In case you had any remaining doubts whether gun nuts are insane or not

[byco42]

There was this guy once trying to steal my lawn mower out of my garage. I banged on the wall, stepped in the open door and told him he had one shot and leaving the premises conscious. He took it. Win/Win.

 

[Thumb]

I think we need more details.

You think people need more details before jumping to conclusions, but how about more details before pulling a trigger and ending a life?


Shoot first and ask questions later because you're scared is not an acceptable defense.

 

[Michchamp]

You think people need more details before jumping to conclusions, but how about more details before pulling a trigger and ending a life?


Shoot first and ask questions later because you're scared is not an acceptable defense.

he did at least say that he thinks laws in this case are too lenient, which I didn't notice the first time I read his post.

though, in this case since it was a guy in his own house, with a shotgun, that's not really the issue here. Even I don't think that should be illegal. I do think these idiotic "stand your ground" laws, and the example set by Zimmerman played more of a role in morons believing "shoot first & ask questions later" is acceptable conduct in a civil society.

 

[byco42]

If someone is not breaching an entrance, why fire a weapon? And why not call the police as well at the same time? "There's an intruder on my porch and I'm armed inside the house."

 

[Sbee]

I think we need more details.

I don't own a gun, and would never want one in my house. Its unfortunately but was the woman knocking on the door or breaking in? I'm not sure if the house owner knew she was hurt after a car crash. Maybe he was scared, it was dark etc. I don't know but when you have to make a quick decision ..there thinking is probably "them or me".

I think the blame starts with laws. Some states allow someone to carry a gun just about anywhere..its crazy.

I'll tell you a story: Once when my parents were gone it was just me 17 years old and my 15 year old sister. We heard noises, someone broke in. Unless you've gone through that before you have no idea. Long story short it was a kid just trying to get warm, maybe 14 years old. He was lost. I broke his shoulder with my baseball bat but I didn't know who he was - I certainly wasn't going to ask. Its frightening.

when in doubt, just kill them, especially if they're black

signed, your friend George

honestly, it's them or me? maybe if the other person had a gun, then you have to make that decision. I don't think you're life is in danger if someone knocks on your door or looks in your window

 

[Thumb]

If someone is not breaching an entrance, why fire a weapon? And why not call the police as well at the same time? "There's an intruder on my porch and I'm armed inside the house."

Hey look! something we agree on.

Someone check and see if the planets are aligned.

 

[Mitchrapp]

and just think... if you had a gun, you could've shot him in the face.

Just the time I guess. Instead if bats they go guns, the new millennium. That goes on the law makers.

But if someone breaks in and the owner dies - we'll hear "if only he had a gun."

 

[Mitchrapp]

when in doubt, just kill them, especially if they're black

signed, your friend George

honestly, it's them or me? maybe if the other person had a gun, then you have to make that decision. I don't think you're life is in danger if someone knocks on your door or looks in your window

I'll agree with you if that happened. Did it? I didn't read all of it. And you assumed George is responsible. How about good ole Obama. Or Clinton..When did they come out with a law preventing it? If Obamacare could exist with the house so against it, then a gun-law could.

 

[Sbee]

I'll agree with you if that happened. Did it? I didn't read all of it. And you assumed George is responsible. How about good ole Obama. Or Clinton..When did they come out with a law preventing it? If Obamacare could exist with the house so against it, then a gun-law could.

there was no way this watered down bill would make it through the senate, much less the house. it was defeated 54-46 since you need 60 votes now to pass anything. the argument was that limiting magazines to 10 rounds and requiring background checks was infringing on our constitutional rights.

never mind that the second amendment was written to make sure the US had a well armed militia to defend ourselves from England or another countries army, not for individuals to have guns in their homes for protection or sport.

 

[byco42]

there was no way this watered down bill would make it through the senate, much less the house. it was defeated 54-46 since you need 60 votes now to pass anything. the argument was that limiting magazines to 10 rounds and requiring background checks was infringing on our constitutional rights.

never mind that the second amendment was written to make sure the US had a well armed militia to defend ourselves from England or another countries army, not for individuals to have guns in their homes for protection or sport.

That's not accurate. The right to keep and bear arms also included the right to self-defense and for hunting game, which was essential to many people's livelihood. The Militia "being necessary to the security of a free State" was in reference to the opposition to standing armies. So the 2nd Amendment, at its core, is one that preserves the right to life and to defend it.

 

[Michchamp]

That's not accurate. The right to keep and bear arms also included the right to self-defense and for hunting game, which was essential to many people's livelihood. The Militia "being necessary to the security of a free State" was in reference to the opposition to standing armies. So the 2nd Amendment, at its core, is one that preserves the right to life and to defend it.

no it wasn't.

the amendment itself says what it says:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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if they wanted this right to be broadly construed outside the context of a "well regulated militia" they would have eliminated the first clause of the sentence.

the only one of the federalist papers that discussed the right to bear arms contained lots of references to defending the frontier and cities against foreign armies and indian tribes.

not so much this extreme example advocated by the NRA that you should be able to carry whatever type of firearm you want, wherever you go, and shoot unarmed people if you perceive them to be threatening to your person.

if you want to defend your closet gun nut views, you're better off looking to that recent Supreme Court case striking down the DC handgun ban. there's not much from the Founding Father era that supports your position.

 

[Mitchrapp]

he did at least say that he thinks laws in this case are too lenient, which I didn't notice the first time I read his post.

though, in this case since it was a guy in his own house, with a shotgun, that's not really the issue here. Even I don't think that should be illegal. I do think these idiotic "stand your ground" laws, and the example set by Zimmerman played more of a role in morons believing "shoot first & ask questions later" is acceptable conduct in a civil society.

Not outside the property, which for me includes the front porch. Once in the house its a different matter. Have to protect yourself and family first.

"There is no policy against customers carrying their handgun in our stores as long as he/she is legally permitted by their state to carry the handgun.

That's from freakin' Walmart. I was just told that, what the fk. I was never against people and their guns, except assault weapons - what civilian needs those? But if people can carry their gun in a public place like Walmart it's fk'd.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Walmart is a huge retailer of firearms, isn't it?

 

[byco42]

no it wasn't.

the amendment itself says what it says:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
​

if they wanted this right to be broadly construed outside the context of a "well regulated militia" they would have eliminated the first clause of the sentence.

the only one of the federalist papers that discussed the right to bear arms contained lots of references to defending the frontier and cities against foreign armies and indian tribes.

not so much this extreme example advocated by the NRA that you should be able to carry whatever type of firearm you want, wherever you go, and shoot unarmed people if you perceive them to be threatening to your person.

if you want to defend your closet gun nut views, you're better off looking to that recent Supreme Court case striking down the DC handgun ban. there's not much from the Founding Father era that supports your position.

The 2nd amendment is sourced from the English Bill of Rights from 1689. And the "well-regulated Militia" is not a restrictive clause. It does not mean that only if people are part of one that they have the right to keep and bear arms. It's a common mistake among the set who think that all people who correctly interpret the meaning of the 2nd amendment are "nuts."

 

[Mitchrapp]

Walmart is a huge retailer of firearms, isn't it?

I think so.

I can just imagine some lady gets the last can of spam or gi joe with the kung fu grip and bam, some dude blasts her.

 

[Michchamp]

the guy in Dearborn was charged with 2nd degree murder, and a litany of related charges. link.

Michigan is not Florida. or Texas. Not that any of us ever doubted this.

 

[Mitchrapp]

the guy in Dearborn was charged with 2nd degree murder, and a litany of related charges. link.

Michigan is not Florida. or Texas. Not that any of us ever doubted this.

That seems about right. I didn't realize she was wasted but still..

Reminds of the movie a Few Good men.

"You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives."

That girl was lucky she didn't kill someone while driving drunk.

 

[Michchamp]

let that be a lesson to the rest of you: if you drink and drive, Mitchrapp won't feel too bad if someone murders you with a shotgun blast to the face.

 

[Mitchrapp]

let that be a lesson to the rest of you: if you drink and drive, Mitchrapp won't feel too bad if someone murders you with a shotgun blast to the face.

I was just quoting a simple movie. Don't go overboard now. Because that's not how I feel.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I was just quoting a simple movie. Don't go overboard now. Because that's not how I feel.

Going overboard is not appropriate board ettiquette.

MichChamp should know this.