Looting and violence in NC

[Gulo Blue]

There's a lot of partisanship, but there are two stories out there, one about a book, one about a gun, and at different times different parts of each story were 'known' to different people. As if it's not bad enough that so many people react to the first thing they hear and don't bother to learn the facts later, on top of it, there's partisan pressure to react right away and take a side. Every time. Nobody knows crap yet, but everybody's already entrenched in their position. And the truth, whatever it is, isn't really going to impact things going forward because everybody is only going to remember a version of things (as broadcasted by their network of choice) that aligns with what their opinion would have been anyway.

 

[byco42]

I am an understanding person, so I know you have to make shit up to justify your position since you're on thin (racist) ice here, so to speak. because I am so understanding, I'll just pretend you made a point and move on.

In other news, the police chief in the NC case said video doesn't show absolutely positively incontrovertible evidence the suspect had a gun. Odd way of phrasing it, but I guess that sounds better than "Our officers might be lying to cover their asses." and he still won't release the video, although I guess they will show his family.

“The video does not give me absolute, definitive, visual evidence that would confirm that a person is pointing a gun." That's what the Chief Putney said. Reports also state that Scott did have a gun in his hand when he exited the vehicle. Putney also has said a gun was recovered on the scene and not a book.

 

[Gulo Blue]

That's pretty interesting. Definitely seems to be a benefit of a doubt provided unequally.

crazy vs. crazy ass mofo trying to kill me

Thinking a bit more about this...it might make sense if the types of mental illnesses that put a person in this situation more closely scale to population and not to wealth. 39 of 250 is 15.6% of the people shot with signs of mental illness, which isn't that far off from the national demographic breakdown.

However, another way to look at the numbers is to say that IF police shootings of black people are higher because black people make up a disproportionate percentage of the poor population AND you think that police shootings are not related to wealth, THEN it makes sense to look at the total number of police shootings with the mental illness cases removed.

Removing shootings involving signs of mental illness, there were 338 white people shot (45.7%) and 219 black people shot (29.6%)

 

[Spartanmack]

I am an understanding person, so I know you have to make shit up to justify your position since you're on thin (racist) ice here, so to speak. because I am so understanding, I'll just pretend you made a point and move on.

In other news, the police chief in the NC case said video doesn't show absolutely positively incontrovertible evidence the suspect had a gun. Odd way of phrasing it, but I guess that sounds better than "Our officers might be lying to cover their asses." and he still won't release the video, although I guess they will show his family.

no, you're a racist, race baiting bigot - easily the least understanding person on this board - and one of the dumbest. but yeah, my viewpoint is supported by all the facts and data and you're the one who screams racism (without a single shred of evidence) and I'm the one on thin ice. More classic turd.

 

[Spartanmack]

I am an understanding person, so I know you have to make shit up to justify your position since you're on thin (racist) ice here, so to speak. because I am so understanding, I'll just pretend you made a point and move on.

In other news, the police chief in the NC case said video doesn't show absolutely positively incontrovertible evidence the suspect had a gun. Odd way of phrasing it, but I guess that sounds better than "Our officers might be lying to cover their asses." and he still won't release the video, although I guess they will show his family.

?The video does not give me absolute, definitive, visual evidence that would confirm that a person is pointing a gun." That's what the Chief Putnam said. Reports also state that Scott did have a gun in his hand when he exited the vehicle. Putnam also has said a gun was recovered on the scene and not a book.

funny how often your posts don't stand up to any scrutiny. I would think by now you'd be aware of the fact that other people have access to Al Gore's world wide web yet you continue to post here like a writer for Salon or Vox.

 

[byco42]

Thankfully, yesterday was far more peaceful than Wednesday. I hope that something good ultimately comes out of this. I read that 70% of the people arrested were from out of state, according to CMPD.

 

[Michchamp]

“The video does not give me absolute, definitive, visual evidence that would confirm that a person is pointing a gun." That's what the Chief Putney said. Reports also state that Scott did have a gun in his hand when he exited the vehicle. Putney also has said a gun was recovered on the scene and not a book.

reports... from whom? the cops on the scene? the cops who shot him? the only commentary on the video I saw was the chief's comment and then one from the local police union defending the cop's actions. why the police union gets to see it immediately, I don't know.

I don't know what's in the video, but I suspect if it helped their story we would've seen it leaked immediately.

the police chief here was questioned by some smart ass reporter how he can square his refusal to release the video with his prior pledge for transparency. he responded he didn't mean "total transparency" and "transparency is in the eye of the beholder."

Reasonable people can disagree on what is or is not transparent now.

 

[byco42]

reports... from whom? the cops on the scene? the cops who shot him? the only commentary on the video I saw was the chief's comment and then one from the local police union defending the cop's actions. why the police union gets to see it immediately, I don't know.

Chief Putney's Statement:

These are the facts as we know them right now based on statements from witnesses and evidence gathered from the scene:

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016, at 3:54 p.m., officers from the Metro Division Crime Reduction Unit were searching for a suspect with an outstanding warrant at The Village at College Downs.

Officers observed a subject, Mr. Keith Lamont Scott, inside a vehicle in the apartment complex. The subject exited the vehicle armed with a handgun. Officers observed the subject get back into the vehicle at which time they began to approach the subject.

Officers gave loud and clear verbal commands, corroborated by witnesses, for the subject to drop the weapon.

In spite of these verbal commands, Mr. Scott exited the vehicle still armed with the handgun as officers continued to tell him to drop his weapon.​

I don't know what's in the video, but I suspect if it helped their story we would've seen it leaked immediately.

That's not the reason why it's being withheld

the police chief here was questioned by some smart ass reporter how he can square his refusal to release the video with his prior pledge for transparency. he responded he didn't mean "total transparency" and "transparency is in the eye of the beholder."

SBI is investigating this. I trust this chief and his methods.

 

[Spartanmack]

Chief Putney's Statement:

These are the facts as we know them right now based on statements from witnesses and evidence gathered from the scene:

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016, at 3:54 p.m., officers from the Metro Division Crime Reduction Unit were searching for a suspect with an outstanding warrant at The Village at College Downs.

Officers observed a subject, Mr. Keith Lamont Scott, inside a vehicle in the apartment complex. The subject exited the vehicle armed with a handgun. Officers observed the subject get back into the vehicle at which time they began to approach the subject.

Officers gave loud and clear verbal commands, corroborated by witnesses, for the subject to drop the weapon.

In spite of these verbal commands, Mr. Scott exited the vehicle still armed with the handgun as officers continued to tell him to drop his weapon.​

That's not the reason why it's being withheld



SBI is investigating this. I trust this chief and his methods. EDIT: Just got word the video was released.

The only video I've been able to find is the cell phone video from the victim's wife. It was shot at a distance and doesn't not show the victim or the actual shooting - you just hear the shots, then she approaches and you can see the victim laying on the ground. It sounds like there are 2 police videos that have been shown to the family and are expected to be released. The searches I've done only have the cell phone video from his wife.

 

[byco42]

The only video I've been able to find is the cell phone video from the victim's wife. It was shot at a distance and doesn't not show the victim or the actual shooting - you just hear the shots, then she approaches and you can see the victim laying on the ground. It sounds like there are 2 police videos that have been shown to the family and are expected to be released. The searches I've done only have the cell phone video from his wife.

I "got word" but it was apparently the wrong video.

 

[tomdalton22]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...rican-americans-boycott-work-monday/91078734/

Actor Isaiah Washington telling all black people to not go to work or school today as a sigh of protest.

Don't get paid or educated...Brilliant

 

[Spartanmack]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...rican-americans-boycott-work-monday/91078734/

Actor Isaiah Washington telling all black people to not go to work or school today as a sigh of protest.

Don't get paid or educated...Brilliant

well, you don't need to go to school to learn that riots and looting aren't violence. you can just got to the BLM website to read DeRay McKesson explain both the practical and tactical benefits of looting and the establishment and maintenance of property rights is the real violence.

 

[tomdalton22]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvPq2y5i6oM

 

[byco42]

^^^^^^^^^^ This footage is a week old ^^^^^^^^^^^^ unless I am gravely mistaken.

 

[tomdalton22]

^^^^^^^^^^ This footage is a week old ^^^^^^^^^^^^ unless I am gravely mistaken.

I hadn't seen it until today. I didn't see the white guy or girl getting assaulted in the parking garage or any of the looting footage. I definitely didn't see it on the news.

 

[byco42]

I hadn't seen it until today. I didn't see the white guy or girl getting assaulted in the parking garage or any of the looting footage. I definitely didn't see it on the news.

I saw the garage assault and the chaos in front of the Omni hotel, where the man was shot and killed by another protester. And the windows being smashed. Since then, reason has prevailed for the most part.

 

[Monster]

The double standard is strong with the media. One white racist incident and it's national news with a hash tag to go with it. A black man is shot by cops? Every liberal rag runs with it for weeks. White guy gets shot? Lucky if it makes local news. Did anyone know that 5 other men were shot and killed by cops on the day the Charlotte guy was killed? No? Well you wouldn't because they were white. No demands for video or protests against cops. Nothing but crickets. The world believes we are racist because that is the only thing shown and reported. I wonder why the incidents in this video never got as much attention...

https://youtu.be/Ua8Zeo0yH8M

 

[Monster]

Also, think about this...some idiot white girl put on one of those cleansing masks and her friend took a picture and hashtagged black lives matter. She was labeled a racist and had hundreds of death threats. Now why does that deserve national attention and the videos above don't? It's race. And if you don't believe cops are racists and that white people have made it hard for black people to succeed...you are a racist.

 

[Spartanmack]

Also, think about this...some idiot white girl put on one of those cleansing masks and her friend took a picture and hashtagged black lives matter. She was labeled a racist and had hundreds of death threats. Now why does that deserve national attention and the videos above don't? It's race. And if you don't believe cops are racists and that white people have made it hard for black people to succeed...you are a racist.

sadly, the response from race baiters, to posts like this is that you're racist and a poor sad white person who thinks he's a victim even though you've talked only about the lack of objectivity and pointed out the biased, entirely one-sided coverage by the media. To them, there is no reasonable discussion of race - if you don't think America is racist, then you're a racist. It's the lefty race baiter, Saul Alinsky playbook to a "T" - when you don't have facts to support your position, hurl accusations, label, villainize and call the opposition names to falsely claim the moral high ground.

 

[Monster]

sadly, the response from race baiters, to posts like this is that you're racist and a poor sad white person who thinks he's a victim even though you've talked only about the lack of objectivity and pointed out the biased, entirely one-sided coverage by the media. To them, there is no reasonable discussion of race - if you don't think America is racist, then you're a racist. It's the lefty race baiter, Saul Alinsky playbook to a "T" - when you don't have facts to support your position, hurl accusations, label, villainize and call the opposition names to falsely claim the moral high ground.

This is 2016. I've come to accept that disagreeing with and hating a woman is sexism, especially if you call her a name. You are a racist if you disagree with and hate a person of color, unless that person is a conservative... In those cases, fuck them, they deserve it.