Romney Slams Candidate Trump

[dubbsco]

The funny part about Trump is that he has NOTHING to stand on in terms of his actual plans to solve things. He just shouts really loud, and people buy into it. All he had about health care was getting rid of state lines. His method to solving the border issues is building a giant wall that somehow Mexico is going to pay for. There's very little mention of how he's going to help the small business grow again.

He just talks about how the millions of people love him, how people beg for his endorsements, and shouts the same crap ass slogan over and over again. It's truly scary he's made it this far, simply by praying on the fears of Americans and amplifying them 10 fold.

 

[TheVictors]

That's a pretty decent challenge to put out there. And we do know next to nothing, so it is a challenge.

We do know that the markets hate uncertainty, so all of this "you all know next to nothing" is going to result in an initial economic slowdown. People don't want to invest and start projects when they think the rules are about about to change significantly. It should be noted, you'd get this with Sanders too.

I don't think he'd actually do most of the outlandish things he's claimed (just like Sanders wouldn't make us socialists like he would like.) Congress would get in his way. He's probably counting on it. But I do think he'd do something to screw up trade with China and Mexico, and while talking heads would obscure the issue, our economy would suffer longer term for it.

I don't think he'd stop saying things that would cause us to lose standing in the world like the stuff he said about how torture works and he'd get it back on the table.

Much of the stock market volatility a few weeks ago was attributed to just this - not sure what to expect out of Trump/Sanders and don't like either..

 

[KAWDUP]

fair comparison:

# of offices Ben Carson has been elected to: ZERO.

# of offices Bernie Sanders has been elected to: three

length of Ben Carson's career of public service: ZERO YEARS.

length of Sanders': thirty-five years

# of elections Sanders has won: 13. all as an independent, without backing of either party

# of times his constiuents reelected him: 10.

Lied about all sorts of goofy shit, makes lots of unverifiable claims about himself, including being held at gunpoint at Popeye's chicken, involved in fruadulent medical cure marketing company, believes in Right-wing conspiracy theories and that the Pyramids were built by the biblical Joseph to hold grain, and takes Biblical stories literally?

Carson? yes.

Sanders? NO.

Held consistent political opinions throughout his career on free trade agreements, war, financial deregulation, healthcare, and education that time and time again have proven to be true and realistic?

Carson? NO.

Sanders? yes.

votes received in 2016 primaries?

Carson: consistently 5th or 6th in GOP field, not finishing higher than 4th or 5th in any state; finally dropped out after being unable to bilk anymore donations from his gullible, clueless supporters (I.E. YOU)

Sanders: competitive 2nd place nationwide, winning 5 states and coming close 2nd in two others

moron.

Who the fuck cares what a progressive socialist elitist ass hole like you thinks about Carson.

The fucking moron is the one who chastises someone for their opinions about who they support.

Only a complete dick and asshole does that.

. . . and it certainly doesn't make you any more intelligent than anyone else.

Cherry pick whatever the hell you like to justify who you want to support. I really don't give a shit. Talking about values and character, Carson is 5 times the person you will ever be, so fuck off with your libtard self.

 

[Monster]

Who the fuck cares what a progressive socialist elitist ass hole like you thinks about Carson.

The fucking moron is the one who chastises someone for their opinions about who they support.

Only a complete dick and asshole does that.

. . . and it certainly doesn't make you any more intelligent than anyone else.

Cherry pick whatever the hell you like to justify who you want to support. I really don't give a shit. Talking about values and character, Carson is 5 times the person you will ever be, so fuck off with your libtard self.

Harsh.

 

[KAWDUP]

So Mitt Romney and John McCain are libtards now...?

No but they are establishment pukes. Did you actually read the post?

What is that number? And how do you know? Are you getting it from your crystal ball?

No, I saw an analysis of the numbers, and based on average percentages of various voting groups applied to several other known demographics in states yet to be determined are indicating it.

Did the brokered convention believers feel there is a path for a non-Trump candidate if he wins Florida? Please present them, I am all ears.

You crack me up at how pissed off you get at shit, and your sort of "ready, fire, aim" style of responding.

Trump is the worst candidate the Republicans can nominate if the Republicans want to win the general election - Democrats are licking their chops to face Trump.

Before Carson got out, he would have been the worst one, because even though he's soft spoken and doesn't scream like the Donald, he's actually even more bat shit crazy.

In your opinion, which BTW is just as dumb as anyone else's including mine. My opinion on the matter is worth at least as much as yours, and worth 4 times as much as Michchump's.

BTW, I have always wondered how crazy bat shit really is. You got a link to where I can look that up?

Pissed off? LOL, I am certainly not pissed off, except at Michchump for his attack style, but that is another story. Is that "ready, fire, aim, style" of responding different than anyone else here? I obviously don't see it that way. I respond in kind, as I always have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtjCw8zKYbQ (@:20).

The majority of Republican voters want someone besides Trump.

How unacceptable is Trump to them?

I don't know; he seems pretty unacceptable to a lot of them.

I've never seen anything like this new #NeverTrump movement.

Romney laid out a strategy to, if the most important quality in the Republican nominee to a Republican voter is that the nominee be anyone who isn't Donald Trump, to use the Democratic process to achieve this.

So we'll see what happens.

The majority of Republican voters want someone else besides Trump? That another crystal ball prediction from folks that you just chastised me for?

I can tell you, from the same crystal ball, that quite a few of those in that category will vote for Trump over Billary, every day and twice on Sunday.

 

[KAWDUP]

What is that number? And how do you know? Are you getting it from your crystal ball?

I see now you were asking about my number of pissed off Americans at the convention. I am talking about the millions who voted for him and the delegates he is earning, extrapolating a little bit that he will continue to win some states. That good enough?

 

[KAWDUP]

Harsh.

Look at his first response to my post where I identified who I liked as one of the nominees, then tell me again how harsh my response is.

Many of the inane "facts" he presented about Carson were just someone else's stupid rhetoric from some libtard rag he browsed.

I presented no such rhetoric - I just stated I liked the man. He is intelligent, has SOME values in common with mine, and seemed pretty honest to me so far. Sheesh!

Give me break.

 

[KAWDUP]

That's a pretty decent challenge to put out there. And we do know next to nothing, so it is a challenge.

We do know that the markets hate uncertainty, so all of this "you all know next to nothing" is going to result in an initial economic slowdown. People don't want to invest and start projects when they think the rules are about about to change significantly. It should be noted, you'd get this with Sanders too.

I don't think he'd actually do most of the outlandish things he's claimed (just like Sanders wouldn't make us socialists like he would like.) Congress would get in his way. He's probably counting on it. But I do think he'd do something to screw up trade with China and Mexico, and while talking heads would obscure the issue, our economy would suffer longer term for it.

I don't think he'd stop saying things that would cause us to lose standing in the world like the stuff he said about how torture works and he'd get it back on the table.

Our economy would suffer long term? That is the end of the world? It is a reason not to vote for him, but not a reason for the doomsday predictions running around out there.

We suffered through some pretty bad foreign policy, yet I did not make or am making now a doomsday prediction about that ignorance - it was unfortunate, and if we hadn't had those people in power, in might have been different, but Grandy captured what I was trying to say quite nicely.

No offense to you Grandy. :*)

 

[tinselwolverine]

No but they are establishment pukes. Did you actually read the post?

In my defense it really wasn't that clearly written.

No, I saw an analysis of the numbers, and based on average percentages of various voting groups applied to several other known demographics in states yet to be determined are indicating it.

Did the brokered convention believers feel there is a path for a non-Trump candidate if he wins Florida? Please present them, I am all ears.

This one is too easy. What does one need to win on the first ballot, 1237 or someone? Trump has around 338 and Florida would give him another 99. So winning Florida won't give Trump or anybody else enough to clinch a first round victory. So of course, everybody still has a path to win on the first ballot OR a path to be chosen in a contested convention.

In your opinion, which BTW is just as dumb as anyone else's including mine. My opinion on the matter is worth at least as much as yours, and worth 4 times as much as Michchump's.

BTW, I have always wondered how crazy bat shit really is. You got a link to where I can look that up?

I already posted a link. Per Merriam Webster, bat shit crazy as whatever South Carolina Senator Lindsay Graham says it is.

Pissed off? LOL, I am certainly not pissed off, except at Michchump for his attack style, but that is another story. Is that "ready, fire, aim, style" of responding different than anyone else here? I obviously don't see it that way. I respond in kind, as I always have.

True except for me. My responses are always well thought out, lucid and measured.

The majority of Republican voters want someone else besides Trump? That another crystal ball prediction from folks that you just chastised me for?

No.

This one is also too easy.

It's based on the arithmetic of the actual votes cast thus far, and the predictive polls in the elections going forward.

I can tell you, from the same crystal ball, that quite a few of those in that category will vote for Trump over Billary, every day and twice on Sunday.

That is definitely one for the crystal ball. Maybe no one will have the chance to choose either.

Trump could still not win, and Billary could be in an orange jump suit and the Democrats could also have a different nominee.

Writing this reply was fun, thanks for giving me the opportunity (smiley/winky character).

 

[KAWDUP]

votes received in 2016 primaries?

Carson: consistently 5th or 6th in GOP field, not finishing higher than 4th or 5th in any state; finally dropped out after being unable to bilk anymore donations from his gullible, clueless supporters (I.E. YOU)

Sanders: competitive 2nd place nationwide, winning 5 states and coming close 2nd in two others

moron.

. . .and while I am at it, this one rings pretty stupid. Both ended up in LAST place nationwide wouldn't you say? 2nd nationwide . . . moron.

Sanders is not only still bilking money from his gullible clueless supporters (i.e YOU), they are also mostly from individuals (like Carson) - that is pretty bad too, no? He is out earning Hilary, quite a feat for being first loser.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I see now you were asking about my number of pissed off Americans at the convention. I am talking about the millions who voted for him and the delegates he is earning, extrapolating a little bit that he will continue to win some states. That good enough?

I was writing another friendly reply to you while you were posting this.

If enough Republicans voters who find the notion of Trump being the Republican candidate unacceptable that they follow Romney's strategy - and of course I don't know if there are or aren't; we'll start seeing something tomorrow - it is likely that it would be Cruz entering the convention with plurality, if not winning the nomination outright on the first ballot.

And that would be hysterical to watch the Trump supporters screaming about the establishment having stolen the election from them if in fact, he failed to win with the voters.

I do believe Trump supporters are being conned with this "finger to the establishment" notion.

Donald Trump isn't the establishment?

How absurd.

Donald Trump is the establishment of BOTH parties.

Donald Trump EPITOMIZES crony capitalism.

Donald Trump is the very embodiment of everything his supporters claim to hate.

 

[Monster]

Look at his first response to my post where I identified who I liked as one of the nominees, then tell me again how harsh my response is.

Many of the inane "facts" he presented about Carson were just someone else's stupid rhetoric from some libtard rag he browsed.

I presented no such rhetoric - I just stated I liked the man. He is intelligent, has SOME values in common with mine, and seemed pretty honest to me so far. Sheesh!

Give me break.

Not a criticism. Just said it was harsh, deserved or not. By all means, continue.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Our economy would suffer long term? That is the end of the world? It is a reason not to vote for him, but not a reason for the doomsday predictions running around out there.

I think I missed the doomsday predictions. Not causing the end of the world is a new low bar for us to get over in picking presidents.

edit: that's supposed to be funny. Not a representation of your actual criteria.

 

[grandy]

Regarding the majority of Republican voters that don't want Trump, what exactly is this based on?

On votes alone that case could be made against any Republican candidate, none even come close to majority support.

Is this all based on 1st/2nd/3rd choice or favorability polling? Maybe I'm just getting caught up in the phrasing.... just because I don't vote for a candidate doesn't necessarily mean I don't want that candidate, I may just prefer a different candidate slightly more, which I could see being a fairly common approach when many choices are presented.

Are there numbers/polling to suggest that if (insert non-Trump candidate) drops out, those voters would still not support Trump?

 

[Gulo Blue]

(smiley/winky character).

I appreciate that you took the time to write a description of an emoticon. That's kind of beautiful.

 

[KAWDUP]

In my defense it really wasn't that clearly written.

Actually I read it a number of times - how would you interpret "establishment" meaning anything else?

This one is too easy. What does one need to win on the first ballot, 1237 or someone? Trump has around 338 and Florida would give him another 99. So winning Florida won't give Trump or anybody else enough to clinch a first round victory. So of course, everybody still has a path to win on the first ballot OR a path to be chosen in a contested convention.

Yep, current projections are just that. I think the point was, it would be a pretty commanding lead, if you take even modest projections of states where Trump holds a double-digit majority. Of course it can change - I still don't see a breakdown of states that even comes close to providing anyone else a majority based on a Florida win for Trump.

I already posted a link. Per Merriam Webster, bat shit crazy as whatever South Carolina Senator Lindsay Graham says it is.

True except for me. My responses are always well thought out, lucid and measured.

Well they are lucid, and mostly tongue in cheek, I'll give you that, so I'll exclude you. Anyone else I need to exclude to make you happy?

No.

This one is also too easy.

It's based on the arithmetic of the actual votes cast thus far, and the predictive polls in the elections going forward.

You talking about the rather sizable majority of votes that Trump currently holds? Right, that isn't significant at all.

That is definitely one for the crystal ball. Maybe no one will have the chance to choose either.

Trump could still not win, and Billary could be in an orange jump suit and the Democrats could also have a different nominee.

Writing this reply was fun, thanks for giving me the opportunity (smiley/winky character).

Smiley/Winky character? You mean you couldn't bring yourself to type it? What are trying to say here? You like it, you don't, think I'm stupid for using it? This enquiring mind wants to know.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I think I missed the doomsday predictions. Not causing the end of the world is a new low bar for us to get over in picking presidents.

edit: that's supposed to be funny. Not a representation of your actual criteria.

I'm not more worried about Trump having the football codes than anybody else - he has kids and grand kids like everybody else - and I think Republican President Trump would have as much trouble with some of the more crazy shit he talks about with the Republican Congress as Obama has had.

I just find his boorishness and lack of decorum utterly unbecoming of the stature that the steward of the office should comport himself or herself to.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Regarding the majority of Republican voters that don't want Trump, what exactly is this based on?

Could have replied to a couple different posts...but on this topic:

Trump's favorable rating among republicans was about tied with the other leaders around 60% at one point. But, I also think a lot of republican don't like any of the options. I don't think there's a survey one way or the other, but there are a lot of ways to word the question that could swing it either way.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I'm not more worried about Trump having the football codes than anybody else - he has kids and grand kids like everybody else

I think it's been established that his feelings towards his kids are not just like everybody else's.

 

[tinselwolverine]

You talking about the rather sizable majority of votes that Trump currently holds? Right, that isn't significant at all.

Okay, look - Trump does NOT have a majority of votes - the majority of votes cast so far have been split among the other candidates, and going forward, predictive polls indicate that the majority of votes will continue to be split.

This is the point - the majority of Republican voters want someone who IS NOT Donald Trump.

Is it unacceptable enough so that they'll take Romney's advise and adopt his strategy to pick a different candidate by whatever means necessary?

We'll see.

Smiley/Winky character? You mean you couldn't bring yourself to type it? What are trying to say here? You like it, you don't, think I'm stupid for using it? This enquiring mind wants to know.

That was me just being cute.