Russell Wilson....lol

[tonyballs]

Tony, averages man. Averages.

I know it's averages, man lol but its one frickin yard! That's not a lot

 

[tonyballs]

I guess because between one and the other there's a shit load of players. I read some articles on YPA and Super Bowl success.

And of course you think it's a useless stat .. it doesn't sync with your argument.

Why doesn't it sync with my argument? Wilson's YPA is barely over 1 yard on average over Stafford. That's supposed to mean something? Give me a break...lol. Stafford and Wilson basically had the same statistical year and the numbers prove it. The only thing that really seperates him is RWs running ability.

 

[tonyballs]

I pretty much agree with you on Russell Wilson but I can't say I agree on this stat in particular.

Would you also make the argument that a RB with a 3.0 YPC is barely worse than a RB with a 4.0 YPC average? As far as I'm aware, 3.0 is considered shit and 4.0 is considered decent.

Brewer pointed out to me that Reggie Bush and/or the Lions RBs had a better YPC than Marshawn Lynch during their SB run. Lynch is clearly the better RB and its not even close, right? Nobody fears Reggie Bush....nobody. Teams gameplan around Lynch. YPC or YPA mean squat IMO....

 

[tonyballs]

I pretty much agree with you on Russell Wilson but I can't say I agree on this stat in particular.

Would you also make the argument that a RB with a 3.0 YPC is barely worse than a RB with a 4.0 YPC average? As far as I'm aware, 3.0 is considered shit and 4.0 is considered decent.

To answer that question and I think I'm answering it correctly..lol.

A QB and RB obviously have different kind of numbers. It goes by law of averages, right? QB (a) throws the ball for 7.3 yards per attempt. QB (b) throws for 8.2 yards per attempt. It's 10 yards to make the first down and basically 3 downs to achieve it (taking away the 4th down). Those stats are similar and almost the same. They're on par to make a 1st down under 3 or 4 downs. Now if QB (a) was throwing for under 5-6 yards per attempt, then maybe theres an argument, but I don't think there was one starting QB that threw under 6 YPA. So to me, the stat is useless.

Now...

RB (a) runs for 3 yards per carry and RB (b) runs for 4 yards per carry. Again, law of averages come into play. RB (a) is making it harder for his team to make first downs because his average is weaker and RB (b) has a better average and is probably running for more first downs (MAYBE). Doesn't 100% necessarily mean that RB (a) is the BETTER RB per say, but his average is better. Like I said before, I was told that Bush had a better YPC than Lynch a few years ago. Who's the better RB??? It's not even close....it's Lynch by a landslide.

Hope that helps a bit lol

 

[Mitchrapp]

That makes no sense at all unless the QB, or RB for the matter, is passing every play (or running every play, regards to the RB.)

Lets say it's 3rd and 8, one guy gets a first down & the other doesn't. That makes about as much sense as the one you posted.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Nice late edit.

 

[tonyballs]

Nice late edit.

I had to reread it...lol. It makes perfect sense. YPC and especially YPA for a QB isn't too important for comparing players.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Agree to differ.

 

[tonyballs]

Agree to differ.

Fine, but an average of 1 yard for a QB is peanuts. It's a joke really

 

[sggatecl]

I hope Stafford put up 5,000 yards and shits on everyone next season. Put an end to all of this nonsense. FUCK I'M TIRED OF THESE STUPID ARGUMENTS EVERY OFF SEASON!! AAAAAAAAH!!!! :ugh:

 

[jdeb]

I hope Stafford put up 5,000 yards and shits on everyone next season. Put an end to all of this nonsense. FUCK I'M TIRED OF THESE STUPID ARGUMENTS EVERY OFF SEASON!! AAAAAAAAH!!!! :ugh:

5000 yards, 8-8, no playoffs for Stafford. Wilson 4000 yards, Superbowl or at least a playoff win. What would you rather have?

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[jared]

I had to reread it...lol. It makes perfect sense. YPC and especially YPA for a QB isn't too important for comparing players.

If Wilson had thrown it as much as Stafford, the difference in YPA would have amounted to an extra 890 passing yards in 2016, or 55.6 yards per game, or 5 extra first downs per game.

He would have had 4914 yds, 42 TDs and 10 INTs.

He was the absolute model of efficiency this year.

Stafford had a very good year, too. The fact that Wilson had a better one isn't an attack on Matt.

 

[lucke]

I pretty much agree with you on Russell Wilson but I can't say I agree on this stat in particular.

Would you also make the argument that a RB with a 3.0 YPC is barely worse than a RB with a 4.0 YPC average? As far as I'm aware, 3.0 is considered shit and 4.0 is considered decent.

With RBs, you have to factor in carries. One who gets 50 carries but has a 4.0 ypc is not necessarily better than one who avg 3.0 on 400 carries. Different situations so it's not as comparable.

That being said, if all things are equal, than I agree with this.

 

[brewer229]

1 yard is 10% more of a first down. 1 Yard is huge.
Could be the difference between a 4th and 3 at the 27 compared to a 1st and 10 at the 30.

But yes yards are not the whole story what so ever. No matter what you look at Wilson is just a little better than Stafford in everything. Efficiency, accuracy, scoring, wins, decision making and a lot better in running and extending plays. When you factor in all the things, those being a little better in a lot of area and a lot better in a few, make you a much better QB.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I hope Stafford put up 5,000 yards and shits on everyone next season. Put an end to all of this nonsense. FUCK I'M TIRED OF THESE STUPID ARGUMENTS EVERY OFF SEASON!! AAAAAAAAH!!!! :ugh:

5000 yards isn't the problem. And this wasn't even about Matt sucks but the fact Wilson was better. Plus, are you forgetting your sig? Not like you haven't bashed our QB in the past.

 

[lucke]

But yes yards are not the whole story what so ever. No matter what you look at Wilson is just a little better than Stafford in everything. Efficiency, accuracy, scoring, wins, decision making and a lot better in running and extending plays. When you factor in all the things, those being a little better in a lot of area and a lot better in a few, make you a much better QB.

That all may be true, but the one thing that isn't factored into this is that he's on a better TEAM. I think that if Stafford was on a better team, he would be miles ahead of Wilson... but that's something that can't be proven and is just an opinion.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Never. Too inconsistent. Early in the season many on here were talking about his contract wondering when they could cut him/or trade him with a low cap number.. And now he's the savior again.

That's what a guy like Matt will do.

 

[tomdalton22]

That all may be true, but the one thing that isn't factored into this is that he's on a better TEAM. I think that if Stafford was on a better team, he would be miles ahead of Wilson... but that's something that can't be proven and is just an opinion.

so you think if Stafford were on a better team his efficiency, accuracy, decision making and running ability would be better?

Everyone who thinks Wilson is better has stats to back up their opinion. The Stafford guys just provide hypothetical situations or say the stats don't prove anything.

 

[lucke]

so you think if Stafford were on a better team his efficiency, accuracy, decision making and running ability would be better?

Everyone who thinks Wilson is better has stats to back up their opinion. The Stafford guys just provide hypothetical situations or say the stats don't prove anything.

Don't know. But individual stats in a team sport don't tell a 100% accurate picture. Everyone wants to point to stats as the end all be all, but we don't live in a vacuum where all other things are equal.
That being said, this is a no win argument because of the fact that we don't live in a vacuum. I, like Tony, think Wilson is good, but a little overrated because of the team he's on. Would he be as good on a team like the Raiders? Who knows. What we do know is that the Hawks were a QB away from being a damn good team before he showed up. Perfect situation for him, and he took advantage of it. I'm not taking anything away from him, just my opinion.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Don't know. But individual stats in a team sport don't tell a 100% accurate picture. Everyone wants to point to stats as the end all be all, but we don't live in a vacuum where all other things are equal.
That being said, this is a no win argument because of the fact that we don't live in a vacuum. I, like Tony, think Wilson is good, but a little overrated because of the team he's on. Would he be as good on a team like the Raiders? Who knows. What we do know is that the Hawks were a QB away from being a damn good team before he showed up. Perfect situation for him, and he took advantage of it. I'm not taking anything away from him, just my opinion.

I actually think most on here don't think he's as good as the media/ESPN make him out to be be. Like when they say "Possibly best ever.." That's funny. But I think he's good, better than good. IMO, I rather have him.