Material support for terrorism

[Michchamp]

Let's say, hypothetically speaking, a particular group advocates a particular political position. and to achieve that position, advocates the use of violence (including murder), on a frequent and ongoing basis. Such groups also provide literature on the topic, including disclosing the names, addresses, & work places of their political opponents, knowingly exposing such individuals to severe physical harm and even death, as they are encouraging others to use such information to commit violent acts with the goal of creating an environment of fear, as a means to achieve their political goal... shouldn't that be prosecuted as "material support for terrorism" as similar acts have?

For the record, I think that law is overbroad, and infringes on protected conduct (namely speech) but it seems to be only enforced selectively, and certain conduct, such as that described above, which fits the literal definition of terrorism, is not called terrorism by those in positions of authority. Why not?

 

[Gulo Blue]

I'm not sure which case you're talking about...sound like a reasonable argument as you describe it.

There's another case people are talking about online about an individual inciting people to violence and the distinction they're making is whether or not the call to violence is imminent. "Someone should murder that guy across town tonight" might be different enough from "Go get that guy over there."

But that's a different issue from material support for terrorism.

 

[Michchamp]

I'm just wondering why "material support for terrorism" charges would ever be enforced selectively.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I'm just wondering why "material support for terrorism" charges would ever be enforced selectively.

Looking at the link you posted, they have to be enforced selectively. They're too broad to enforce everywhere they apply.

 

[Michchamp]

Looking at the link you posted, they have to be enforced selectively. They're too broad to enforce everywhere they apply.

it has nothing to do with politics?

 

[Gulo Blue]

it has nothing to do with politics?

I'm sure it does. But it's clearly a bad law to begin with. Seems like it can only be used this way.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I'm not sure which case you're talking about...sound like a reasonable argument as you describe it.

I think champ has brought this up in relationship to the nut job who shot up the Planned Parenthood or whatever in Colorado.

On the news yesterday some Planned Parenthood add the kids were claiming that pro-life zealots routinely stock and harass Planned Parenthood employees and doctors.

The pro lifers that I saw responding to this were claiming that mainstream pro life advocates never engage in activities like that.

So anyways, yes, when the behavior in the debate goes beyond peaceful discourse and crosses over into behavior that is harassing and threatening, I would say, yes if that is truly happening then low enforcement should address that.

 

[Michchamp]

I think champ has brought this up in relationship to the nut job who shot up the Planned Parenthood or whatever in Colorado.

On the news yesterday some Planned Parenthood add the kids were claiming that pro-life zealots routinely stock and harass Planned Parenthood employees and doctors.

The pro lifers that I saw responding to this were claiming that mainstream pro life advocates never engage in activities like that.

So anyways, yes, when the behavior in the debate goes beyond peaceful discourse and crosses over into behavior that is harassing and threatening, I would say, yes if that is truly happening then low enforcement should address that.

oh, but all that is different, you know, because the people doing it are Christian and white.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I think champ has brought this up in relationship to the nut job who shot up the Planned Parenthood or whatever in Colorado.

I figured that much out. I know MC said it was a hypothetical, but I figured he had something in mind, and his case seems pretty extreme. A group, regularly calling for murder?

 

[TheVictors]

sounds like Karl Rove style of politics

 

[Monster]

I'll just leave this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFcLuIuQOJ4

And we wonder why there are people like that shit stain who shot up Planned Parenthood.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I'll just leave this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFcLuIuQOJ4

And we wonder why there are people like that shit stain who shot up Planned Parenthood.

That's the case I saw people talking about with the "imminent" distinction in what constitutes incitement.

 

[tinselwolverine]

That's the case I saw people talking about with the "imminent" distinction in what constitutes incitement.

So what's the status with this Feuerstein character?

It seems every other day or so I hear about somebody being arrested for some kind of threat that his been made on some kind of social media on the Internet.

 

[Monster]

That's the case I saw people talking about with the "imminent" distinction in what constitutes incitement.

Yeah, Josh Feuerstein. He's the moron who started the whole "Starbucks hates Jesus and Christmas because their cups are red" thing. Normally, I'd say his videos are silly and probably not worthy of talking about, but the man has about 2 million followers on facebook and even more through his website and ministry.

 

[Gulo Blue]

So what's the status with this Feuerstein character?

It seems every other day or so I hear about somebody being arrested for some kind of threat that his been made on some kind of social media on the Internet.

I don't see that he been arrested. If you google him, one of the 1st things that pops up is an article titled Who is Josh Feuerstein, the man behind the Starbucks red cup frenzy?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-man-behind-the-starbucks-red-cup-frenzy/

But Josh Feuerstein has been at this for years, posting hundreds of videos of himself screaming mini-sermons into his Iphone camera.

While he has almost 2 million followers on Facebook.

He sells DVD of himself and has a website that takes subscriptions.

2 million people out there know about this guy and clicked "like".

Can we pick up that conversation about what a moron is in this thread?

 

[Monster]

To me, it's all about the message. When you already believe that abortion is wrong and you have these heavily edited videos that come out, making it look like Planned Parenthood is out there making millions off of dead babies and then you get idiots like Josh Fuckstain telling you what he did (don't feel like repeating what he said) in his videos, you have a much higher chance to radicalize. It's the same thing with ISIS and AQ. They believe already that the West wants to kill Muslims and then when their religious leaders speak, they talk about "the evils of the West". It's radicalization. It happens in every religion and every ideology. Hell, it happens in atheism as well. People who incite violence should be prosecuted.

Is there really a difference between calling on people to do harm and actually doing harm? I don't think so. Especially for people with a platform.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Yeah, Josh Feuerstein. He's the moron who started the whole "Starbucks hates Jesus and Christmas because their cups are red" thing. Normally, I'd say his videos are silly and probably not worthy of talking about, but the man has about 2 million followers on facebook and even more through his website and ministry.

I was googling while you were posting.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I don't see that he been arrested. If you google him, one of the 1st things that pops up is an article titled Who is Josh Feuerstein, the man behind the Starbucks red cup frenzy?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-man-behind-the-starbucks-red-cup-frenzy/



He sells DVD of himself and has a website that takes subscriptions.

2 million people out there know about this guy and clicked "like".

Can we pick up that conversation about what a moron is in this thread?

Sounds like morons to me.

Feuerstein sounds kind of like a Jewish name to me.

 

[Monster]

I don't see that he been arrested. If you google him, one of the 1st things that pops up is an article titled Who is Josh Feuerstein, the man behind the Starbucks red cup frenzy?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-man-behind-the-starbucks-red-cup-frenzy/



He sells DVD of himself and has a website that takes subscriptions.

2 million people out there know about this guy and clicked "like".

Can we pick up that conversation about what a moron is in this thread?

The man is disgusting. Not because of his religious views, but because of what he wants to do. He's had videos about how he thinks Obama is coming for his guns and his religion and held up his gun and said, "This is my freedom switch." Remember over the summer, the military was doing military exercises in the south and Texas cons freaked out? I forget what it was called, but the governor sent troops to watch the military because they thought obama was trying to take over texas and declare martial law. ANd there was a conspiracy theory that walmarts were being shut down to be used by the military. Remember that? Josh did a video where he drove in front of one of the walmarts and pointed out the police that were guarding the place. He then said that he wasn't a timid pastor and pulled out one of his guns that he said was for protection from Obama.

People like this are the ones tearing this country in half.

 

[Monster]

Sounds like morons to me.

Feuerstein sounds kind of like a Jewish name to me.

Yep. I believe his family was originally Jewish. He addressed this a while back. I try to keep an eye on what he's posting. In part because it's entertainingly hilarious and just because I like to keep up with what the extreme right is saying.