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[Mitchrapp]

Then get rid of everyone if you need a better pick. The team is just good enough to beat the bad teams plus the way the league is they're a playoff team. Which is pathetic.

 

[tomdalton22]

Then get rid of everyone if you need a better pick. The team is just good enough to beat the bad teams plus the way the league is they're a playoff team. Which is pathetic.

I agree. Instead, they trade for Blake Griffin, which doesn't really improve the team much and gives them even less roster flexibility.

 

[@Stakesarehigh]

KD
Steph
Boogie
Griffin

We've yet to see what they have now in Cousins.

Regardless the argument most teams have a better two is silly. His per and vorp numbers put him in the 25-35 range. Much shorter the list that can score as he can.

 

[tomdalton22]

We've yet to see what they have now in Cousins.

Regardless the argument most teams have a better two is silly. His per and vorp numbers put him in the 25-35 range. Much shorter the list that can score as he can.

I was just pointing out the GS point.

We don't know what Cousins will be like when he comes back. I see no reason why he won't be the same player as he was.

PER

2018
Cousins ??
Griffin #36

2017
Cousins #22
Griffin #45

2016
Cousins #12
Griffin #25

2015
Cousins #12
Griffin #18

 

[@Stakesarehigh]

I was just pointing out the GS point.

We don't know what Cousins will be like when he comes back. I see no reason why he won't be the same player as he was.

PER

2018
Cousins ??
Griffin #36

2017
Cousins #22
Griffin #45

2016
Cousins #12
Griffin #25

2015
Cousins #12
Griffin #18

Fair enough on Cousins but he's yet to truly be a member of the team in the first place. It was really more a comment to illustrate how overly negative what was said there.

Personally I'd move Drummond and Jackson at this point. Drummond is too hard a piece to build around. He'd be better on an established team.

Like honestly If they could snag someone like Jaylen Brown in moving Drummond I'd be thrilled. Pipe dream I know and the money doesn't add up.

 

[tomdalton22]

Fair enough on Cousins but he's yet to truly be a member of the team in the first place. It was really more a comment to illustrate how overly negative what was said there.

Personally I'd move Drummond and Jackson at this point. Drummond is too hard a piece to build around. He'd be better on an established team.

Like honestly If they could snag someone like Jaylen Brown in moving Drummond I'd be thrilled. Pipe dream I know and the money doesn't add up.

I don't think there would be much demand for Jackson or Drummond.

 

[@Stakesarehigh]

He's the best rebounder in the league. Problem with this team is they have no shooters of any consequence. He should have a very clear role on an established team. The contract is the sticky part but there are definitely far worse deals in the league. Like Gordon Haywards.

 

[dubbsco]

He's the best rebounder in the league. Problem with this team is they have no shooters of any consequence. He should have a very clear role on an established team. The contract is the sticky part but there are definitely far worse deals in the league. Like Gordon Haywards.

Rebounding aside, Drummond does not fit the game today. There are no upper-level teams that build around guys like Andre. What great teams have a lane-clogger with 0 offensive ability and cannot defend?

And, in addition to that, I just question his general caring of the game. He has scary parallels to Stafford.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

I think saying Drummond can't defend is being biased. He's not the Dwight Howard-esque defensive anchor we always hoped, but he's not a pylon. Rebounding isn't everything on defense (by a long shot), but it is SOMETHING, and he's the very best at that. Drummond does the basics, gets in the way, and contests. His real issue is the same thing that's stagnated the rest of his game - he doesn't have good awareness. He can't read offenses and predict their next move, and his athleticism can't always make up for his being half a step late with rotations and close-outs.

I don't get the Stafford comparison. The positions are just too different. Also, I think they are very different player types. Stafford has the work ethic and the IQ, but he is overconfident in his abilities (he thinks he can do more than he really can). Drummond may have the work ethic (it's hard to tell), but doesn't have the IQ at all. He's gotten somewhat better over time through years of experience, but he never seems to make the leap we are hoping, because everything more complicated than set plays seems to stay beyond his reach.

I think a better NFL comparison for Drummond is Ezekial Ansah. Take away the injuries, and lots of people think Ansah is this star DE. He gets some nice looking sack numbers (rebounds), and the dearth of other options on the team make it look like he might be carrying the defense. But digging in, you realize he really doesn't create much pressure normally. He's not regularly wrecking offenses, and not even commanding tons of double-teams. His best skill is actually RUN-defense, the far lesser value in a pass-heavy league. The Lions continue to talk themselves into him being this great all-rounder, but he never delivers. He's basically the same player now he was when he was a rookie. That's still a player with value, but not the value we've actually placed on him.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Take away the injuries, and lots of people think Ansah is this star DE.

I'm curious who these people are?

 

[biggunsbob]

I'm curious who these people are?

Most is them reside in the Lions front office at Allen Park Lol.. I like the comparison.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Hopefully they see the way by now.

 

[@Stakesarehigh]

Hopefully they see the way by now.

I'm hoping they can find some trading partners

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm hoping they can find some trading partners

But the way the NBA works these days you'll get 1 or 2 old guys with expiring contracts if you're lucky. But we don't get better in a deal like that.

 

[dubbsco]

I think saying Drummond can't defend is being biased. He's not the Dwight Howard-esque defensive anchor we always hoped, but he's not a pylon. Rebounding isn't everything on defense (by a long shot), but it is SOMETHING, and he's the very best at that. Drummond does the basics, gets in the way, and contests. His real issue is the same thing that's stagnated the rest of his game - he doesn't have good awareness. He can't read offenses and predict their next move, and his athleticism can't always make up for his being half a step late with rotations and close-outs.

I don't get the Stafford comparison. The positions are just too different. Also, I think they are very different player types. Stafford has the work ethic and the IQ, but he is overconfident in his abilities (he thinks he can do more than he really can). Drummond may have the work ethic (it's hard to tell), but doesn't have the IQ at all. He's gotten somewhat better over time through years of experience, but he never seems to make the leap we are hoping, because everything more complicated than set plays seems to stay beyond his reach.

I think a better NFL comparison for Drummond is Ezekial Ansah. Take away the injuries, and lots of people think Ansah is this star DE. He gets some nice looking sack numbers (rebounds), and the dearth of other options on the team make it look like he might be carrying the defense. But digging in, you realize he really doesn't create much pressure normally. He's not regularly wrecking offenses, and not even commanding tons of double-teams. His best skill is actually RUN-defense, the far lesser value in a pass-heavy league. The Lions continue to talk themselves into him being this great all-rounder, but he never delivers. He's basically the same player now he was when he was a rookie. That's still a player with value, but not the value we've actually placed on him.

Man, we must be watching two different guys. Every time I see Drummond out there, he looks like he is trying to figure out when the team will be boarding the plane to go home.

Has he gotten better? Because quite honestly, you could pop in tape from him from his 2nd year until now, and he's the same damn guy. His jumper hasn't improved, he still sucks at FTs, he is a horrible defensive big.

The bottom line is that this team has to blow the thing up. The guys don't look like they give a damn, they can't score, they have no flow, nothing is working. They tried it with this group, and it did not happen. And now I heard that they are considering BUYING?? If they give up a freaking 1st round draft pick to get the 7th or 8th seed and get blown out, it will set this team back ANOTHER 3-5 years.

The Wings look to get understand what to do. Same with the Tigers. I just do not have any confidence the Pistons will be relevant until Gores sells and they scatter these pieces across to other teams.

 

[biggunsbob]

Yeah I heard Gores comments on the radio after the Laker loss. He is totally clueless.

 

[tomdalton22]

The Pistons are exactly where the Tigers were a few years ago. Mediocre with no future.

 

[dubbsco]

The Pistons are exactly where the Tigers were a few years ago. Mediocre with no future.

Right, but at least Tigers ownership/management saw that the writing was on the wall and made the steps to get younger and blow everything up.

The Pistons owner lives in LA and personally, this is just a play toy for him. Until he sells the team, they'll be stuck.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Right, but at least Tigers ownership/management saw that the writing was on the wall and made the steps to get younger and blow everything up.

The Pistons owner lives in LA and personally, this is just a play toy for him. Until he sells the team, they'll be stuck.

Down side is I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel for the Tigers. They could be bad for some time.

 

[dubbsco]

Down side is I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel for the Tigers. They could be bad for some time.

Baseball rebuilds can take a lot longer than basketball/hockey.

In the NBA, it honestly takes 1 or 2 guys to change the entire franchise.

Hockey has a tremendous amount of parody and luck in the playoffs, so really it is just about getting a ticket.

Baseball is a long season and there are not a ton of guys that can flip a team from bad to good. Bad teams generally have to trade off pieces, rebuild a farm system, and take the long haul to gradual recovery.

The Tigers in specific have aging veterans that are finally getting phased out of the system and a horrible farm system that needed drastic replenishment. They are getting there, but it will be awhile. That's just the nature of the beast.