jaws puts staff at #20

[Slick]

Stafford did not put up huge numbers..stop saying that.

sure he did...in yards and attempts :cheers:

 

[beez]

Right, you're the only level headed one of the bunch it seems like. Completed under 60% of his passes, 20 tds, 17 ints and ranked 21st in yards per attempt..... thats not good.

 

[Slick]

I truly believe he played hurt for more then half of the season , and Id still rather have him then 2/3 of the guys in the league...hoping for a real good 2013

 

[beez]

I truly believe he played hurt for more then half of the season , and Id still rather have him then 2/3 of the guys in the league...hoping for a real good 2013

Like I said, he's better than #20 but theres no way to justify this was a good year that was depressed by last years stats. If people wanna play the injury card, I'm ok with that, I guess. But when every Lions fan I meet say hit 20 tds and 21st ranked ypa was a solid season because he threw 700+ times to make it look ok its a joke.

 

[LKP]

I say it's a solid season overall but there were some very poor games in there for sure. Arizona(4 picks), Green Bay home(2 picks and 40%) and even at Philly he was 40% throwing in a win but had clutch 4th Quarter play. Redzone needs work on some touch but his receivers really let him down inside the 20 be it with drops or lack of separation.

It's solid though because he moved the ball a good amount. The Lions actually ran the ball more than they did last year. Stafford had so many attempts because the Lions kept picking up 1st downs in comeback attempts which leads to more attempts. You could be down 20-3 and pass 3 times and have a 3 and out or just get one first down and then have to punt like most average to poor QBs. But with Stafford they would move the ball for several first downs and and then either fail in the redzone for a FG (8 more FGS than last year) or just not reach field goal range or there would some sort of fumble in the redzone (all of LeShoures 4 fumbles, one Bell fumble). All 3 of Calvins fumbles were after a nice completion by Stafford in a comeback attempt but then Calvin made a mistake. Both times Pettigrew fumbled, the Lions were driving in opponents territory then Pettigrew coughed it up. And sometimes the Oline let him down in the redzone (division games).

Next year is a big year for Stafford. The good news we saw firsthand he can have an elite year like in 2011. We've seen though that the elite years aren't a given. Hopefully he plays closer to 2011 next year. 30 TDs and 15 picks 4,500 yards I would take for 2013.

 

[beez]

Completed under 60% of his passes, 20 tds, 17 ints and ranked 21st in yards per attempt..... thats not good.

 

[LKP]

Completed under 60% of his passes, 20 tds, 17 ints and ranked 21st in yards per attempt..... thats not good.

4 rushing TDs, at least 4 TDs dropped. Hill added 2 when Stafford was out with an injury. You're in the 30 TD range there. 4 more RB rushing TDs than last year as well. He was over 60% when he had his weapons in the first 12 games. He had 6 picks in the last 4 games without weapons and only 11 picks in 12 games with his weapons(including one 3 pick game that was still a win because he played lights out other than the pick). So 8 picks in 11 games and a 3 pick game that was a Lions win because of Stafford but also close because of bad Stafford in the redzone.

17 picks can happen when you throw 200 more attempts than most QBs.

 

[beez]

4 rushing TDs, at least 4 TDs dropped. Hill added 2 when Stafford was out with an injury. You're in the 30 TD range there. 4 more RB rushing TDs than last year as well. He was over 60% when he had his weapons in the first 12 games. He had 6 picks in the last 4 games without weapons and only 11 picks in 12 games with his weapons(including one 3 pick game that was still a win because he played lights out other than the pick). So 8 picks in 11 games and a 3 pick game that was a Lions win because of Stafford but also close because of bad Stafford in the redzone.

17 picks can happen when you throw 200 more attempts than most QBs.

Other Qbs deal with the same things. I'm a Cowboys fan, I know all about dropped passes and guys being hurt. Sean Hill threw 2 tds when Staff was out...so. Because Hill did it Stafford would have? 4 more rushing tds..so... how many times did Stafford miss on a td opportunity? They had 4 more rushing tds, but he threw 20+ less tds... Don't blame his inaccuracy on weapons. Sure timing has to do with it, but I watched the Lions games and he was flat out missing throws. He'd go from being a surgeon to just blowing one. A 3 pick game he played phenomonal in and got a win. If he gets credit for a 3 int game's win then I'm giving him blame for all of those losses.

look I don't hate stafford and tend to think he's a good young qb...but don't be so biased. He didn't have an awful year but it wasn't good.

 

[LKP]

Other Qbs deal with the same things. I'm a Cowboys fan, I know all about dropped passes and guys being hurt. Sean Hill threw 2 tds when Staff was out...so. Because Hill did it Stafford would have? 4 more rushing tds..so... how many times did Stafford miss on a td opportunity? They had 4 more rushing tds, but he threw 20+ less tds... Don't blame his inaccuracy on weapons. Sure timing has to do with it, but I watched the Lions games and he was flat out missing throws. He'd go from being a surgeon to just blowing one. A 3 pick game he played phenomonal in and got a win. If he gets credit for a 3 int game's win then I'm giving him blame for all of those losses.

look I don't hate stafford and tend to think he's a good young qb...but don't be so biased. He didn't have an awful year but it wasn't good.

Not all QBs deal with the same amount of drops. Lions were near the top of the league. Romo had 10 less drops than him, 1 less hit as thrown, 1 less spike and 8 less thrown away due to good coverage.

Lions had 8 more rushing TDs overall than 2011. And 8 more field goals than 2011. 11 less offensive TDs(50 to 39) overall but 8 more field goals. That shows they moved the ball like I said which is why Staffords season was solid. And 7 less defensive TDs going from 7 in 2011 to 0 really hurt for close games. Plus doubling the returns allowed from 5 to 10.

There was some redzone woes but it wasn't all on Stafford. Stafford has to throw it harder due to tighter coverage. A touch pass would get picked. And I'm not noting the redzone drops to compare to any QB. Just noting that Stafford did what it took to get to 30 TDs in 2012. However, he was let down countless times in ther redzone by either his RBs(fumbles), his WRs or the Oline(pressure by the Packers, Vikings and Bears in the redzone). Some game scores even dictated problems. Down 20-6 due to Pettigrew TD drop resulting in a FG led to later 4 and out in the redzone(due to the Det Oline) against the vikings instead of a field goal. Same with the Bears game, LeShoure and Bell fumbles led to a desperation Stafford pick on 4th down down 13-0 instead of 13-6 score or more.

Stafford moved the chains well, especially without all his weapons but a doubled Calvin in the last 4 games. Redzone there were let downs by more than just Stafford.

 

[kdp80]

Lions won 4 games this year, the whole team failed. No matter how you look at it, Staffords slow starts, and erractic passing cost the Lions this season. You guys sugar coating it is laughable. Someone with alot of free time on their hands, needs to figure out the projected stats of other qbs(since obviously stats mean something to a few of you)had they thrown the ball as much as Stafford did.

 

[LKP]

Lions won 4 games this year, the whole team failed. No matter how you look at it, Staffords slow starts, and erractic passing cost the Lions this season. You guys sugar coating it is laughable. Someone with alot of free time on their hands, needs to figure out the projected stats of other qbs(since obviously stats mean something to a few of you)had they thrown the ball as much as Stafford did.

Depends what the situation is. Will these other QBS be missing WRs 2-4 and their top Tight End for 4 games to end the season. Will these other teams be down 13-0 instead of up 14-13 with 4 minutes because of 2 fumbles by their RBs in the redzone? Will these other teams be down 20-6 due to special teams TDs allowed, a drop by a TE and star WR and shoddy redzone Oline play? Will these other teams speed WR get jammed at the line by Casey Hayward causing the QB eventually getting sacked on a 3rd down in the redzone. Will these QBs be making a game tying drive deep into other team territory but have a CB rip the ball out of a Tight Ends hands and returned from a TD?

Matt Ryan would have 17 TDs and 20 ints is my projection. Romo 14 TDs and 28 ints. Eli Manning 18 TDs and 24 ints. Joe Flacco 2 TDs and 35 ints. Tim Tebow 0 TDs and 50 ints. Rodgers,Brees, Manning, Brady 27 TDs 16 ints.

 

[cmlfactor]

After this season the big issue I have with Stafford is now in the leadership aspect. So many times this year after a bad drive or a pick he'd just stand on the sideline with his hands on his hips, 20 feet away from any of his receivers...whereas you always see a guy like Peyton communicating with his guys and rallying the troops. I'm having a hard time recalling a time as well when Staff and Linehan would have a conversation on the sidelines, which also makes me wonder about a rift developing between the two. I think basically what I'm saying is I didn't see a whole lot of communication between Stafford and the rest of the team during games.

 

[mhughes0021]

Lions won 4 games this year, the whole team failed. No matter how you look at it, Staffords slow starts, and erractic passing cost the Lions this season. You guys sugar coating it is laughable. Someone with alot of free time on their hands, needs to figure out the projected stats of other qbs(since obviously stats mean something to a few of you)had they thrown the ball as much as Stafford did.

im guessing it should be more than 20 tds and 4900 yds. His average ypa was down. He didnt do a very good job of throwing to all 3 layers this year. A ton of dump downs and underneath routes. You didnt really see him him stretch the field and i dont recall very many jaw dropping throws where he fit it in. Aka...flaccos throw last week down the sideline. Not sure if it was the trust in his guys this year or playcalling....probably a combination of both. Hes terible when the play breaks down or the pocket colapses....he simply cant use his feet to extend plays like the really good qbs can. simply put....he needs to be better.

 

[kdp80]

After this season the big issue I have with Stafford is now in the leadership aspect. So many times this year after a bad drive or a pick he'd just stand on the sideline with his hands on his hips, 20 feet away from any of his receivers...whereas you always see a guy like Peyton communicating with his guys and rallying the troops. I'm having a hard time recalling a time as well when Staff and Linehan would have a conversation on the sidelines, which also makes me wonder about a rift developing between the two. I think basically what I'm saying is I didn't see a whole lot of communication between Stafford and the rest of the team during games.

I agree with questioning his leadership. Honestly would like to see some fire exhibited by Stafford. Anything besides sitting on the sidelines pouting after a mistake, especially if its a bad route and not entirely his fault.

 

[beez]

Depends what the situation is. Will these other QBS be missing WRs 2-4 and their top Tight End for 4 games to end the season. Will these other teams be down 13-0 instead of up 14-13 with 4 minutes because of 2 fumbles by their RBs in the redzone? Will these other teams be down 20-6 due to special teams TDs allowed, a drop by a TE and star WR and shoddy redzone Oline play? Will these other teams speed WR get jammed at the line by Casey Hayward causing the QB eventually getting sacked on a 3rd down in the redzone. Will these QBs be making a game tying drive deep into other team territory but have a CB rip the ball out of a Tight Ends hands and returned from a TD?

Matt Ryan would have 17 TDs and 20 ints is my projection. Romo 14 TDs and 28 ints. Eli Manning 18 TDs and 24 ints. Joe Flacco 2 TDs and 35 ints. Tim Tebow 0 TDs and 50 ints. Rodgers,Brees, Manning, Brady 27 TDs 16 ints.

wow.... as I said, all QB's go through shit like this. It's not just Stafford.

 

[LKP]

wow.... as I said, all QB's go through shit like this. It's not just Stafford.

Show me a QB missing his WRs 2-4 and TE at the same time for 4 or more games.

Show me a QB who's WR lined up wrong on purpose when trying to make a comeback late.

Show me a QB with more drops. There is only 2.

Show me a QB who's team allowed 4 special teams TDs and a fumble return for a TD.

Show me a QB with a good rating who's team had more than 16 fumbles lost.

Stafford had more crap go against them than most QBs in 2012.

 

[MaizeNCheese304]

Rodgers has had Jennings Jordy Cobb Benson and most of the Oline injured a lot.

 

[mhughes0021]

Rodgers has had Jennings Jordy Cobb Benson and most of the Oline injured a lot.

stop bringing all this sense to the lions board! LKP doesn't like sense!

 

[motown1958]

Rodgers didnt have all three of those guys out at once therefore it isnt reason. Also Staffords touchdowns went down because we were always getting the ball deep in our own end. Last year the defense made plays to give us several short fields which led to more touchdowns. But its ok hughes staff sucks lets get rid of him.

 

[LKP]

Rodgers has had Jennings Jordy Cobb Benson and most of the Oline injured a lot.

Not all at the same time. Once Jennings came back then Nelson went down. Finley, Cobb and Jones were healthy all year. Cobb missed 1 game I think. Rodgers has had way more weapons at his disposable.

Just Calvin is not enough. You need at least 2 guys who are capable. Durham, Robiskie, Scheffler and Mike Thomas aren't capable.