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I am fucking sick of Trump

Sbee said:
I think it's a hell of a reach to try to draw a parallel between the mud slinging between the Democrats in 2008 and the 2016 Republicans. We've seen a level of unprofessionalism that is new to American politics.
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that's definitely not true. Saying that Donald Trump finally found the line and crossed it is simply disingenuous. Your clearly holding one side to a more strict standard.
 
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Spartanmack said:
that's definitely not true. Saying that Donald Trump finally found the line and crossed it is simply disingenuous. Your clearly holding one side to a more strict standard.
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I'm saying that Trump took it to the grade school level with talk of penis size, publishing someones personal cell phone, how much someone sweats, name calling, etc. This is not a Republican thing, it's a Donald Trump thing, I am sure the primary would have been much more civil if he wasn't involved. The Republicans could be respectful in their disagreements as long as an overgrown child wasn't involved.
 
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Sbee said:
I'm saying that Trump took it to the grade school level with talk of penis size, publishing someones personal cell phone, how much someone sweats, name calling, etc. This is not a Republican thing, it's a Donald Trump thing, I am sure the primary would have been much more civil if he wasn't involved. The Republicans could be respectful in their disagreements as long as an overgrown child wasn't involved.
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I tend to think they all act like a bunch of spoiled, entitled children and while some of Trump's tactics may have been incrementally more juvenile, I don't think the others look much like grown ups in comparison. Don't forget, Clinton 1 made jokes about how in a different time, Barack would be carrying his luggage or fetching coffee. Is that less crass than Trump defending his manhood immaturely? Perhaps, but it's also a shit ton more racist and demeaning.
 
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Spartanmack said:
I tend to think they all act like a bunch of spoiled, entitled children and while some of Trump's tactics may have been incrementally more juvenile, I don't think the others look much like grown ups in comparison. Don't forget, Clinton 1 made jokes about how in a different time, Barack would be carrying his luggage or fetching coffee. Is that less crass than Trump defending his manhood immaturely? Perhaps, but it's also a shit ton more racist and demeaning.
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The Clinton comment was one persons account of a private conversation, I could only imagine the things that Trump says privately.
 
Sbee said:
The Clinton comment was one persons account of a private conversation, I could only imagine the things that Trump says privately.
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he's such a better person for having made that comment in private! c'mon. Given that you have to imagine Trump is racist based on his public statements, i would say that any imagined private comments would be at least equally unreliable.

Now that is a defense of Trump and I own it and the race baiters and accusations of racism are the only things I defend him for. Trump is certainly worthy of plenty of criticism but it at least should be genuine and valid. The whole Trump is racist is just more of the same lefty nonsense. They know most of the electorate is lazy and so all you have to do is accuse someone of being racist and they'll run with it. Whoever won the Republican nomination was going to be labeled a racist, that's all there is to it.
 
Gulo Blue said:
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...2/republican-senators-wont-vote-endorse-trump

Nearly one third of republican senators won't vote for Trump.

When I see friends still supporting this guy, I keep wondering, how are they more loyal to the Republican party than actual republican senators?
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Because to them the worst republican is better than any democrat, though you can make a good argument that Trump is not a Republican. They can hide behind the fact that they don't like hillary, but I'd challenge them to name a democrat they would support.
 
Gulo Blue said:
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...2/republican-senators-wont-vote-endorse-trump

Nearly one third of republican senators won't vote for Trump.

When I see friends still supporting this guy, I keep wondering, how are they more loyal to the Republican party than actual republican senators?
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I think Trump was generally nominated by a lot of people who hadn't been Republican, or Republicans who were revolting against Republican leadership.

So the latter managed to make a statement about Republican leadership; but I think it will end up costing Republicans a presidential election that probably should have been a fairly sure victory.
 
tinselwolverine said:
I think Trump was generally nominated by a lot of people who hadn't been Republican, or Republicans who were revolting against Republican leadership.

So the latter managed to make a statement about Republican leadership; but I think it will end up costing Republicans a presidential election that probably should have been a fairly sure victory.
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not only that, but he's dragging the whole party down... they may lose the senate as well.
 
michchamp said:
not only that, but he's dragging the whole party down... they may lose the senate as well.
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That too maybe...from the annals of "be careful what you wish for..."

The Republican revolt against Republican leadership got the revolting what they wished for - Donald Trump as the Republican nominee...
 
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tinselwolverine said:
That too maybe...from the annals of "be careful what you wish for..."

The Republican revolt against Republican leadership got the revolting what they wished for - Donald Trump as the Republican nominee...
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I think its more a matter of "you reap what you sow." under Karl Rove, (mostly) the GOP cultivated anti-intellectual, eventually even anti-rational thought platform that convinced voters the best decisions are made by "shootin from the hip" and discouraged and ridiculed thinking about things too much, or making measured responses to problems. They've steadily alienated all the moderate, thinking members of their party, so they're left with complete ignoramuses and bigots, and spartanhack.

Remember? it started like this in 2000...

Al Gore was an effeminite micro-manager... Al Gore was too involved in the details... the president needed to be a hands-off, MBA, CEO. President needed to be a "big picture guy" and a cowboy oilman... the president was the "decider."

then liberals wanted to "read terrorists their rights" and 9/11 was no time for thinking... we needed to bomb Iraq and take it over without deliberating or even planning.

anyone who didn't think it could get dumber from that point on was proved wrong when McCain nominated Sarah Palin, and Fox News kept a microphone in front of her stupid mouth for years afterward so we could continue to know what "thoughts" were pinballing around her head.

Trump is the logical next step. in 2020 the GOP will nominate Gallagher to just smash things on stage in lieu of actually speaking.
 
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michchamp said:
Al Gore was an effeminite micro-manager... Al Gore was too involved in the details... the president needed to be a hands-off, MBA, CEO. President needed to be a "big picture guy" and a cowboy oilman... the president was the "decider."
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I didn't think the decider bit was so much a picture they wanted to paint as part of some strategy they had laid out. I thought it was defensive; a reaction to the accusation that he would be just a figurehead while the people around him ran the show.
 
Now he's saying that he's happy that the shackles are finally off of him and that he can campaign how he wants to now. As if he wasn't unhinged before? wow
 
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