jaws puts staff at #20

[mhughes0021]

on his list of qbs....

Sure i think he regressed some this year and missed WAY too many wide open targets, has poor feet and awful pocket pressense.....but to put colin kaepernick infront of him? srsly? lol. guy has lost his mind....

Jaws' QB Rankings


Peyton Manning
#18 QB
Denver Broncos
2012 STATS

Att
583Comp
400Yds
4659TD
37Int
11QBR
84.1


1. Peyton Manning
Previous: 1



There is a very good debate over who is the NFL's best QB in 2012, one that has prompted a lot of conversation at the NFL Films office. But as far as I'm concerned, what Manning has done, going to a different system and producing the way he has, makes him my top quarterback. Changing from one system to another is just so difficult. I transitioned through several systems in my career and have learned firsthand how all of the little things that build chemistry -- the eye contact, the play-calling language, the subtle indicators -- can take years to develop. Peyton has done it in a single season, bringing the other players around him onto the same page with him.



It's true that his arm strength isn't what it used to be, but his anticipation is better than it has ever been. I don't know how he completes some of those back-line throws he made last week. Manning is obsessive about his accuracy and, when he practices, will point to his receivers' shoulder pads and tell them, "the ball will be right here." This past week, he hit Demaryius Thomas in the belt buckle for a touchdown. I'm pretty sure that, despite the touchdown, Peyton was upset about missing his target.



It's that kind of dedication that led him to such a speedy recovery, and such quick acclimation in Denver. It also has made him my No. 1 QB for 2012.




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Aaron Rodgers
#12 QB
Green Bay Packers
2012 STATS

Att
552Comp
371Yds
4295TD
39Int
8QBR
72.5


2. Aaron Rodgers
Previous: 3

Rodgers has been phenomenal of late. He definitely has struggled at times because of different circumstances over the course of 2012, including health at wide receiver and his protection, but he's ending on a high note. The Packers' line has not been very good; Marshall Newhouse and Don Barclay need help from running backs and chip blocks. Because of that, Rodgers has not had his full receiving complement at his disposal this season, as tight ends and backs have needed to stay in and help the linemen. His receiving corps has been banged up virtually all season, but he hummed along for the most part. He has felt pressure at times -- and gotten a little frenetic as a result -- but he worked his way through it. He was very, very solid in the last quarter of the year.




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Tom Brady
#12 QB
New England Patriots
2012 STATS

Att
637Comp
401Yds
4827TD
34Int
8QBR
77.1


3 . Tom Brady
Previous: 2

At some point, high praise for Brady just feels like piling on. He slides solely because I thought Rodgers was sharper down the stretch and Brady showed a little cause for concern against Jacksonville. I thought he made some questionable decisions and missed throws down the middle. But when you're a surefire Hall of Famer and a top-three QB in the National Football League, those are the exceptions, not the rule. He'll be ready for the playoffs.




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Matt Ryan
#2 QB
Atlanta Falcons
2012 STATS

Att
615Comp
422Yds
4719TD
32Int
14QBR
74.5



4. Matt Ryan
Previous: 4

Ryan had one bad game with five picks against Arizona in mid-November, but he has since calmed down and I believe he is ready to make a playoff run and put postseason shortcoming talk behind him. Here's what will be critical for the Falcons' success: Ryan is a QB who needs a comfortable pocket. The first thing his playoff opponents will try to do defensively is get pressure up the middle and pass-rushers around Ryan's feet. If I showed you all the bad throws from Ryan in 2012, the vast majority would be because he had to move and didn't get his feet set. Ryan has been very good this year, but when defenses make him move, he has a tendency to make mistakes.





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Drew Brees
#9 QB
New Orleans Saints
2012 STATS

Att
670Comp
422Yds
5177TD
43Int
19QBR
67.9


5. Drew Brees
Previous: 8

I had to drop Brees over the course of the year because he just wasn't playing up to his standards. I think he'll be the first to tell you that 19 INTs isn't good. I've seen him work through his slump the past few weeks (11 TDs, 1 INT), and I've slotted him back into the top 5, as a result. When things get back to normal in New Orleans next season, I expect him to still be among the league's elite passers.




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Ben Roethlisberger
#7 QB
Pittsburgh Steelers
2012 STATS

Att
449Comp
284Yds
3265TD
26Int
8QBR
62.8


6. Ben Roethlisberger
Previous: 5

Although I'm taking his injury into consideration, Roethlisberger slips one peg to end the season. He finished with a flourish against the Browns, but the lack of a playoff berth for Pittsburgh is disappointing. When he was healthy, though, Big Ben carried this team for most of the season. The run game (26th in the league) didn't help much, nor did some drops from his receivers.




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Eli Manning
#10 QB
New York Giants
2012 STATS

Att
536Comp
321Yds
3948TD
26Int
15QBR
67.4


7. Eli Manning
Previous: 7

Eli was very inconsistent down the stretch, but his body of work says he's definitely a top-10 guy. We could see the highs clearly enough with his great game against the Eagles in Week 17. Unfortunately, there were too many lows mixed in this season as well (see: Weeks 15 and 16). Eli has some reparation work to do in the offseason.




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Joe Flacco
#5 QB
Baltimore Ravens
2012 STATS

Att
531Comp
317Yds
3817TD
22Int
10QBR
46.8


8. Joe Flacco
Previous: 9

The next hurdle for Flacco is to get it done in the playoffs, but I really saw his confidence level grow against the Giants. He was hitting on the deep ball, firing the ball outside the numbers, and he looked as if he had that edge he showed us against New England in Week 3. For the Ravens to succeed in the playoffs, he'll have to show it again.




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Matt Schaub
#8 QB
Houston Texans
2012 STATS

Att
544Comp
350Yds
4008TD
22Int
12QBR
62.6


9. Matt Schaub
Previous: 6

There's no other way to put it than by saying Schaub is in a real slump. The Texans have not been able to get the ball downfield, and, for Schaub to have success, they have to connect on those shot plays. He is not a matriculator; he's not going to steadily complete passes on a long drive. He needs a few plays that can chew up big chunks of yards. Houston is another team that has yet to enjoy great playoff success. This weekend presents a huge game for the Texans, and for Schaub.




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Robert Griffin III
#10 QB
Washington Redskins
2012 STATS

Att
393Comp
258Yds
3200TD
20Int
5QBR
71.4


10. Robert Griffin III
Previous: 16

I didn't think it would be possible for a quarterback to climb into the top 10 in the NFL in Year 1. A track record of success, and being successful when the league has a book on you, should count for something. But you really can't say enough about the rapid success RG III has enjoyed in Washington. As we discussed above, the Shanahans have fostered his growth slowly and stayed away from dumping too much on the rookie too soon. They've kept it simple -- and have maximized Griffin's natural athletic gifts in the process. I've also been impressed with his grit and toughness and his presence as a leader on that football team. That locker room respects him, which is no small feat for a rookie QB.




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Andrew Luck
#12 QB
Indianapolis Colts
2012 STATS

Att
627Comp
339Yds
4374TD
23Int
18QBR
65.0


11. Andrew Luck
Previous: 15

Another rookie who got his team to the playoffs. Luck needed to acclimate a little more rapidly than his rookie peers, in that Indianapolis didn't really enjoy the surrounding talent in the run game that Washington and Seattle enjoyed. But despite the steep learning curve, Luck has already achieved success and will only get better with more experience. That pass to T.Y. Hilton last week ? you just cannot make a better throw than that. The accuracy of the throw was great, but it goes deeper than that. It was the read, the eye discipline to manipulate the defense, the pump fake to move the safety -- it was a Hall of Fame-worthy pass, especially at that juncture of a big game.




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Jay Cutler
#6 QB
Chicago Bears
2012 STATS

Att
434Comp
255Yds
3033TD
19Int
14QBR
51.9


12. Jay Cutler
Previous: 10

I love Cutler's talent -- now he just needs a coaching staff that can maximize it. I see so many tools that should equate to success for Cutler, and we've gotten glimpses of it all season long, but there has been no consistency. He needs a support system that can help him maximize his talent ? and help keep that pass rush off his back. For Cutler's future, what happens on the offensive line in Chicago means as much as anything.




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Russell Wilson
#3 QB
Seattle Seahawks
2012 STATS

Att
393Comp
252Yds
3118TD
26Int
10QBR
69.6


13. Russell Wilson
Previous: 19

Wilson debuted at No. 31 when I updated my rankings after Week 4. Look at him now, leading the Seahawks to the playoffs. I was a little concerned with his Week 17 showing against the Rams, as I thought he left some plays on the field. A little too often his No. 1 target would open up, but he'd already moved on to his next read. I thought he just lost a little discipline in that game, which gives me pause as he goes on the road for his playoff debut. He needs to regain that calmness that led him to such a stellar second half of the season.




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Colin Kaepernick
#7 QB
San Francisco 49ers
2012 STATS

Att
218Comp
136Yds
1814TD
10Int
3QBR
76.8


14. Colin Kaepernick
Previous: 20

Kaepernick is the reason I like the San Francisco 49ers to win it all. Between his arm strength and his foot speed, there is nothing the Niners' offense can't do. They've got the smashmouth ground game, and the quick-strike deep ball. He has shown good feel in the pocket and, like Griffin, looks to make the pass first and doesn't default to his legs at the first sign of pressure. With a little time off thanks to the first-round bye, we could see some revolutionary types of plays from Jim Harbaugh as well.




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Tony Romo
#9 QB
Dallas Cowboys
2012 STATS

Att
648Comp
425Yds
4903TD
28Int
19QBR
62.7


15. Tony Romo
Previous: 11

I defended Tony Romo in the last installment of my rankings, and he repays me with that Week 17 clunker against Washington? That game was disastrous. All three of those interceptions were on him. And as well as he has played at times this season, it's hard to get excited about him going forward. Point blank: At crunch time, he didn't play well, made bad decisions and bad throws. All in all, he dropped five spots on my board since the start of the 2012 season.




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Andy Dalton
#14 QB
Cincinnati Bengals
2012 STATS

Att
528Comp
329Yds
3669TD
27Int
16QBR
50.7


16. Andy Dalton
Previous: 17

I think Dalton has been good to very good this season. Now I'm just waiting for him to become great. When I watch him on film, he just holds the ball a little too long. When Target No. 1 is open, you've got to let it go. When the Bengals were in the red zone, he left some scoring plays on the field. There was that stretch from Nov. 4 to 25 when he had 10 TDs against a lone interception. That's stellar, but I think he could have had 20 TDs if he just threw the ball to the open targets. Still, it was a nice improvement from Year 1 to Year 2 and I can honestly see a bright future in the top 10.




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Philip Rivers
#17 QB
San Diego Chargers
2012 STATS

Att
527Comp
338Yds
3606TD
26Int
15QBR
40.6


17. Philip Rivers
Previous: 13

I'm a huge Rivers fan, but this was just a down year from him. The Chargers had trouble on their O-line, particularly at left tackle; he lost go-to receiver Vincent Jackson. He never looked comfortable and it manifested in some poor play. I still think he has some gas in the tank, but he needs a better supporting cast.




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Cam Newton
#1 QB
Carolina Panthers
2012 STATS

Att
485Comp
280Yds
3869TD
19Int
12QBR
54.2


18. Cam Newton
Previous: 18

Newton started coming on strong once the Panthers stopped trying to get everyone involved in the run game. I thought there was too much of a collegiate, option-style approach early on. I think that works as a changeup, but not as your fastball. Once they started getting DeAngelo Williams some regular carries, things improved. Newton remains a solid QB, but he still had too many misses of open receivers in 2012. He needs to work on his accuracy in the offseason, and that's a skill he should be able to improve.




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Josh Freeman
#5 QB
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2012 STATS

Att
558Comp
306Yds
4065TD
27Int
17QBR
53.1


19. Josh Freeman
Previous: 12

I think Freeman was the biggest disappointment of the season's last quarter. His poor play really reminded me of his struggles from the end of 2011, and seemed to suggest no improvement year over year. He was wildly inaccurate, with his mechanics failing him. He was often throwing off his back foot instead of driving his throws. He has a lot of repairs to make in the offseason.




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Matthew Stafford
#9 QB
Detroit Lions
2012 STATS

Att
727Comp
435Yds
4967TD
20Int
17QBR
58.9


20. Matthew Stafford
Previous: 14

Stafford was a big faller this season, dropping from No. 6 to No. 20. Yeah, the big numbers are there, but the volume of passes is so high in Detroit it masks his problems a little bit. I truly think Stafford needs to get back to the fundamentals. I wish I could coach him for a little bit because I know he understands what he needs to do, but the mechanics just aren't ingrained. To be consistent in your success, you must be consistent with mechanics. Your arm slot, your footwork need to be the same, again and again. Sure, you need to adjust your delivery every once in a while to get the ball out in the face of a pass-rusher, but with a clean pocket you need to be mechanically sound. Right now, Stafford just isn't.




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Sam Bradford
#8 QB
St. Louis Rams
2012 STATS

Att
551Comp
328Yds
3702TD
21Int
13QBR
51.6


21. Sam Bradford
Previous: 21

I'd rate Bradford somewhere between OK and good this year. It started to look like he has regained his form from his first season. I think there's plenty of potential here still, and if the Rams can get him some more help in the draft, he clearly can move up these rankings.




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Carson Palmer
#3 QB
Oakland Raiders
2012 STATS

Att
565Comp
345Yds
4018TD
22Int
14QBR
44.7


22. Carson Palmer
Previous: 22

Despite what everyone says, I think Palmer was fine in Oakland. That offense around him was horrible, but he was solid. The question is, at this point in his career, and given the financial considerations of his contract, what will the Raiders do with him? I think Palmer has more to give, however, and still has three to four more years in him.




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Christian Ponder
#7 QB
Minnesota Vikings
2012 STATS

Att
483Comp
300Yds
2935TD
18Int
12QBR
53.8


23. Christian Ponder
Previous: 25

I love what he has done the past few weeks, particularly with his improvement in the play-action pass game. That the uptick has come without Percy Harvin isn't insignificant, and it's also telling that Bill Musgrave has trusted Ponder more and more. His Week 17 play really bumped him up in my book. It was a must-win situation and he delivered. The Vikings don't need Ponder to be a Hall of Famer when they have Adrian Peterson. All you need is a couple hundred yards through the air, and let AP do the rest.




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Ryan Tannehill
#17 QB
Miami Dolphins
2012 STATS

Att
484Comp
282Yds
3294TD
12Int
13QBR
52.3


24. Ryan Tannehill
Previous: 26

Don't judge Tannehill's season in comparison to the three playoff-bound rookies. The needs are far greater on offense in Miami than they were in Indy, Washington and Seattle. I think the future is bright for Tannehill, the Dolphins just need to develop a more consistent run game and find some more receivers to target. I've been very impressed with his first season in the NFL.




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Michael Vick
#7 QB
Philadelphia Eagles
2012 STATS

Att
351Comp
204Yds
2362TD
12Int
10QBR
46.0


25. Michael Vick
Previous: N/A

Vick started the last game for the Eagles, and I think too many people are discounting him going into next season. Let me spell it out: He can play. There is no doubt in my mind that in the right system, with the right staff and a good run game, Vick is a contributor. Everyone's talking about Chip Kelly. Well, if Kelly comes to Philadelphia, I see how he could use Vick. It all depends on the coach. The turnovers remain a bugaboo, but there's still plenty of skill left in Vick's game.




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Chad Henne
#7 QB
Jacksonville Jaguars
2012 STATS

Att
308Comp
166Yds
2084TD
11Int
11QBR
29.9


26. Chad Henne
Previous: 24

There were times when Henne made plays against Houston and New England that I thought were phenomenal. It will be interesting to see how things play out in Jacksonville with all of the Tim Tebow talk and Blaine Gabbert still in the picture. A lot of Henne's future will be decided in the offseason, but I think he has it in him to be a serviceable NFL QB.




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Brandon Weeden
#3 QB
Cleveland Browns
2012 STATS

Att
517Comp
297Yds
3385TD
14Int
17QBR
26.6


27. Brandon Weeden
Previous: 30

After the Super Bowl, Weeden will likely be the first QB for whom I examine all of his throws in detail. I find him so interesting because his highs were quite good, but there were a lot of "very lows" as well. I like the way he throws, his power, but he needs to improve in the nuances of the game. The eye manipulation, the pocket movement, not staring down receivers -- if he can improve in those elements, there's a good shot at improvement. Is he the quarterback of the future in Cleveland? We'll see.




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Ryan Fitzpatrick
#14 QB
Buffalo Bills
2012 STATS

Att
505/
Comp
306Yds
3400TD
24Int
16QBR
45.8


28. Ryan Fitzpatrick
Previous: 23

Like Stafford, Fitzpatrick is still lacking consistency in his mechanics and it's showing up in his game-to-game performances. C.J. Spiller and a solid run game should have helped him more, but he was much too erratic. He needs to make better throws and eliminate those turnovers at crucial times in the game.




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Jake Locker
#10 QB
Tennessee Titans
2012 STATS

Att
314Comp
177Yds
2176TD
10Int
11QBR
48.1


29. Jake Locker
Previous: 28

I think Locker has shown good feel in the pocket, but I'd like to see improved foot movement. At times he looked a little slow-footed and I think he could benefit from a solid dose of agility drills in the offseason. That said, inaccuracy remains his biggest issue.




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Brady Quinn
#9 QB
Kansas City Chiefs
2012 STATS

Att
197Comp
112Yds
1141TD
2Int
8QBR
27.4


30. Brady Quinn
Previous: 29

There were times this season when Quinn showed NFL talent, but overall there were too many bad throws and bad decisions. The way things were in Kansas City this season makes it tough to get a true read on him, though. I think he could still be a starter somewhere, but he needs to go to a team that can provide him with some confidence.




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Mark Sanchez
#6 QB
New York Jets
2012 STATS

Att
453Comp
246Yds
2883TD
13Int
18QBR
23.4


31. Mark Sanchez
Previous: 27

I don't even know where to start ? Sanchez regressed in every quarter of the 2012 season. Decision-making, inaccuracy, lack of confidence, it all plagued him. A lot happened to Sanchez since Week 1's high note against Buffalo and I know he has the tools to be an NFL quarterback, but he really needs to make some fixes to his game. And those fixes will need to be both physical and and mental at this point.




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Brian Hoyer
#6 QB
Arizona Cardinals
2012 STATS

Att
53Comp
30Yds
330TD
1Int
2QBR
37.7


32. Brian Hoyer
Previous: N/A

Hoyer ended the season as the starter in Arizona, but will he start there in 2013? I liked him in New England and if he's not Arizona's starter, I think he has already shown that he's a capable backup with the Patriots. Hoyer is a team-oriented guy, throws well enough, and if you can be a gym rat on a football field, he is one. I think the Cardinals might have something here.

 

[coel73]

I don't agree with him being that low, buuuuuut someone has to be a scapegoat for a controversial plummet which makes this piece worth reading. And who better to pick on than a player on this team?

Stafford hasn't been on his game, but he sure as hell isn't the lone reason they only won four games.

 

[Mitchrapp]

He's not even close to 18. Scapegoat, blah. Just a former QB who knows very little.

 

[cheeno]

Right assessment, but hell who couldn't see that other than our coaching staff. The rankings as usual are a joke, does Joe Flacco have some naked pictures of some ESPN exec's wife?

 

[tsmith7559]

Stafford needs to take care of the ball better...way to many INT's and fumbles. How many pick 6's?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Stafford needs to take care of the ball better...way to many INT's and fumbles. How many pick 6's?

To be honest....with over 700 attempts, his int ratio and number of fumbles weren't that bad. The pick 6's were terrible though. I really don't think the TO are one of his problems....improved decision making would cut down on the INT's. But he protects the ball pretty well for someone that dropped back almost 800 times. (727 attempts, 35 rushes, and 29 sacks)

 

[kdp80]

Honestly think he played worse than Bradford this year, by far. Honestly not impressed with ANYTHING Stafford did this year, I could care less about how many yardshe threw for. We knew he was going to throw ints from time to time the day we got him, but now he has taken a liking to fumbling the fucking ball. Honestly disgusted by what I saw out of this kid this year. Honestly glad he didnt throw for 5k again this year, because its a record that should be broken by a qb that is actually winning games and deserving of praise. Stafford is not that guy...yet. I expect alot more out of him, and hope he ends up being what us fans thought he was coming into this season.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Stafford threw for a ton of yards, that is all he accomplished this season. Honestly think he played worse than Bradford this year, by far. Honestly not impressed with ANYTHING Stafford did this year, I could care less about how many yards for. We knew he was going to throw ints from time to time the day we got him, but now he has taken a liking to fumbling the fucking ball. Honestly disgusted by what I saw out of this kid this year.

Honestly?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Stafford dropped back almost 800 times and lost 4 fumbles?? 15 other QB's had as many or more lost fumbles than Stafford.....and NONE of them dropped back nearly as much.

 

[kdp80]

Yep, the guy was a mess in the redzone also this year. Is anyone really that high on Stafford right now? I dont understand how or why. Kid shit the bed as far as im concerned. Yards are expected with how many times he threw the ball, how do some of you not see that? I understand he had receivers injured, etc, but he had a ton of errant throws this year, and imo, he is deserving to be in the bottom of the league FOR THE YEAR as far as qbs go.

 

[wheels002]

I think part of Staff's issue this year was all the injuries at WR. Yes he had Calvin but as far as the 2nd option he really didnt have won much of the year. Nate was injured then Titus lost his damn mind. Then Broyles was playing well till he went down. Pettigrew also was out for a bit. Jaws has never liked Staff and has made it known.

 

[tsmith7559]

Stafford dropped back almost 800 times and lost 4 fumbles?? 15 other QB's had as many or more lost fumbles than Stafford.....and NONE of them dropped back nearly as much.

just seem like they came at the worst time...the GB fumble(for TD) sticks out.
his pick 6's were killers(AZ, GB)...other INT's thrown inside the redzone. The problem was the DB's had him pegged for throwing to the outside, where the vast majority were picked.
Later in the year the middle was wide open for throwing, the defenses knew our playbook of throwing to the sidelines

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Yep, the guy was a mess in the redzone also this year. Is anyone really that high on Stafford right now? I dont understand how or why. Kid shit the bed as far as im concerned. Yards are expected with how many times he threw the ball, how do some of you not see that? I understand he had receivers injured, etc, but he had a ton of errant throws this year, and imo, he is deserving to be in the bottom of the league FOR THE YEAR as far as qbs go.

Nobody is going to argue that Staff had a bad year. But simply blaming him is pretty short-sighted. Our 2,3 and 4 receivers all missed significant parts of the year. Our starting TE can't catch....and our back-up TE is our slot WR?? We had exactly one legit target for him to throw to....NO running game....questionable at best playcalling....and no threat out of the backfield.

Stafford missed an awful lot of open targets this year.....I know that.....EVERYONE knows that....and his pocket awareness and accurracy throwing from the pocket need to improve. But I'm not gonna get down on the guy. He is 24 (almost 25) and basically has been a starter for 2 1/2 years in the NFL. He's a great teammate.....loves football.....stays out of the media.....out of trouble....tries to build report with his teammates in the offseason.....and cares about the outcome of the games.

He'll be fine.

 

[mhughes0021]

he was awful in the redzone this year. Gotta convert red zone attempts to touchdowns and staff just flat out forgot how to throw a touchdown pass this year. calvin having bracket coverage should have made it even easier.

 

[mhughes0021]

Honestly think he played worse than Bradford this year, by far. Honestly not impressed with ANYTHING Stafford did this year, I could care less about how many yardshe threw for. We knew he was going to throw ints from time to time the day we got him, but now he has taken a liking to fumbling the fucking ball. Honestly disgusted by what I saw out of this kid this year. Honestly glad he didnt throw for 5k again this year, because its a record that should be broken by a qb that is actually winning games and deserving of praise. Stafford is not that guy...yet. I expect alot more out of him, and hope he ends up being what us fans thought he was coming into this season.

drew brees actually got 5k in back to back years.....they didnt win too many games either. Not to mention he has shit on his face where he tried to remove shit from his face....not deserving at all.

 

[jde7676]

he was awful in the redzone this year. Gotta convert red zone attempts to touchdowns and staff just flat out forgot how to throw a touchdown pass this year. calvin having bracket coverage should have made it even easier.

We had a lot of short yard rushing tds this year compared to last year. Most of those were set up by the pass. Example is Calvin being tackled at the 1 six times this year. Stafford also ran in 4 so those count for his TD totals.

 

[kdp80]

drew brees actually got 5k in back to back years.....they didnt win too many games either. Not to mention he has shit on his face where he tried to remove shit from his face....not deserving at all.

Brees has a ring, the undoubted LEADER of that SB run, so pretty much anything he does now is deserving of praise

 

[kdp80]

Who is the leader of this team? I honestly see that as one of the biggest problems with the Lions. I dont think they have one, and dont see Stafford having that quality in him. Do you guys? Or is he still just too young? Anybody else think about this?

 

[LKP]

The Lions had 11 less offensive TDS than last year and 8 more field goals. Lions had 19 less passing TDs and 8 more rushing TDs.

Stafford had longer drives needed it seems too with 17 less turnovers forced. That is a redzone problem. Stafford threw too hard at times in the redzone(maybe due to tight coverage) but the one on one matchups were rarely won by the Lions especially in the last quarter of the season working with junk other than Calvin, a couple drops(Mike Thomas/Pettigrew), the protection broke down a couple times against the Vikings/Bears/Pack home(coverage sack when Young was covered).

6 of Calvins first 8 TDs in 2011 he was in single coverage. Calvin had a few more bombs for TDs last year too. Bears game, Broncos game, Raiders game. Just the Texans game this year I believe.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Who is the leader of this team? I honestly see that as one of the biggest problems with the Lions. I dont think they have one, and dont see Stafford having that quality in him. Do you guys? Or is he still just too young? Anybody else think about this?

Give me a break. He's the leader, no question.