keep it in the "D"

[hellifino]

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg612/scaled.php?tn=0&server=612&filename=x17pk.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

 

[tomdalton22]

JV certainly isn't playing like an MVP this year!

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...2&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...2&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...2&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8700&position=P

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching/_/league/al/sort/runSupportPerStart/type/expanded-2
Run Support.

 

[tomdalton22]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...2&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...2&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...2&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8700&position=P

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching/_/league/al/sort/runSupportPerStart/type/expanded-2
Run Support.

He has been one of the best pitchers this year but not MVP caliber. He has given up 15 runs in his last 3 starts....that probably took him out of the Cy race as well.

 

[kalinecountry]

He has been one of the best pitchers this year but not MVP caliber. He has given up 15 runs in his last 3 starts....that probably took him out of the Cy race as well.



I agree Tom, last year was one of those once every 20 or so years a pitcher is just at an even higher level of greatness.
I do think he would be in line for more consideration of Cy Young this year, if not for the low run support, because as much as won loss is used less and less in voting, it still matters to those that vote. All his stats, despite past few games, are close to last years, except the won/loss which is why I included the run support link.

 

[tomdalton22]

He has been one of the best pitchers this year but not MVP caliber. He has given up 15 runs in his last 3 starts....that probably took him out of the Cy race as well.



I agree Tom, last year was one of those once every 20 or so years a pitcher is just at an even higher level of greatness.
I do think he would be in line for more consideration of Cy Young this year, if not for the low run support, because as much as won loss is used less and less in voting, it still matters to those that vote. All his stats, despite past few games, are close to last years, except the won/loss which is why I included the run support link.

He might be able to get back into the Cy race IF he has 4 great starts to finish the season and the Tigers make the playoffs.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Price doesn't deserve it and Weaver is like JV, some struggles. Anyone else in the running?

 

[Thumb]

Why doesn't Price deserve it?

 

[tomdalton22]

I think Trout will win it.....and probably should. He has a freaking 10.3 WAR....that is crazy!

 

[xer0]

trout winning the mvp would be an absolute joke.

and i don't give a fuck what WAR or any of these other garbage, made up stats say.

 

[Thumb]

trout winning the mvp would be an absolute joke.

and i don't give a fuck what WAR or any of these other garbage, made up stats say.

Garbage made up stats?

As opposed to the "Trout winning MVP would be an absolute joke" stat?

And if you toss the sabermetric stats out the window, Trout as MVP still has pretty solid footing, it's going to come down to the wire.

 

[hellifino]

right now it's Miggys too lose.

 

[Me]

If voting were today, I bet Trout would win it by a landslide. Those stats are MVP worthy, but I think many will vote for him just because it is a rookie putting up those stats. My question is, how much do you value stolen bases? Thats really the only thing Trout is dominating Cabrera over.

I also think the meaning of MVP has been changed to "Best player". Is Cabrera more important to Detroit, or is Trout more valuable to LA? Does anyone think Detroit would even be .500 without Miggy?

 

[hellifino]

If voting were today, I bet Trout would win it by a landslide. Those stats are MVP worthy, but I think many will vote for him just because it is a rookie putting up those stats. My question is, how much do you value stolen bases? Thats really the only thing Trout is dominating Cabrera over.

I also think the meaning of MVP has been changed to "Best player". Is Cabrera more important to Detroit, or is Trout more valuable to LA? Does anyone think Detroit would even be .500 without Miggy?

Trouts stats are excellent, regardless of being a rookie or not, but loses out in the power numbers against BEAST.

 

[Me]

Trouts stats are excellent, regardless of being a rookie or not, but loses out in the power numbers against BEAST.

His power numbers are really not that bad. If he would have played 144 games this year, he would have somewhere between 30-32 HRs.

 

[Thumb]

If voting were today, I bet Trout would win it by a landslide. Those stats are MVP worthy, but I think many will vote for him just because it is a rookie putting up those stats. My question is, how much do you value stolen bases? Thats really the only thing Trout is dominating Cabrera over.

I also think the meaning of MVP has been changed to "Best player". Is Cabrera more important to Detroit, or is Trout more valuable to LA? Does anyone think Detroit would even be .500 without Miggy?

And GG caliber Defense.

 

[gotime909]

And GG caliber Defense.

Unfortunately, this could be the difference.

 

[Thumb]

Unfortunately, this could be the difference.

I actually think the biggest difference will be who makes the playoffs.

If the Tigers miss the playoffs I think it will be near impossible for Miggy to win.

If the Angels miss the WC, I still think Trout has a good shot because everyone has been talking about him for the last 4 months.

But if Detroit wins the Central and LAA missed the WC, Miggy wins.

 

[gotime909]

Yeah, I was leaving the team finish out. Just their individual play. I've always hated that team performance factors into an "individual" award, but history does prove it does.

 

[Thumb]

Yeah, I was leaving the team finish out. Just their individual play. I've always hated that team performance factors into an "individual" award, but history does prove it does.

I'm not saying I agree with it, just that that's the way it is.

Cabrera got robbed in 2010 for the same reason, even though Hamilton missed 30 games.