How many Lions could've started last night?

[Mitchrapp]

My point is that Pettigrew as a blocker, no matter how effective he is, is of little value to a team with no decent running back.

So if you have no WR, then Sanchez or P. Manning it doesn't matter? Lol.

 

[byco42]

compare the pass catching stats with Pitta and 'Grew then....2 less games for Pettigrew and pretty equal stats and he's not even a stretch the field type of TE.

Grew isn't there to spring RBs...he's there to keep Stafford healthy and be the hot guy...253 catches since drafted...he's doing his job.

Acknowledged.

 

[Slick]

My point is that Pettigrew as a blocker, no matter how effective he is, is of little value to a team with no decent running back.

he's not just a blocker...he's Staffords safety blanket...has avg 60+ catches , 600 yds 30+ FD catches a year since drafted.

 

[byco42]

So if you have no WR, then Sanchez or P. Manning it doesn't matter? Lol.

Apples/oranges. Great RBs will get their yards somehow.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Apples/oranges. Great RBs will get their yards somehow.

On the other side, shitty backs won't do jack even with a HOF line.

 

[mhughes0021]

im more of a bottom line kind of guy when it comes to Pettigrew and the bottom line is the run game hasn't got any better since hes been here and although hes made 253 catches...they've all been for 6 yards and he also has 253 drops. It wasn't all his fault...hes a run blocking TE that got drafted into a throwing offense and hes not dynamic at all in the pass game. Hes definitely added some value to this team no doubt.....but did we get 1st round value?....probably not. Theres a lot of TEs in the league that can do what he does imo.

 

[Slick]

im more of a bottom line kind of guy when it comes to Pettigrew and the bottom line is the run game hasn't got any better since hes been here and although hes made 253 catches...they've all been for 6 yards and he also has 253 drops. It wasn't all his fault...hes a run blocking TE that got drafted into a throwing offense and hes not dynamic at all in the pass game. Hes definitely added some value to this team no doubt.....but did we get 1st round value?....probably not. Theres a lot of TEs in the league that can do what he does imo.

you have issues dude...the Lions got 1st round value in Pettigrew.

243 catches in 391 targets , where the fuck do you get 253 drops..or is that a Jimmy Kimmel type retort ?

 

[mhughes0021]

you have issues dude...the Lions got 1st round value in Pettigrew.

243 catches in 391 targets , where the fuck do you get 253 drops..or is that a Jimmy Kimmel type retort ?

it was definitely sarcasm. But is it fair to ask if you think 243 catches in 391 targets is good when they are all curls 10 yards or less. Hes a safety blanket...that's not very safe. Kinda like a heated blanket that has a high chance of catching fire. Not to mention once he does catch the ball hes not getting any YAC. 243 catches in 391 tries is great if youre a receiver running down the field....that's not pettigrews game at all.

 

[Mitchrapp]

it was definitely sarcasm. But is it fair to ask if you think 243 catches in 391 targets is good when they are all curls 10 yards or less. Hes a safety blanket...that's not very safe. Kinda like a heated blanket that has a high chance of catching fire. Not to mention once he does catch the ball hes not getting any YAC. 243 catches in 391 tries is great if youre a receiver running down the field....that's not pettigrews game at all.

If its 4th and 10, no its not very safe. But 2nd and 4 or 3rd and 6, bam. 2 FD per game, not too shabby.

 

[mhughes0021]

If its 4th and 10, no its not very safe. But 2nd and 4 or 3rd and 6, bam. 2 FD per game, not too shabby.

I meant the ratio of catches to targets....that's not very good for a safety valve running underneath routes.

 

[Slick]

it was definitely sarcasm. But is it fair to ask if you think 243 catches in 391 targets is good when they are all curls 10 yards or less. Hes a safety blanket...that's not very safe. Kinda like a heated blanket that has a high chance of catching fire. Not to mention once he does catch the ball hes not getting any YAC. 243 catches in 391 tries is great if youre a receiver running down the field....that's not pettigrews game at all.

70th in the NFL last year in YAC....10th TE in YAC

 

[Mitchrapp]

I meant the ratio of catches to targets....that's not very good for a safety valve running underneath routes.

Its not his fault Staff misses the target.

 

[Mitchrapp]

In fact 243 of 391 is 62.1 catch % which is in tune with Staff's completion percentage.

 

[Slick]

I wont argue he drops key passes....but I still take him over 2/3 of the other starting TEs in the NFL...I knew what he was when they drafted him , I had him pegged at #20 in that draft...he is exactly what they wanted for their rookie QB.

 

[mhughes0021]

70th in the NFL last year in YAC....10th TE in YAC

skewed ofcourse by the number of targets and catches cause we are the dump down champions of the NFL and threw the ball almost 800 times. That's like LKPs argument that a 700 yard WR is good when we throw for 5000 yards a year. I like Pettigrew....he'll be an important piece if were ever good again. But as far as value goes....I just don't think hes provided 1st round type value. If were never going to run the ball with consistency than id much rather have a aaron hernandez type which obviously could be had much later in the draft. The middle of the field is very important in todays passing game and a dynamic tight end can run a lot of routes that would be huge in our offense....Pettigrew just isn't that dynamic of a route runner. He clogs up the middle of the field and just sits in a window as a dump down.

 

[jrange378]

I'd take Stafford over either Flacco or Kaepernick anybody.

 

[zyxt9]

there just isn't enough percentage difference between pett and other TEs drafted in R2 or R3 to justify using the R1 pick to get him. he isn't a difference maker, game changer, or serious threat.

could have used that pick to get someone who is dramatically better than others at their position and picked up a TE in R2 or R3. maybe a CB, S, OL, DL. all were positions of need and there had to be someone out there who could make a bigger impact at their position and be definitively better than other options at their position. pett is not even the most ideal TE for the Lions O, would be better to have someone able to help stretch the field instead of only being a dump off option. the more versatile routes a TE can run, the better the Lions O will become. instead they have a TE who runs routes that are predictable and if he does run down field he might be open but those are the passes he tends to drop or Staff overthrows.

this is the problem with the Lions, they don't get the return on their investments that other teams do. R1 guys need to produce better than their counterparts in the league and thereby justify the selection in early rounds. petts production is not superior and has been same since the beginning, showing little to no sign of improving. he was at his ceiling when they drafted him, most R2 or R3 guys will actually develop and improve over time. well, on other teams at least, but not the lions.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Bad bad analogy. That's like saying there isn't much drop off between P. Mannng and Brady so why use a 1st pick on Manning when you could have had Brady much lower. That's a bit over the top but every team could say that, "man that guy in the 3rd is as good as the guy we drafted in the first".

And there are more picks in the 1st that are "not" game changers than there are that "are". Just because we had a bad season you guys are coming out of the wood works. We need many players to compete but Petti is worth a 1st round pick.

 

[johnny2x2x]

Garbage in.

Brandon Pettigrew isn't a problem pick. Sure maybe he wasn't the best value at #20 overall, but he's a solid to good NFL TE and contributes. It's the absolute zeros we've drafted over and over that are the issue.

Titus Young(2), Javhid Best(1), Amari Spievey(3), Ryan Broyles(2), Derrick Williams(3), Jordon Dizon(2), Drew Stanton(2), AF Ikaika(2), Gerald Alexander(2), Daniel Bullocks(2), Brian Calhoun(3), Mike Williams(1), Shawn Cody(2). These are all top 3 round picks that we got mostly no production from. The book may still be out on Broyles, but we basically threw all of these picks away the last several years. Was Cherilius worth the 17th pick overall?

These picks would be the core of our team right now if we had any clue how to evaluate talent. And I'm not even going back to the Charles Rogers, Teddy Lehman, Boss Baily, Joey Harrington, Kalimba Edwards waste of picks before that. Some of the guys we could have picked might still be contributing to this team 10+ years later.

Did we really get great value from some of our other picks that are actually still with the team? Leshoure(2), Fox(4) etc etc etc. It's a disaster and this team just about needs to be built from scratch at this point.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Biggest problem, apparently, is the 2nd round. Holy shit that's a bunch of crap.