No production from our top 2 picks

[tomdalton22]

You guys are concerned about the lack of production from the 2012 draft class? How about the complete lack of production from the 2010 and 2011 draft classes?

2010:
Suh was the obvious pick so I'm not even going to give Mayhew credit for that. Best can't see the field and has a career 3.7 YPC. Take out his 88 yard TD run last year and that goes down to 3.37 YPC. Spievay played so poorly that he doesn't even see the field anymore, despite us having the worst safeties in the league this season. Jason Fox barely has a roster spot let alone a role on this team, and despite having more hype than any other player during preseason and training camp, Willie Young hasn't accomplished anything this season (1 tackle, no sacks).

2011:
After the awful offseason this draft class had, I was really hoping that they'd set out to prove themselves this season. Fairley has hugely underperformed and is more of a liability than a threat at this point. Titus Young has 8 catches for 71 yards when you don't count his completely fluky Hail Mary grab. I'd honestly rather have Kevin Smith start than Leshoure at this point, and Doug Hogue has so far been a waste of a pick.

Hell even Mayhew's acclaimed 2009 draft class isnt looking that great this year. Sure our special teams have killed us, but the fact is that I cant name a single player this year that isnt underperforming, with the exception of Megatron. I thought my prediction of 9 wins this season was possibly a bit low, but right now I can absolutely see us finishing around 6-10, possibly even worse if you look at the schedule.

Special teams "killing us" is another indictment of the recent draft classes. Good teams fill voids in special teams with some of the mid to late round picks.

 

[LKP]

Special teams "killing us" is another indictment of the recent draft classes. Good teams fill voids in special teams with some of the mid to late round picks.

Jonte Green on the outside getting pancaked and not containing Harvin is a problem. Were they forced to use Green on the outside due to Spievey's and Travis Lewis' injury, possibly Greenwood too?

Punt returns Osgood and Bell missing tackles and Wendling being blocked is not indicative of the draft class. Two of those guys are good special teams but just had a really bad play.

And throwback by the Titans was a great trick play allowed by Ben Graham getting hurt on the kick causing a low hang time kick.

People forget Tahir Whitheads forced fumble against the 49ers too.

 

[Diggler Cometh]

Bump to prove Hughes' ignorance.

 

[mhughes0021]

Bump to prove Hughes' ignorance.

bad week to try to flex your muscles diggler. leshoure runs for 80 yards and a td....whoopidie friggen do! kevin smith was rushing for more production than that at the end of last year. KEVIN SMITH LOL!

Broyles 2 catches. titus 1 catch on 6 TARGETS! not to mention he single handedly killed a drive when we were in FG range with consecutive penalties.

I dont think i need to point this out....but our high powered offense you keep trying to build up just lost to GBs 2nd STRING defense. No perry, no woodson, no mathews.

We lost for the same reason we lose every week. Glaring holes in our defensive secondary and oline. The same needs we overlook every single draft to pick our #3 and #4 WRs and a RB we give the ball to like 14 times a game. Dumb..dumb....dumb......its not how you draft to be successful....and we arent successful. If you have a decent CB on our team....say like a hayward instead of a titus/leshoure/broyles....then lacy isnt covering no one in the secondary every week and giving up huge plays to lose us the game. He was totally lost on the game winning pass to Cobb and the safety was no where to be found. Thats what happens when you continue to overlook replacing people that are bad on your team.

 

[tonyballs]

When will you fn idiots come to realize that Broyles was drafted as the FUTURE for this team? It's a fn miracle he's even on the field.

No need to blast on Leshoure. He's playing pretty damn good

And Fairley had a beast game today.

To me, it looks like there is something wrong with Stafford. He's never comfortable and is playing scared. He's hurt for sure...

Playcalling is a joke on this team. Linehan has to go. Coaches are arguing on the sidelines? Enough is enough.

Refs didn't help either. Phantom late calls against us and the Young no-call was terrible.

 

[kalinecountry]

When will you fn idiots come to realize that Broyles was drafted as the FUTURE for this team? It's a fn miracle he's even on the field.

No need to blast on Leshoure. He's playing pretty damn good

And Fairley had a beast game today.

To me, it looks like there is something wrong with Stafford. He's never comfortable and is playing scared. He's hurt for sure...

Playcalling is a joke on this team. Linehan has to go. Coaches are arguing on the sidelines? Enough is enough.

Refs didn't help either. Phantom late calls against us and the Young no-call was terrible.

this all looks good to me, despite my lack of knowledge on football.
and you guys are able to watch the whole game, whereas I can't unless they are on Sunday night or Thanksgiving day, or the half minutes on nfl redzone.
but about Stafford, he looked like the passes were nearly sidearm or barely 3/4's. I don't remember that from him before, like you said, shoulder??

 

[tonyballs]

this all looks good to me, despite my lack of knowledge on football.
and you guys are able to watch the whole game, whereas I can't unless they are on Sunday night or Thanksgiving day, or the half minutes on nfl redzone.
but about Stafford, he looked like the passes were nearly sidearm or barely 3/4's. I don't remember that from him before, like you said, shoulder??

He passed sidearm last year as well. He threw for 5,000 yards as well. I just think he's not comfortable with what is going on or he's hurt. What else is there? Yeah, you get figured out in this league, but we all know Stafford isn't stupid. I'm telling you, i blame that goof Linehan for more than half the problems.

 

[kalinecountry]

He passed sidearm last year as well. He threw for 5,000 yards as well. I just think he's not comfortable with what is going on or he's hurt. What else is there? Yeah, you get figured out in this league, but we all know Stafford isn't stupid. I'm telling you, i blame that goof Linehan for more than half the problems.

thanks Tony, last year too, ok,
well, for Idk how many years now, from mostly reading the game threads most everyone has wanted this linehan's head on a stick.
you and others could be right, he might be hurt, but they keep it all hush.
and you would think the players are frustrated with some of the play calling, when everyone here thinks it should be a pass and they run up the middle with a packed Dline.

 

[mhughes0021]

When will you fn idiots come to realize that Broyles was drafted as the FUTURE for this team? It's a fn miracle he's even on the field.

No need to blast on Leshoure. He's playing pretty damn good

And Fairley had a beast game today.

To me, it looks like there is something wrong with Stafford. He's never comfortable and is playing scared. He's hurt for sure...

Playcalling is a joke on this team. Linehan has to go. Coaches are arguing on the sidelines? Enough is enough.

Refs didn't help either. Phantom late calls against us and the Young no-call was terrible.

Yup im an idiot cause i expect our THREE #2 picks to produce more than a combined 3 catches and 80 yards rushing. Im so fucking stupid for having an opinion. Its totally all my fault that other teams pick people that actually contribute to their team year after year and we continue to fill our team with shit.

 

[tsmith7559]

Stafford was way off his game...missed CJ two times for TD's on over throws...not to mention numerous erratic throws all game

 

[kdp1980]

Honestly think Staffords biggest weakness is his feet, and are the worst in the league imo. Anybody else wondering if his knees have anything to do with his accuracy/sloppy footwork? I hold my breath every time he scrambles knowing he will come up limping. I catch myself thinking his knees are completely shot at times. If this is the problem, why is he taking so many snaps under center.

 

[tonyballs]

Yup im an idiot cause i expect our THREE #2 picks to produce more than a combined 3 catches and 80 yards rushing. Im so fucking stupid for having an opinion. Its totally all my fault that other teams pick people that actually contribute to their team year after year and we continue to fill our team with shit.

Buddy, the Broyles pick was explained to the fans at nauseum. He wqs picked to replace Burleson. He was a beast in college. He was hurt and wasn't even supposed to dress this year, let alone play. What don't you understand?

Fairley is playing better lately. He's a fn kid. Him and Suh should feed off each other for years to come. He's beastly at times.

Leshoure was hurt last year and is playing pretty damn good if you ask me. He runs hard every down and doesn't take plays off.

I get that you hate the picks. That's understandable, but what do you expect from them? You say these guys aren't contributing? What the fuck are Leshoure and Fairley doing lately? Get your eyes checked if you don't see the future in these kids. Even Broyles. For fuck sakes, man.

 

[tonyballs]

Stafford was way off his game...missed CJ two times for TD's on over throws...not to mention numerous erratic throws all game

He's gotta go then, right?

 

[tsmith7559]

He's gotta go then, right?

nope...just get his shit together.....he had happy feet most of the game

 

[tonyballs]

Honestly think Staffords biggest weakness is his feet, and are the worst in the league imo. Anybody else wondering if his knees have anything to do with his accuracy/sloppy footwork? I hold my breath every time he scrambles knowing he will come up limping. I catch myself thinking his knees are completely shot at times. If this is the problem, why is he taking so many snaps under center.

His knees? Nah, i don't see that. I see a kid who doesn't want to run at all though...lol. He was running for his life against the Packers and he also made some decent runs and actually got out of the way from getting killed a couple of times. They need to protect him better. Like i said before, i think he's playing hurt but we won't find out until the end of the year...watch, it's coming.

 

[tonyballs]

nope...just get his shit together.....he had happy feet most of the game

He was never realy comfortable all game. The Pack was pressuring him most of the day. You'd have happy feet too.

 

[tsmith7559]

His knees? Nah, i don't see that. I see a kid who doesn't want to run at all though...lol. He was running for his life against the Packers and he also made some decent runs and actually got out of the way from getting killed a couple of times. They need to protect him better. Like i said before, i think he's playing hurt but we won't find out until the end of the year...watch, it's coming.

yep, the OL had a disappointing game considering 2 pass rushing OLB for the pack were gone

 

[tonyballs]

yep, the OL had a disappointing game considering 2 pass rushing OLB for the pack were gone

Just imagine if Matthews was in there. Chaos..

 

[mhughes0021]

Buddy, the Broyles pick was explained to the fans at nauseum. He wqs picked to replace Burleson. He was a beast in college. He was hurt and wasn't even supposed to dress this year, let alone play. What don't you understand?

Fairley is playing better lately. He's a fn kid. Him and Suh should feed off each other for years to come. He's beastly at times.

Leshoure was hurt last year and is playing pretty damn good if you ask me. He runs hard every down and doesn't take plays off.

I get that you hate the picks. That's understandable, but what do you expect from them? You say these guys aren't contributing? What the fuck are Leshoure and Fairley doing lately? Get your eyes checked if you don't see the future in these kids. Even Broyles. For fuck sakes, man.

Fairley has had 3 good games in 2 years....which is sad considering suh gets all the doubles. Not to mention scheme wise he doesn't play much....hes a rotational guy simply cause that's how Gunther roles. Now to credit him....hes been playing like a monster the last couple games. I didn't have a problem with picking him....although with his pick i thought we'd use cwills 5 mil elsewhere. We didn't.

Im not arguing that titus, broyles and leshoure suck....im not that ignorant. Im arguing we didnt need them, didnt need to trade up to get them, and once we had them....we didnt use them.

 

[Diggler Cometh]

Fairley has had 3 good games in 2 years....which is sad considering suh gets all the doubles. Not to mention scheme wise he doesn't play much....hes a rotational guy simply cause that's how Gunther roles. Now to credit him....hes been playing like a monster the last couple games. I didn't have a problem with picking him....although with his pick i thought we'd use cwills 5 mil elsewhere. We didn't.

Im not arguing that titus, broyles and leshoure suck....im not that ignorant. Im arguing we didnt need them, didnt need to trade up to get them, and once we had them....we didnt use them.

Luxury picks without having the luxury.. I get but I'm not going to piss and moan about it because they'll all end up being good players in the league.