Hindsight Draft Game

[tonyballs]

once again you fail to comprehend. I was asking for your facts....never said anything about my mock being fact...retard.

And other peoples mocks aren't fact either. Get it through your head, dummy.

 

[LKP]

Mocks aren't even rankings either. Mocks match needs with teams alot. Until we get all 32 GMs rankings/big board, then we'll never know.

 

[tonyballs]

Mocks aren't even rankings either. Mocks match needs with teams alot. Until we get all 32 GMs rankings/big board, then we'll never know.

But didn't you hear? Mayhew was the only one that had Tomlinson in the 1st rd. Hughes said so. He was in every single war room, on the phones with GM's and scouts...the whole shabang lol

 

[LKP]

But didn't you hear? Mayhew was the only one that had Tomlinson in the 1st rd. Hughes said so. He was in every single war room, on the phones with GM's and scouts...the whole shabang lol

Laken is a good player clearly. We'll see if his skillset translate quickly to the NFL. Hughes needed something to complain about so he made up this reach opinion of his. It's clearly not a fact even if people like Kiper/Mayock share that opinion. Still not a fact.

 

[tonyballs]

Laken is a good player clearly. We'll see if his skillset translate quickly to the NFL. Hughes needed something to complain about so he made up this reach opinion of his. It's clearly not a fact even if people like Kiper/Mayock share that opinion. Still not a fact.

The kid's going to be a stud here.

 

[inkfreq]

Laken is a good player clearly. We'll see if his skillset translate quickly to the NFL. Hughes needed something to complain about so he made up this reach opinion of his. It's clearly not a fact even if people like Kiper/Mayock share that opinion. Still not a fact.

I don't think Hughes made up the opinion.

There is a growing culture around the draft, and one the NFL has propagated to make the draft a multi-million dollar revenue stream.

The mocks. The expert takes. Draft rankings. It's become a large affair.

But the end result is the fans at large don't seem to understand that it all means nothing. Those are the uninformed opinions of reporters, journalists, bloggers, and beat writers. The draft projections are not the draft ranking of scouts and GMs.

The popular belief is that those projections are gospel, the mocks are intelligently written, and the reporters know more than the general managers.

When someone goes earlier than the "experts" predicted they would, the word reach inevitably comes out. But very few people are intelligent enough to realize the experts really don't know jack or shit. They are making it up, based on what they feel the team needs, is trying to achieve, and where they think players fall that meet those needs.

Look at EVERY single mock draft for this year prior to the draft. I will bet you they all say something about the Lions always drafting BPA. They assumed the Lions would take specific players because they fit the profile of previous drafts, and what the Lions have done.

You probably won't find a single one that predicted the Lions would take Tomlinson. He wasn't the best player available, but obviously the staff here felt he was the best player available that fit the goals of this team going into the draft, and where they want this team to be next season and for years to come.

Hughes is just echoing what a lot of people are saying... that there were better players on the board (perhaps true) and the pick was a reach (a word that doesn't actually apply to this scenario in context of how the term is used in the draft process).

It's not really making up something to bitch about, but it's not founded in any fact what-so-ever. It's founded based on the opinions of people who are paid in some fashion to write about their uneducated beliefs in how other people see these prospects and how those needs might, in a theoretical world, match up with where you pick.

 

[LKP]

I don't think Hughes made up the opinion.

There is a growing culture around the draft, and one the NFL has propagated to make the draft a multi-million dollar revenue stream.

The mocks. The expert takes. Draft rankings. It's become a large affair.

But the end result is the fans at large don't seem to understand that it all means nothing. Those are the uninformed opinions of reporters, journalists, bloggers, and beat writers. The draft projections are not the draft ranking of scouts and GMs.

The popular belief is that those projections are gospel, the mocks are intelligently written, and the reporters know more than the general managers.

When someone goes earlier than the "experts" predicted they would, the word reach inevitably comes out. But very few people are intelligent enough to realize the experts really don't know jack or shit. They are making it up, based on what they feel the team needs, is trying to achieve, and where they think players fall that meet those needs.

Look at EVERY single mock draft for this year prior to the draft. I will bet you they all say something about the Lions always drafting BPA. They assumed the Lions would take specific players because they fit the profile of previous drafts, and what the Lions have done.

You probably won't find a single one that predicted the Lions would take Tomlinson. He wasn't the best player available, but obviously the staff here felt he was the best player available that fit the goals of this team going into the draft, and where they want this team to be next season and for years to come.

Hughes is just echoing what a lot of people are saying... that there were better players on the board (perhaps true) and the pick was a reach (a word that doesn't actually apply to this scenario in context of how the term is used in the draft process).

It's not really making up something to bitch about, but it's not founded in any fact what-so-ever. It's founded based on the opinions of people who are paid in some fashion to write about their uneducated beliefs in how other people see these prospects and how those needs might, in a theoretical world, match up with where you pick.

Hughes didn't make up the opinion but he brought that garbage here to complain about something even though Mayhew did a good job.

Mayhew's worst draft year (2011) we made the playoffs. And we've made it since then (2014). We can make it in 2015 (and it might in part because of the 2009/2012/2013/2014/2015 draft classes or some combination of them and free agents/trades.

this roster looks damn good right now and deep. We'll see how it shows up on Sundays. Still have to play the games.

 

[mhughes0021]

Warford was better value. Laken could be good value still though. They both can be good value just one is better.

agreed...and he still fails to either

a) understand that

b) too caveman to admit it.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

I don't think Hughes made up the opinion.

There is a growing culture around the draft, and one the NFL has propagated to make the draft a multi-million dollar revenue stream.

The mocks. The expert takes. Draft rankings. It's become a large affair.

But the end result is the fans at large don't seem to understand that it all means nothing. Those are the uninformed opinions of reporters, journalists, bloggers, and beat writers. The draft projections are not the draft ranking of scouts and GMs.

The popular belief is that those projections are gospel, the mocks are intelligently written, and the reporters know more than the general managers.

When someone goes earlier than the "experts" predicted they would, the word reach inevitably comes out. But very few people are intelligent enough to realize the experts really don't know jack or shit. They are making it up, based on what they feel the team needs, is trying to achieve, and where they think players fall that meet those needs.

Look at EVERY single mock draft for this year prior to the draft. I will bet you they all say something about the Lions always drafting BPA. They assumed the Lions would take specific players because they fit the profile of previous drafts, and what the Lions have done.

You probably won't find a single one that predicted the Lions would take Tomlinson. He wasn't the best player available, but obviously the staff here felt he was the best player available that fit the goals of this team going into the draft, and where they want this team to be next season and for years to come.

Hughes is just echoing what a lot of people are saying... that there were better players on the board (perhaps true) and the pick was a reach (a word that doesn't actually apply to this scenario in context of how the term is used in the draft process).

It's not really making up something to bitch about, but it's not founded in any fact what-so-ever. It's founded based on the opinions of people who are paid in some fashion to write about their uneducated beliefs in how other people see these prospects and how those needs might, in a theoretical world, match up with where you pick.

Perfect examples of media not knowing what they are talking about sometimes is player slides like teddy bridgewater.

 

[inkfreq]

Perfect examples of media not knowing what they are talking about sometimes is player slides like teddy bridgewater.

Bridgewater was hilarious in my book.

For a year they talk about how the guy is the consensus #1 pick in the draft, best QB prospect in year, on par with Luck.

Every draftnick is up on his nuts... will in be Bridgewater or Clowney to Texas?

Then a GM, I think it was Spielman, actually comes out and says "I don't know where everyone is getting this. Every team I have talked to says he's a late first round, maybe early second round guy.

BAM! Rotoworld reports one unnamed GM says third rounder. Another says fifth!

It's clear Kiper and McShay and all the mockers had it wrong the whole time.

What do we see next? Report after reports that Bridgewater may be falling in the draft. His draft stock is dropping. Injuries may be a concern. Blah blah blah.

Not one of those morons came out and said "Hey, I was wrong. I thought he looked pretty good, but the scouts think otherwise." Nope, every one of them stuck to their guns that he WAS the #1 pick in the draft, but for mysterious reasons, was falling to the third.

And then he goes in the first round anyway! Proved those geniuses have no clue what anyone in an NFL war room is thinking. It's like they pull names out of a hat and say "Yeah, he's a first rounder".. and if they are wrong, fuck it... good value.

 

[LKP]

Bridgewater was hilarious in my book.

For a year they talk about how the guy is the consensus #1 pick in the draft, best QB prospect in year, on par with Luck.

Every draftnick is up on his nuts... will in be Bridgewater or Clowney to Texas?

Then a GM, I think it was Spielman, actually comes out and says "I don't know where everyone is getting this. Every team I have talked to says he's a late first round, maybe early second round guy.

BAM! Rotoworld reports one unnamed GM says third rounder. Another says fifth!

It's clear Kiper and McShay and all the mockers had it wrong the whole time.

What do we see next? Report after reports that Bridgewater may be falling in the draft. His draft stock is dropping. Injuries may be a concern. Blah blah blah.

Not one of those morons came out and said "Hey, I was wrong. I thought he looked pretty good, but the scouts think otherwise." Nope, every one of them stuck to their guns that he WAS the #1 pick in the draft, but for mysterious reasons, was falling to the third.

And then he goes in the first round anyway! Proved those geniuses have no clue what anyone in an NFL war room is thinking. It's like they pull names out of a hat and say "Yeah, he's a first rounder".. and if they are wrong, fuck it... good value.

Gruden was laughing at Kiper all night for saying he wouldn't take a RB when Gurley and Gordon went.

There are no "experts" except for the actual GMS. And even they get it wrong a good amount.

 

[inkfreq]

Gruden was laughing at Kiper all night for saying he wouldn't take a RB when Gurley and Gordon went.

There are no "experts" except for the actual GMS. And even they get it wrong a good amount.

Yep, Kiper took a beating over the 1st round running back comments. And he deserved to.

If you have a guy you have graded in the first round, you don't pass on him because of his position.

Even kickers have gone in the first round. Look at Janikowski. Hell, in '73, the Raiders took a kicker in the first round.

 

[sggatecl]

Bridgewater was hilarious in my book.

For a year they talk about how the guy is the consensus #1 pick in the draft, best QB prospect in year, on par with Luck.

Every draftnick is up on his nuts... will in be Bridgewater or Clowney to Texas?

Then a GM, I think it was Spielman, actually comes out and says "I don't know where everyone is getting this. Every team I have talked to says he's a late first round, maybe early second round guy.

BAM! Rotoworld reports one unnamed GM says third rounder. Another says fifth!

It's clear Kiper and McShay and all the mockers had it wrong the whole time.

What do we see next? Report after reports that Bridgewater may be falling in the draft. His draft stock is dropping. Injuries may be a concern. Blah blah blah.

Not one of those morons came out and said "Hey, I was wrong. I thought he looked pretty good, but the scouts think otherwise." Nope, every one of them stuck to their guns that he WAS the #1 pick in the draft, but for mysterious reasons, was falling to the third.

And then he goes in the first round anyway! Proved those geniuses have no clue what anyone in an NFL war room is thinking. It's like they pull names out of a hat and say "Yeah, he's a first rounder".. and if they are wrong, fuck it... good value.

Suuuuch a good post. Agree 100%.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Suuuuch a good post. Agree 100%.

Suuuuch a good gif. Agree 100%.

 

[tomdalton22]

Bridgewater was hilarious in my book.

For a year they talk about how the guy is the consensus #1 pick in the draft, best QB prospect in year, on par with Luck.

Every draftnick is up on his nuts... will in be Bridgewater or Clowney to Texas?

Then a GM, I think it was Spielman, actually comes out and says "I don't know where everyone is getting this. Every team I have talked to says he's a late first round, maybe early second round guy.

BAM! Rotoworld reports one unnamed GM says third rounder. Another says fifth!

It's clear Kiper and McShay and all the mockers had it wrong the whole time.

What do we see next? Report after reports that Bridgewater may be falling in the draft. His draft stock is dropping. Injuries may be a concern. Blah blah blah.

Not one of those morons came out and said "Hey, I was wrong. I thought he looked pretty good, but the scouts think otherwise." Nope, every one of them stuck to their guns that he WAS the #1 pick in the draft, but for mysterious reasons, was falling to the third.

And then he goes in the first round anyway! Proved those geniuses have no clue what anyone in an NFL war room is thinking. It's like they pull names out of a hat and say "Yeah, he's a first rounder".. and if they are wrong, fuck it... good value.

but maybe Kiper was right and the GMs were wrong. Bridgewater was by far the best rookie QB last year. 64.6% comp, 7.26 YPA (both better numbers than Stafford) 85.2 rating, 14 TDs and 12 picks. Johnny Eightball was terrible and Blake Bortles completed 58.9% , 6.12 YPA, 69.5 QBR, 11 TDs and 17 INTs.

 

[mhughes0021]

but maybe Kiper was right and the GMs were wrong. Bridgewater was by far the best rookie QB last year. 64.6% comp, 7.26 YPA (both better numbers than Stafford) 85.2 rating, 14 TDs and 12 picks. Johnny Eightball was terrible and Blake Bortles completed 58.9% , 6.12 YPA, 69.5 QBR, 11 TDs and 17 INTs.

I think kiper will be right about gurley too. Even after mayhew has single handedly ruined the value of a top ten pick and how they should produce. ....i doubt gurley lives up to what a top 10 pick should be. He's a great back. ....great backs just don't matter if you don't have a qb.

Conversely, great qbs can make average rbs above average.

 

[tonyballs]

I think kiper will be right about gurley too. Even after mayhew has single handedly ruined the value of a top ten pick and how they should produce. ....i doubt gurley lives up to what a top 10 pick should be. He's a great back. ....great backs just don't matter if you don't have a qb.

Conversely, great qbs can make average rbs above average.

Tell that to guys like Adrian Peterson and Arian Foster. Both have had dog shit QBs most of their careers. Gurley is a monster and will be the next great one.

 

[mhughes0021]

Tell that to guys like Adrian Peterson and Arian Foster. Both have had dog shit QBs most of their careers. Gurley is a monster and will be the next great one.

And have won nothing. Gratz on your 2 win season the other year foster! Yo ap...good job leading your team to all those last place nfc north dog fights with the lions.

True you need a competent rb to have a great run game. But you also need a great oline and a qb that can make others teams pay vs a stacked box. Depends on so much more than just the skill of the runner. Pass game to be great. ...just need a great qb.

And even if you get it all right and have a great run game. ...rarely does it equate to wins.

 

[tonyballs]

And have won nothing. Gratz on your 2 win season the other year foster! Yo ap...good job leading your team to all those last place nfc north dog fights with the lions.

True you need a competent rb to have a great run game. But you also need a great oline and a qb that can make others teams pay vs a stacked box. Depends on so much more than just the skill of the runner. Pass game to be great. ...just need a great qb.

And even if you get it all right and have a great run game. ...rarely does it equate to wins.

But we're not talking about wins. If we were, it's a whole different conversation. I just don't agree with you that the QB makes the RB. AP and Foster were just examples of being great without a QB. I can name a bunch more if you want.

Funny how you throw AP and Foster under the bus for being a shitty team, but when it comes to the Lions, you put it ALL on Stafford lol. Last time I looked, we haven't had a RB worthy of carrying AP's or Foster's jock lol

 

[Mitchrapp]

Just have to look at Barry and what he didn't have and was the best. Talking about wins, that's different.

Bottom line, some RB's need a better QB. Other's don't.