LOL @ Bill O

[TheVictors]

http://gawker.com/5990571/bill-oreillys-divorce-is-so-ugly-god-got-involved

 

[Mitchrapp]

Nothing to see there. Custody battles are always fk'd up. He just happens to be in the spotlight.

 

[TheVictors]

yeah, most divorces involve this sort of bullshit where the local police dept is involved in conducting secret investigations on an ex-spouse ..

 

[byco42]

Boooooring.

 

[Michchamp]

Boooooring.

I was agreeing with you - after all, we all know O'Reilly is a creep, a bully, and a hypocrite - until I got to this part:

Another indication that it has become poisonous: the Catholic Church has gotten involved. Gawker has learned that McPhilmy has been formally reprimanded in writing by her church for continuing to take communion in her Long Island parish despite having been divorced and remarried?a no-no according to the Pope. The reprimand also instructed her to stop telling her children that her second marriage, to the Nassau County detective O'Reilly tried to destroy, is valid in the eyes of God. It warned her that if she didn't comply, harsher measures may be in order.
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This is some real medieval stuff. Who knew you could still get the church to intervene personally like that? I guess... even I'm a little surprised by it.

Harsher measures?

 

[byco42]

I was agreeing with you - after all, we all know O'Reilly is a creep, a bully, and a hypocrite - until I got to this part:

Another indication that it has become poisonous: the Catholic Church has gotten involved. Gawker has learned that McPhilmy has been formally reprimanded in writing by her church for continuing to take communion in her Long Island parish despite having been divorced and remarried—a no-no according to the Pope. The reprimand also instructed her to stop telling her children that her second marriage, to the Nassau County detective O'Reilly tried to destroy, is valid in the eyes of God. It warned her that if she didn't comply, harsher measures may be in order.
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This is some real medieval stuff. Who knew you could still get the church to intervene personally like that? I guess... even I'm a little surprised by it.

Harsher measures?

The Gawker is always my go-to source on matters of Catholic Canon Law. The "no-no" is not the Pope's edict, it's in the Beatitudes. Jesus' own words, in fact. Mistake #1. And the fact that the parish church may have, you know, NOTICED that the woman was not with O'Reilly anymore and discovered that she was divorcedand remarried is not "poisonous" at all: it's in violation with the Church she claims to belong to. Mistake #2. Can't have it 15 different ways. If she's a Catholic, she knows the stakes of her actions. And the term "harsher measures" is the Gawkers' not the Church's.

The level of objectivity in this piece is non-existent. WR Hearst was never this opinionated, even he'd have blanched at the "toxicity" of this article.

 

[Michchamp]

oh.

well... does O'Reilly also have to stop going to church and receiving communion then? I guess I know enough divorced people that still go to church and receive communion without any problems. It's not like they dissolved into goo like in the end of Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark when they ate the host either. Nothing happened. I don't have a problem with them refusing any one who doesn't conform with their religious laws and such, I just think they should apply those consistently. But I understand the church would have an interest in policing behavior that openly flouts its authority, so I could see if as a high-profile divorcee she was on their radar, but Bill should be too, right?

and come on... Hearst was definitely that bad. the guy got a war started against spain to sell newspapers for crying out loud.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Did she divorce O'Reilly to get with the cop? Or did she get with the cop after she and O'Reilly had split?

 

[tinselwolverine]

and come on... Hearst was definitely that bad. the guy got a war started against spain to sell newspapers for crying out loud.

I gotta go with Champ on this one; not only that, but if Hearst was equal to the Hearst in the modern time as he was in his time, I would imagine he would have taken a profound dislike to O'Reilly and gone after O'Reilly, if O'Reilly had given any indication that he himself, O'Reilly in fact, would have been more influential and important than Hearst himself.

Which O'Reilly would have.

 

[byco42]

oh.

well... does O'Reilly also have to stop going to church and receiving communion then? I guess I know enough divorced people that still go to church and receive communion without any problems. It's not like they dissolved into goo like in the end of Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark when they ate the host either. Nothing happened. I don't have a problem with them refusing any one who doesn't conform with their religious laws and such, I just think they should apply those consistently. But I understand the church would have an interest in policing behavior that openly flouts its authority, so I could see if as a high-profile divorcee she was on their radar, but Bill should be too, right?

and come on... Hearst was definitely that bad. the guy got a war started against spain to sell newspapers for crying out loud.

Did O'Reilly remarry? And you are using a MOVIE to make a point about the facts of taking Holy Communion? You are better than that. St. Paul spelled out the reasons why people should be careful as to when to accept Communion and when not to. And the Gawker is no more newsworthy that the fictitious New York Sun. That's my point.

 

[Michchamp]

so... if you divorce but not remarry, you can accept communion, but if you remarry, all bets are off. Do you have to get an annulment? I actually did not know this.

But that makes sense when I remember that Henry VIII had to start his own church when he couldn't get an annulment.

 

[byco42]

so... if you divorce but not remarry, you can accept communion, but if you remarry, all bets are off. Do you have to get an annulment? I actually did not know this.

But that makes sense when I remember that Henry VIII had to start his own church when he couldn't get an annulment.

Exactly. Meaning if you are married in the Church and get divorced and do not obtain an annulment. None of this changes the fact that O'Reilly's can be a tool. His books on Lincoln and Kennedy are remedial ... I'd never even consider submitting them to a publisher. Goes to show that if you have a name, you can publish a book on anything and fool enough people in to reading it.

 

[Michchamp]

interesting. I always figured the bigger sin in the eyes of the church would be the divorce w/o annulment, not the remarrying part. Maybe because they can't stop you from getting divorced, but they can keep you from getting married in the church again.

according to Wikipedia Bill O hasn't remarried yet. Wonder if he will, and if he'll get an annulment first.

 

[byco42]

interesting. I always figured the bigger sin in the eyes of the church would be the divorce w/o annulment, not the remarrying part. Maybe because they can't stop you from getting divorced, but they can keep you from getting married in the church again.

according to Wikipedia Bill O hasn't remarried yet. Wonder if he will, and if he'll get an annulment first.

Right. The divorce is not the issue, though it's obviously discouraged. It's unpopular these days to deny people something that is not an inalienable right in the first place.

 

[redandguilty]

I don't think there is such a thing as divorce as far as the Church is concerned. A marriage can be annulled; that's the only option available. Civil divorce just isn't recognized and nobody brings it up.

 

[byco42]

I don't think there is such a thing as divorce as far as the Church is concerned. A marriage can be annulled; that's the only option available. Civil divorce just isn't recognized and nobody brings it up.

There are mitigating circumstances. A person divorced who did not want to be is a case different from one who initiates one.

 

[tinselwolverine]

so... if you divorce but not remarry, you can accept communion, but if you remarry, all bets are off. Do you have to get an annulment? I actually did not know this.

But that makes sense when I remember that Henry VIII had to start his own church when he couldn't get an annulment.

Well, O'Reilly is such an arrogant prick that if he doesn't get his annulment, he just might try and do the same thing...

 

[byco42]

Well, O'Reilly is such an arrogant prick that if he doesn't get his annulment, he just might try and do the same thing...

He's free to do that, but don't expect the Church to accept his actions.

 

[redandguilty]

There are mitigating circumstances. A person divorced who did not want to be is a case different from one who initiates one.

I know it would be viewed differently, but practically speaking, nothing happens either way most of the time, does it? In a typical Church people would know if a couple were divorced, but nobody would withhold Communion. I can't think of a specific example now that I'm trying to though. Now that I'm thinking about it, the divorce rates at my Church were remarkably low relative to the rest of the nation.

 

[byco42]

I know it would be viewed differently, but practically speaking, nothing happens either way most of the time, does it? In a typical Church people would know if a couple were divorced, but nobody would withhold Communion. I can't think of a specific example now that I'm trying to though. Now that I'm thinking about it, the divorce rates at my Church were remarkably low relative to the rest of the nation.

The Church does not withhold communion from divorced spouses who have not remarried.