Joe The Plumber Wins

[turok]

Probably because post offices all over are closing in small towns, because the cost of delivering/sorting/transporting mail is greater than the money taken in my postage fee's.

Not to mention all the Postal workers who have to be paid a fair wage, and insurance benefits, and pensions.

If it were a business it would be in the red.

of course, but it's not a business. it's a service provided by the government.

now... I may be CRAZY, but I don't think it's a bad thing that post office workers receive decent pay and benefits... and of course, they go out an buy things, own houses, pay taxes, and all that jazz, so their wages are recirculated into the economy. It's not like that money gets shipped to a bank in the Caymans.

sure it would be great if we could fire all of them, and hire foreign laborers who could work insanely long shifts, at starvation wages, without any sort of health benefits, insurance, worker's compensation, etc. if they get injured on the job, just throw their mangled carcass out in the fields and let them starve; plenty more where they came from. But unfortunately, we actually have to use the domestic labor pool to do the work, and employ citizens or lawful residents, and protected by federal and state labor laws... bummer, eh?

Right?

Joe Public doesn't realize how much money it costs the USPS to provide security and FEDERAL protection from fraud and/or theft of personal/business identification-information in the form of the Office of the USPS Inspector General. So a private for-profit company who gets a piece of the more profitable urban/suburban districts, will be given nearly federal-government-like powers and authority, and will have every reason to co-operate with its competitors, when forwarding mail or a parcel/package that did not originate, nor is destined for delivery to a business or residency within its territory...lol.

Of course, rightwing websites like for example, The Heritage Foundation, has authored many an article giving reasons why the USPS should be broken up and privatized, while ignoring what I posted above. They just want to see everything with the exceptions of the three representative branches of local/state and federal governments and the military to become privatized.

 

[Michchamp]

Of course, rightwing websites like for example, The Heritage Foundation, has authored many an article giving reasons why the USPS should be broken up and privatized, while ignoring what I posted above. They just want to see everything with the exceptions of the three representative branches of local/state and federal governments and the military to become privatized.

yep. and making the problem even worse is when PR flacks get those same articles planted on Fox News, the WSJ, or any other "legitimate" media outlet. It gives them another layer of credibility and amplifies the message. And of course, they consider that lazy cut and paste job "journalism" even though actual journalism would be to present the counter arguments toward privatization, at the very least.

 

[Thumb]

Probably because post offices all over are closing in small towns, because the cost of delivering/sorting/transporting mail is greater than the money taken in my postage fee's.

Not to mention all the Postal workers who have to be paid a fair wage, and insurance benefits, and pensions.

If it were a business it would be in the red.

of course, but it's not a business. it's a service provided by the government.

now... I may be CRAZY, but I don't think it's a bad thing that post office workers receive decent pay and benefits... and of course, they go out an buy things, own houses, pay taxes, and all that jazz, so their wages are recirculated into the economy. It's not like that money gets shipped to a bank in the Caymans.

sure it would be great if we could fire all of them, and hire foreign laborers who could work insanely long shifts, at starvation wages, without any sort of health benefits, insurance, worker's compensation, etc. if they get injured on the job, just throw their mangled carcass out in the fields and let them starve; plenty more where they came from. But unfortunately, we actually have to use the domestic labor pool to do the work, and employ citizens or lawful residents, and protected by federal and state labor laws... bummer, eh?

Right?

Was anyone complaining about what postal workers were paid?

I was just explaining why people think the USPS is broke, I don't know why you're ranting at me, or what you're basing it off, maybe you are CRAZY, cause nobody said shit about what your going off on.

 

[KAWDUP]

It was an advanced strike. He doesn't put words in your mouth - he just assumes you already thought it and would post if he gave you the chance. Then posts his best argument against it.

It is what he does. He's a master (de)bater don't ya know.

 

[Michchamp]

of course, but it's not a business. it's a service provided by the government.

now... I may be CRAZY, but I don't think it's a bad thing that post office workers receive decent pay and benefits... and of course, they go out an buy things, own houses, pay taxes, and all that jazz, so their wages are recirculated into the economy. It's not like that money gets shipped to a bank in the Caymans.

sure it would be great if we could fire all of them, and hire foreign laborers who could work insanely long shifts, at starvation wages, without any sort of health benefits, insurance, worker's compensation, etc. if they get injured on the job, just throw their mangled carcass out in the fields and let them starve; plenty more where they came from. But unfortunately, we actually have to use the domestic labor pool to do the work, and employ citizens or lawful residents, and protected by federal and state labor laws... bummer, eh?

Right?

Was anyone complaining about what postal workers were paid?

I was just explaining why people think the USPS is broke, I don't know why you're ranting at me, or what you're basing it off, maybe you are CRAZY, cause nobody said shit about what your going off on.

I say YOU are crazy, and YOU are ranting at me!

STOP RANTING AT ME!

 

[tinselwolverine]

When you pay for cable, you wait on hold an hour for the cable operator.

When you wait on hold an hour for the cable operator, you get frustrated.

When you get frusrated, you go on the internet.

When you go on the internet, you go to the Detroitsportsproboard.

When you go to the Detroitsportsproboard, you go to the political board.

When you go to the political board, you start ranting at MichChamp.

Stop ranting at MichChamp.

 

[tsmith7559]

how does it make sense that the post office is broke? Why do people (usually really stupid people) keep saying that? the post office is a public service we pay for. It's not supposed to make money.

government isn't supposed to make money. it's supposed to protect its citizens, and provide for the general welfare.

private corporations are supposed to make money, not the government. people have things all mixed up. they don't actually understand how the world works, and yet they confuse the issues and cause more problems for the rest of us when they run their big stupid uninformed mouths, instead of going about their business: bagging my groceries, filling the potholes in my street, digging ditches, or asking me if I want fries with that.

Probably because post offices all over are closing in small towns, because the cost of delivering/sorting/transporting mail is greater than the money taken in my postage fee's.

Not to mention all the Postal workers who have to be paid a fair wage, and insurance benefits, and pensions.

If it were a business it would be in the red.

it is in the red.......deep red

 

[Michchamp]

TinselWolverine[/color]]When you pay for cable, you wait on hold an hour for the cable operator.

When you wait on hold an hour for the cable operator, you get frustrated.

When you get frusrated, you go on the internet.

When you go on the internet, you go to the Detroitsportsproboard.

When you go to the Detroitsportsproboard, you go to the political board.

When you go to the political board, you start ranting at MichChamp.

Stop ranting at MichChamp.

LOL +1.

 

[Michchamp]

It was an advanced strike. He doesn't put words in your mouth - he just assumes you already thought it and would post if he gave you the chance. Then posts his best argument against it.

It is what he does. He's a master (de)bater don't ya know.

Take it from KAWDUP... he'll tell ya how to deal with those lawyer types...

 

[TheVictors]

TinselWolverine[/color]]When you pay for cable, you wait on hold an hour for the cable operator.

When you wait on hold an hour for the cable operator, you get frustrated.

When you get frusrated, you go on the internet.

When you go on the internet, you go to the Detroitsportsproboard.

When you go to the Detroitsportsproboard, you go to the political board.

When you go to the political board, you start ranting at MichChamp.

Stop ranting at MichChamp.

LOL +1.

Nice!

 

[cheeno]

TinselWolverine[/color]]When you pay for cable, you wait on hold an hour for the cable operator.

When you wait on hold an hour for the cable operator, you get frustrated.

When you get frusrated, you go on the internet.

When you go on the internet, you go to the Detroitsportsproboard.

When you go to the Detroitsportsproboard, you go to the political board.

When you go to the political board, you start ranting at MichChamp.

Stop ranting at MichChamp.

If anything deserves a +1

 

[KAWDUP]

It was an advanced strike. He doesn't put words in your mouth - he just assumes you already thought it and would post if he gave you the chance. Then posts his best argument against it.

It is what he does. He's a master (de)bater don't ya know.

Take it from KAWDUP... he'll tell ya how to deal with those lawyer types...

No one needs me to tell them anything - you put that crap out there for all to see just about every day.

 

[tsmith7559]

just sent Joe some dough.......

 

[byco42]

I just sent Joe some plumber's putty to stick in his mouth.

 

[tsmith7559]

I just sent Joe some plumber's putty to stick in his mouth.

really, what dont you like about him

 

[byco42]

I just sent Joe some plumber's putty to stick in his mouth.

really, what dont you like about him

It's a riff. That's all. But Joe's going to have to be smarter about responding to the snarks and rapid dogs that will seek to discredit him.

 

[tsmith7559]

really, what dont you like about him

It's a riff. That's all. But Joe's going to have to be smarter about responding to the snarks and rapid dogs that will seek to discredit him.

whether he is dem/repub it would be nice to get some common folk in office that has a little dose of reality and not someone stuck in DC for the last 30 years

 

[Thumb]

It's a riff. That's all. But Joe's going to have to be smarter about responding to the snarks and rapid dogs that will seek to discredit him.

whether he is dem/repub it would be nice to get some common folk in office that has a little dose of reality and not someone stuck in DC for the last 30 years

This may be the first and only thing you have ever said we will ever agree on.

As bad as the 2 party system is, the worst thing hurting our government is career politicians, who forgot what it was like to be a constituent.

 

[deathroh]

Marcy Kaptur will whipe the floor with him.

oh for sure. That guy is as much of a clown as Sarah Palin.

is Kaptur who beat Kucinich in the primary? I read his district boundaries were changed prior to these primaries.

Kaptur was already in congress, right? I know I've heard her name before. Did Ohio lose a rep or something? Sounds like ohio dems got screwed royally by the redistricting that was done.

Yeah, Ohio lost two. Kaptur's been representating the Toledo area for something like 30 years.