for Suh, but it gives me another solid DT to build around with another year of experience in the system.

That having been said, in the 5th round, I would have taken Dezmin Lewis with my second pick instead of Bennett.

I love the gabe wright pick. ....but I'm sure I'll love players in rd 3 next year more. Bennett slid cause of his size....but he can penetrate just as good as anyone in the draft. With brown picked in the first, bennett would only have to be used in obvious passing situations.

Getting gabe wright in the 4th was great....i just cringe at losing rd 3 picks. You can probably get a top 30 dt with a couple years left on his contact for a 3rd rd pick.

 

[inkfreq]

I love the gabe wright pick. ....but I'm sure I'll love players in rd 3 next year more. Bennett slid cause of his size....but he can penetrate just as good as anyone in the draft. With brown picked in the first, bennett would only have to be used in obvious passing situations.

Getting gabe wright in the 4th was great....i just cringe at losing rd 3 picks. You can probably get a top 30 dt with a couple years left on his contact for a 3rd rd pick.

Can't dispute that at all. What you put together is a solid hindsight draft. I just don't think we've done enough long term to address the interior D-line, and would have liked to bulk that up with starters and depth.

I personally don't trust Haloti not to get hurt. I have no clue if Walker can be a starter, though I feel like he can. Behind him we have two young DTs with a lot to prove.

I like that we attacked our run deficiencies in this draft, but if I had a do-over, and wanted to change that strategy, the D-line would be a great place to focus.

 

[mhughes0021]

Can't dispute that at all. What you put together is a solid hindsight draft. I just don't think we've done enough long term to address the interior D-line, and would have liked to bulk that up with starters and depth.

I personally don't trust Haloti not to get hurt. I have no clue if Walker can be a starter, though I feel like he can. Behind him we have two young DTs with a lot to prove.

I like that we attacked our run deficiencies in this draft, but if I had a do-over, and wanted to change that strategy, the D-line would be a great place to focus.

Ya.....even 2 weeks ago I tell you shane ray and randy Gregory are there are 23......

now I don't think either one of them fits our defense very well...and both are absolute boneheads. But there was a lot of dline talent there to chose from at 23.

Cant knock one bit how well mayhew did drafting high character guys...one after another. They are all guys you want to root for.

 

[wheels002]

I dont understand all the love for Marpet over Tomlinson. Marpet had a good week at the senior bowl and a good combine but he is very risky. People have bashed Tomlinson for playing in the ACC and they didnt have get defenses but yet Marpet played ball in division 3. You have no way of knowing if he can handle the speed and the power in the NFL and the Bucs drafted him to start. He may turn out good in a few years but I would rather have Tomlinson. We are in a win now position and we needed a Guard and he was the best.

 

[mhughes0021]

I dont understand all the love for Marpet over Tomlinson. Marpet had a good week at the senior bowl and a good combine but he is very risky. People have bashed Tomlinson for playing in the ACC and they didnt have get defenses but yet Marpet played ball in division 3. You have no way of knowing if he can handle the speed and the power in the NFL and the Bucs drafted him to start. He may turn out good in a few years but I would rather have Tomlinson. We are in a win now position and we needed a Guard and he was the best.

its not "over him"....its who is there in the 2nd round and available at that time. I went malcom Brown "over him" cause I thought it was a better fit for value and need. im sure now ill get 500 people try to explain to me that value doesn't matter lol....but that's just how I feel.

I could also argue the "he was the best" comment.....scherff, flowers and peat were all selected in the top 13 and expected to start their careers at guard. They were projected to be better than Tomlinson. If you are referring to at the time....Dj Humphries was projected to be a better olineman than Tomlinson if we stayed at 23. After the trade down....yes he was probably the best Guard prospect on the board. Its debatable if you really need to select a guard that high....we could have selected one in rds 2 or 3 and still improved our line play. I chose to do so in rd 2. Yes, I agree marpet was a high riser that played vs poor competition. Tomlinson played at duke....which also played vs pretty awful football programs lol. Much better than marpet though...agreed.

ive already gotten killed for my opnion enough....but I suspect tomlinsons character and our need propelled him into the first round. Whereas other people magically think every GM had him as a first round talent and our GM magically got him at pick 28 (homerism at its finest).

 

[LKP]

its not "over him"....its who is there in the 2nd round and available at that time. I went malcom Brown "over him" cause I thought it was a better fit for value and need. im sure now ill get 500 people try to explain to me that value doesn't matter lol....but that's just how I feel.

I could also argue the "he was the best" comment.....scherff, flowers and peat were all selected in the top 13 and expected to start their careers at guard. They were projected to be better than Tomlinson. If you are referring to at the time....Dj Humphries was projected to be a better olineman than Tomlinson if we stayed at 23. After the trade down....yes he was probably the best Guard prospect on the board. Its debatable if you really need to select a guard that high....we could have selected one in rds 2 or 3 and still improved our line play. I chose to do so in rd 2. Yes, I agree marpet was a high riser that played vs poor competition. Tomlinson played at duke....which also played vs pretty awful football programs lol. Much better than marpet though...agreed.

ive already gotten killed for my opnion enough....but I suspect tomlinsons character and our need propelled him into the first round. Whereas other people magically think every GM had him as a first round talent and our GM magically got him at pick 28 (homerism at its finest).

You are assuming the other 31 GMs didn't have Laken at late 1st round or early 2nd round value. You only gave your opinion and non GMs opinions. The other 31 GMs and Mayhew is what matters. Laken is a good prospect that fills a need after a trade down. Laken plus trade is good value. Brown could suck. Laken could suck. Even if you say Brown will be good and is better value, you still don't actually know. It's just a guess. Laken could have been ahead of Brown on many draft boards. We don't know.

 

[tomdalton22]

You are assuming the other 31 GMs didn't have Laken at late 1st round or early 2nd round value. You only gave your opinion and non GMs opinions. The other 31 GMs and Mayhew is what matters. Laken is a good prospect that fills a need after a trade down. Laken plus trade is good value. Brown could suck. Laken could suck. Even if you say Brown will be good and is better value, you still don't actually know. It's just a guess. Laken could have been ahead of Brown on many draft boards. We don't know.

yes...and you don't know either. The only thing we do know is Mayhew didn't feel that Laken was worth the #23 pick and 27 other GMs had him rated inferior to the players they actually selected.

 

[mhughes0021]

You are assuming the other 31 GMs didn't have Laken at late 1st round or early 2nd round value. You only gave your opinion and non GMs opinions. The other 31 GMs and Mayhew is what matters. Laken is a good prospect that fills a need after a trade down. Laken plus trade is good value. Brown could suck. Laken could suck. Even if you say Brown will be good and is better value, you still don't actually know. It's just a guess. Laken could have been ahead of Brown on many draft boards. We don't know.

i never disagreed with any of this by the way. I only ever tried to argue that it was a reach. Which you stubborn bastards cant come to grips with lol.

 

[LKP]

i never disagreed with any of this by the way. I only ever tried to argue that it was a reach. Which you stubborn bastards cant come to grips with lol.

You don't know if it's a reach. All 32 GMs could have had him rated number 28.

 

[LKP]

yes...and you don't know either. The only thing we do know is Mayhew didn't feel that Laken was worth the #23 pick and 27 other GMs had him rated inferior to the players they actually selected.

I know he has talent. I know he's worth 28 based on talent and need. Mayhew felt the same way. Nobody cares if someone thinks otherwise. He's a Lion. Deal with it.

 

[tomdalton22]

I know he has talent. I know he's worth 28 based on talent and need. Mayhew felt the same way. Nobody cares if someone thinks otherwise. He's a Lion. Deal with it.

they all have talent.

You know he is worth 28 based on talent and need? You went into the draft saying that they were set at starters and the draft was for "depth only". According to you they didn't need anything.

As far as him being a Lion and "deal with it"...I don't know where that is coming from. I am fine with it.

 

[LKP]

they all have talent.

You know he is worth 28 based on talent and need? You went into the draft saying that they were set at starters and the draft was for "depth only". According to you they didn't need anything.

As far as him being a Lion and "deal with it"...I don't know where that is coming from. I am fine with it.

They were set. At every position but LG. And I knew they could get Sims. But they went the young talent route. It was a great pick with good value based on his talent. And then we added depth just like I said at RB, CB and DT.

According to what happened, I was right.

 

[tomdalton22]

They were set. At every position but LG. And I knew they could get Sims. But they went the young talent route. It was a great pick with good value based on his talent. And then we added depth just like I said at RB, CB and DT.

According to what happened, I was right.

everyone knew what they needed...it was very obvious.