Ronald Reagan

[TheVictors]

The greatest President in US revisionist history!!


Why can't we just go back to 1984 when the world was simpler; you could smack your secretary in the ass without fear of retribution, smoke cigarettes at your desk, know that mexicans only do the landscaping and the "brothers" shined shoes and entertained with song and dance!?

Where have all the good times gone?!

 

[tinselwolverine]

The greatest President in US revisionist history!!


Why can't we just go back to 1984 when the world was simpler; you could smack your secretary in the ass without fear of retribution, smoke cigarettes at your desk, know that mexicans only do the landscaping and the "brothers" shined shoes and entertained with song and dance!?

Where have all the good times gone?!

I was just thinking; it was only 12 years ago that George W. Bush - retarded though he may have been - campaigned and was nominated and elected on a theme ostensibly of bi-partisan achievements for the State of Texas during his tenure as the Governor; and planned substantial government expansion of programs for children and the elderly.

Curious how times have changed...

 

[tsmith7559]

I was just thinking; it was only 12 years ago that George W. Bush - retarded though he may have been - campaigned and was nominated and elected on a theme ostensibly of bi-partisan achievements for the State of Texas during his tenure as the Governor; and planned substantial government expansion of programs for children and the elderly.

Curious how times have changed...

it started in 2008.....Obama bringing everyone together...he has been nothing more than a divider with white/black, rich/poor and women..thank god he's gone by january

 

[tinselwolverine]

it started in 2008.....Obama bringing everyone together...he has been nothing more than a divider with white/black, rich/poor and women..thank god he's gone by january

Hmmmm....so....

So that pesky financial collapse that happened in 2008 BEFORE Obama was elected, primarily resulting from years and years of (bi-partisan) credit mismanagement had nothing to do with anything?

 

[Slick]

Nancy lived comfortably for years after Ronnie padded his swiss accounts with some of that Contra $$$$

 

[tinselwolverine]

Nancy lived comfortably for years after Ronnie padded his swiss accounts with some of that Contra $$$$

Now..that's not really fair...

Reagan made his post-presidential money from books and speaking engagements and whatnot, just like Clinton has, and Obama will either early next year or in four years, and every former president gets to in these modern times...

That's the reason people run for president these days; it's not for the four or eight years of sleeping in the White House and riding around on Air Force One; at the end of the day the rest of what goes with that is really nothing but a pain in the ass...

 

[Slick]

Now..that's not really fair...

Reagan made his post-presidential money from books and speaking engagements and whatnot, just like Clinton has, and Obama will either early next year or in four years, and every former president gets to in these modern times...

That's the reason people run for president these days; it's not for the four or eight years of sleeping in the White House and riding around on Air Force One; at the end of the day the rest of what goes with that is really nothing but a pain in the ass...

C'mon you don't think Ronnie stashed a few million away some where....don't be so naive.

 

[tinselwolverine]

C'mon you don't think Ronnie stashed a few million away some where....don't be so naive.

Ha, ha...

No, I really don't.

He didn't have to.

He was already rich, and he knew he was about to get a whole richer.

 

[Slick]

Reagan after leaving the WHite House moved into a house that investors bought for him and Nancy , whom he paid back after making an appearance in Japan in 1989 for which he was paid 2 million dollars......Ronnie didn't make any paid appearances after that.....like I said he lived on that Contra $$$$$.....lol


Long before the second term ended, Nancy Reagan had shopped
around for a retirement home that would combine solitude with
proximity to their old friends in Hollywood and Beverly Hills. She
settled on a spacious, three-bedroom California ranch house on a
wooded acre in Bel Air, which was purchased for two and a half million
dollars by twenty wealthy investors, some of whom had been helping the
Reagans since he was governor of California. The Reagans soon paid the
money back. They used their home as a base camp from which to sally
out to the world for celebratory events, among them a controversial
October 1989 trip to Japan for which Reagan was paid two million
dollars for two twenty-minute speeches and a few public appearances.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Nancy Reagan had shopped around for a retirement home that would combine solitude with proximity to their old friends in Hollywood and Beverly Hills. She settled on a spacious, three-bedroom California ranch house on a wooded acre in Bel Air, which was purchased for two and a half million dollars...[/B].

Ha, ha...

Man, I long for the days when ya could snatch a sweet little gem like that for just a cool two and a half mil...

 

[Slick]

Ha, ha...

Man, I long for the days when ya could snatch a sweet little gem like that for just a cool two and a half mil...

She sold it for 4.5.....:tup:

Ronnie also got 5 mill for his memoirs.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Lore is that during the Reagan Administration, Tip O'Neil would go over to the White House on Friday afternoons and, over shots of Bushmill's and Jamieson's and pints of Guiness, he and his buddy Dutch Reagan would hammer out budget "compromises."

So I guess the moral of the story might be 'never let two drunk old Irish guys manage your finances.'

 

[tsmith7559]

Hmmmm....so....

So that pesky financial collapse that happened in 2008 BEFORE Obama was elected, primarily resulting from years and years of (bi-partisan) credit mismanagement had nothing to do with anything?

No, it was fannie and freddie along with the justice department threats on financial insitutions to give money to people who couldnt pay it back. Fannie and Freddie were run by democrats.

Numerous attempts by the Bush administration to reform Fannie & Freddie were blocked by Dems in the senate and house....Dodd & Frank the leaders

 

[tinselwolverine]

No, it was fannie and freddie along with the justice department threats on financial insitutions to give money to people who couldnt pay it back. Fannie and Freddie were run by democrats.

Numerous attempts by the Bush administration to reform Fannie & Freddie were blocked by Dems in the senate and house....Dodd & Frank the leaders

Oh really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8

 

[TheVictors]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!



Like I was saying .....back when being dumb & white & male still made you better than everyone else and when we knew who the bad guys were because the bad guys were Commies. Mexico was where you could go on vacation, not worry about their people trying to live here and when Don Rickles was at the top of his game for just, calling it the way it is!

 

[tinselwolverine]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!



Like I was saying .....back when being dumb & white & male still made you better than everyone else and when we knew who the bad guys were because the bad guys were Commies. Mexico was where you could go on vacation, not worry about their people trying to live here and when Don Rickles was at the top of his game for just, calling it the way it is!

Vic, I refer to people like our friend as "talking points partisans" - Republicans and Democrats both have people like that - whether they're just regurgitating whatever they hear from Sean Hannity or Ed Schultz, it doesn't matter...they never think for themselves, or budge on the notion that their side is righteous and the other side is villainous.

And of course, they're easy to wipe the floor with in a debate, because they just don't really know anything.

Liberal "talking points partisans" say stupid things too, but we really don't have any of them on this board (and too bad, because they're just as much fun to make fun of).

 

[TheVictors]

Complete agreement. Perhaps it's just the way some people keep from having to think.

I think it's critical you used YouTube also ..no annoying reading to be done.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Complete agreement. Perhaps it's just the way some people keep from having to think.

I think it's critical you used YouTube also ..no annoying reading to be done.

Ha, ha...nope.

Just six and half minutes of "just when you thought it was safe again to watch a video clip on the internet again..."

 

[Michchamp]

wow... it takes some insane revisionist history to pin the financial crisis on "the democrats."

those theories could only fly on right-wing sites or Fox News... i.e. places safely insulated from any sort of critical thinking, where their claims can go unchallenged.


the idea that Fannie & Freddie were the cause, or the banks were somehow forced to lend to uncreditworthy minorities, is not only racist, but factually incorrect, AND absurd.

first of all... this happened under the watch of the Bush Administration... IT WAS THEIR DOJ... HOLDER WAS NOT THE AG YET. If anyone should be blamed for bad administrative policies from Jan. 2001 - Jan 2009, it was THEM. And being that this was the Bush administration, it's patently absurd to think they had the FHA/DOJ out there ordering banks to lend to minorities under the threat of punishments.

The laws related to mortgage equality - equal lending to all people regardless of race - were passed in the late 70's... we didn't see record numbers of foreclosures until 30 years later.

And Fannie & Freddie certainly had bad mortgages on their books, but no more so than any of the other banks. They weren't the source of the problem; they weren't issuing the bad mortgages, repackaging them and selling them with fraudulently safe ratings.

I know the avg. tsmith post doesn't really deserve any sort of response, but I think the record needs to be set straight again, lest the more credulous posters here start to believe the wrong thing...

 

[redandguilty]

Oh really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8

Wow! I think you win the Political Argument Rebuttal Post of the Day Award.

...and I'll take MC's argument a step further. We've been used to having special economic advantages since WWII. As the rest of the world has chipped away at those advantages, it's become more difficult here. I don't think there was much of anything either party could do to maintain our advantages short of an all-out military enforcement of a global colonial system that would include denying democracy, free press, and free markets to as much of the world as possible. We're not falling apart because of the stupidity of the "other party", the playing field is leveling, and we don't like it.