Scalia and Ginsburg

[Michchamp]

yeah... ensuring that states cannot pass laws that have the effect of preventing the poor from having the same access to professional abortion services as the rich means she wants poor people to be killed. It's right there people. Limousine Liberal hypocrisy at it's finest.

 

[KAWDUP]

yeah... ensuring that states cannot pass laws that have the effect of preventing the poor from having the same access to professional abortion services as the rich means she wants poor people to be killed. It's right there people. Limousine Liberal hypocrisy at it's finest.

Sounds EXACTLY like the analogies and leaps of faith you make going the other way all the time. Hypocrisy I say.

 

[Gulo Blue]

yeah... ensuring that states cannot pass laws that have the effect of preventing the poor from having the same access to professional abortion services as the rich means she wants poor people to be killed. It's right there people. Limousine Liberal hypocrisy at it's finest.

You forgot "der der deeerrrr". That's usually the phrase you use to identify when you're just arguing with that made up voice in your head.

 

[Michchamp]

You forgot "der der deeerrrr". That's usually the phrase you use to identify when you're just arguing with that made up voice in your head.

you spelled it wrong.

 

[Michchamp]

and yeah, that phrase would be totally inappropriate here (ROLLS EYES... twice).

I mean, plucking technical legal comments out of an arcane Q&A with a Supreme Court Justice and shoe-horning them into anti-abortion talking points makes for a legitimate discussion. I should take it much more seriously.

 

[byco42]

and yeah, that phrase would be totally inappropriate here (ROLLS EYES... twice).

I mean, plucking technical legal comments out of an arcane Q&A with a Supreme Court Justice and shoe-horning them into anti-abortion talking points makes for a legitimate discussion. I should take it much more seriously.

?It makes no sense as a national policy to promote birth only among poor people,? said Ginsberg. This is her present opinion.

So is this: "The conflict is not simply one between a fetus? (sic) interest and a woman?s interest. Also in the balance is a woman?s autonomous charge of her full life?s course, her ability to stand in relation to men, society and to stay as an independent, self-sustaining equal citizen. As long as the government paid for childbirth, the argument proceeded, public funding could not be denied for abortion, often a safer and always a far-less expensive course short and long term. By paying for childbirth but not abortion, the government increased spending and intruded upon or steered a choice Roe had ranked as a woman?s fundamental right.?

The abject evil in this belief is so blatant that it appears benign. And it's contradistinction to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is as appalling as the act of abortion itself. The notion of preventing the killing of the unborn had been twisted into the fallacious concept of "government control over women."

 

[byco42]

yeah... ensuring that states cannot pass laws that have the effect of preventing the poor from having the same access to professional abortion services as the rich means she wants poor people to be killed. It's right there people. Limousine Liberal hypocrisy at it's finest.

No, she wants poor mothers to be able to kill their babies. And she certainly suggested that they (the mothers) and "we" would be better off without more poor babies in the world.

The "poor babies" might not agree with that opinion.

Abortion is a tremendously hypocritical act in itself. It's the finest example of hypocrisy going. Doctors who perform them are the very essence of the concept.

 

[Michchamp]

No, she wants poor mothers to be able to kill their babies. ...

yes.

and you want to go and tell poor (often single, unwed) mothers to STFU, have the child, care for the child, and figure it out themselves because you don't want YOUR tax dollars going to pay for any public child care, nursing, or other assistance they might need (because SOCIALISM), so you can feel good about your religion, and morally superior to those strumpets who don't know enough to keep their legs shut.

That about sum it up?

 

[Michchamp]

I'd also be curious to know what percentage of abortions are performed to terminate fetuses that have known chromosome abnormalities (e.g. Downs' Syndrome, or more debilitating ones that typically lead to short lives with a litany of complications), or other genetic or physical disorders.

Hey, tough shit for the parents, right? Suck it up, have the kid and prepare yourself for years of misery. It was just "God's Plan" according to people who are not going to go through what you will and will not make any effort to actually help you deal with it.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I'd also be curious to know what percentage of abortions are performed to terminate fetuses that have known chromosome abnormalities

How high do you guess it might be?

 

[Gulo Blue]

yes.

and you want to go and tell poor (often single, unwed) mothers to STFU, have the child, care for the child, and figure it out themselves because you don't want YOUR tax dollars going to pay for any public child care, nursing, or other assistance they might need (because SOCIALISM), so you can feel good about your religion, and morally superior to those strumpets who don't know enough to keep their legs shut.

That about sum it up?

There you go putting people in boxes again.

 

[byco42]

yes.

and you want to go and tell poor (often single, unwed) mothers to STFU, have the child, care for the child, and figure it out themselves because you don't want YOUR tax dollars going to pay for any public child care, nursing, or other assistance they might need (because SOCIALISM), so you can feel good about your religion, and morally superior to those strumpets who don't know enough to keep their legs shut.

That about sum it up?

Straw Man. And the false perception of my ideas concocted in your own mind. Adoption is one solution. And if you think I feel morally superior to the next person, why do I go to Confession at least once a month?

And I would feel that way on this of all days? I wonder if you are more concerned with convincing yourself of what you think rather than convincing others.

 

[Michchamp]

In my opinion, this is one of the low points of American political discourse:

"Scalia also said that while there are U.S. laws against torture, nothing in the Constitution appears to prohibit harsh treatment of suspected terrorists. "I don't know what article of the Constitution that would contravene," he said. Scalia spent a college semester in Switzerland at the University of Fribourg."
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lowest of the low:

During a panel discussion about terrorism, torture and the law, a Canadian judge remarked, ?Thankfully, security agencies in all our countries do not subscribe to the mantra ?What would Jack Bauer do?? ? Justice Scalia responded with a defense of Agent Bauer, arguing that law enforcement officials deserve latitude in times of great crisis. ?Jack Bauer saved Los Angeles . . . . He saved hundreds of thousands of lives,? Judge Scalia reportedly said.
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A freaking Harvard-educated Supreme Court Justice using a TV SHOW to refute centuries of human experience, law, and decency...

Scalia is an abortion.

 

[Spartanmack]

yes.

and you want to go and tell poor (often single, unwed) mothers to STFU, have the child, care for the child, and figure it out themselves because you don't want YOUR tax dollars going to pay for any public child care, nursing, or other assistance they might need (because SOCIALISM), so you can feel good about your religion, and morally superior to those strumpets who don't know enough to keep their legs shut.

That about sum it up?

religion, religion, religion, der, der, derrr. Except opposition to abortion has grown while active participation in religion has declined. Clearly, the opposition hasn't grown because of religion - it's grown largely because of technology and science. Entire generations of kids have grown up with ultrasound pictures of their siblings in the womb on their refrigerators and they learn at a very early age that it's a person and not just a clump of cells. And they conclude for themselves that the barbaric practice of killing and innocent and defenseless human being is wrong.

But it's easier to say religion, republitards war on women, der, derr, derrrr - even though women and men are nearly split down the middle on abortion and there are plenty of pro life dems

 

[Michchamp]

How high do you guess it might be?

I have no basis to even begin to speculate. Bing-ing Down Syndrome prevalence reveals about 6,000 cases/year in the U.S., and that's one of many. Not sure if it's the most common form.

there are ~1MM abortions performed annually, I think, for a variety of reasons, so it's probably a small percentage of that.

 

[Michchamp]

religion, religion, religion, der, der, derrr. Except opposition to abortion has grown while active participation in religion has declined. Clearly, the opposition hasn't grown because of religion - it's grown largely because of technology and science. Entire generations of kids have grown up with ultrasound pictures of their siblings in the womb on their refrigerators and they learn at a very early age that it's a person and not just a clump of cells. And they conclude for themselves that the barbaric practice of killing and innocent and defenseless human being is wrong.

But it's easier to say religion, republitards war on women, der, derr, derrrr - even though women are nearly split down the middle on abortion and there are plenty of pro life dems

DO you think I'm arguing aborting a baby is a good thing? You do understand the distinction between denying someone else a right, and doing something yourself?

(That's just rhetorical. I know you don't.)

 

[byco42]

I'd also be curious to know what percentage of abortions are performed to terminate fetuses that have known chromosome abnormalities (e.g. Downs' Syndrome, or more debilitating ones that typically lead to short lives with a litany of complications), or other genetic or physical disorders.

Hey, tough shit for the parents, right? Suck it up, have the kid and prepare yourself for years of misery. It was just "God's Plan" according to people who are not going to go through what you will and will not make any effort to actually help you deal with it.

There are a least a half-a-dozen children as you described in our parish--with siblings who are not afflicted with these "maladies"--(now you are equivocating what is abnormal?) who have every right to live as anyone else and fortunately their parents and brothers and sisters and extended family recognize that indisputable truth. I don't see misery, only love and compassion among these families.

 

[byco42]

DO you think I'm arguing aborting a baby is a good thing? You do understand the distinction between denying someone else a right, and doing something yourself?

(That's just rhetorical. I know you don't.)

Abortion is not a right; it's the law. They are not necessarily compatible. You do not understand that you are as much a "champ" of the procedure than was Margaret Sanger.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I have no basis to even begin to speculate. Bing-ing Down Syndrome prevalence reveals about 6,000 cases/year in the U.S., and that's one of many. Not sure if it's the most common form.

there are ~1MM abortions performed annually, I think, for a variety of reasons, so it's probably a small percentage of that.

Yeah. I don't know either, but it's obviously small. We're up to 1 abortion for every 4 or 5 births.

 

[Michchamp]

There you go putting people in boxes again.

there you go being the guy putting the guy who puts other people in boxes in a box. well, you're in a box now too. and your box sucks.

Straw Man. And the false perception of my ideas concocted in your own mind. Adoption is one solution. And if you think I feel morally superior to the next person, why do I go to Confession at least once a month?

it's not a straw man, unless you believe a significant portion of the anti-choice believers out there really are spending their time working with mothers considering abortion, finding adoption services, helping poor, unwed mothers raise their kids. I don't.

And I would feel that way on this of all days? I wonder if you are more concerned with convincing yourself of what you think rather than convincing others.

oh yeah... today is ash wednesday. Usually my atheist lawyer drinking buddy texts me about how ridiculous people look walking around with ashes on their foreheads, but he hasn't so far. I just texted him a reminder.