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[Michchamp]

I don't know the answer either. It seems like the idea has application beyond war, but how far to go, I'm not sure you can come up with a set of criteria to do the job.

take into account the potential that negative means used in one instance will have negative repercussions outside of that instance. or potentially become a habit or common practice. and remember Nietzsche's aphorisms about fighting monsters and gazing into the abyss.

 

[Michchamp]

ignore your Bible.

Hell, in the entire first half, the ends justify the means: you can pretty much rape, pillage, murder, and plunder all you want, as long as the Lord "anointed you" and/or you plan to have lots of kids and don't "spill your seed" needlessly, eat shellfish or pigs, or sleep with women when they are "unclean."

then in the second half, you're supposed to turn the other cheek, help the poor, give away all your wealth, chill out, and seek no material ends in and of themselves.

how is that possibly any basis for a thinking person to base their decision making on?

 

[Gulo Blue]

take into account the potential that negative means used in one instance will have negative repercussions outside of that instance. or potentially become a habit or common practice. and remember Nietzsche's aphorisms about fighting monsters and gazing into the abyss.

I had to look it up, but that could be part of the answer. You can't develop criteria because studying the issue and developing criteria helps to make you comfortable with a decision. But you shouldn't get comfortable with these decisions.

 

[Gulo Blue]

how is that possibly any basis for a thinking person to base their decision making on?

Context

 

[KAWDUP]

yes, because you couldnt possibly be moral without belief in an imaginary man in the sky who judges your actions and magically rewards or punishes you when you die.

I will not do like you seem to always do and lump the entire opinion of your morality into the narrow issue I am talking about.

Why would you make a moronic statement like that? Where in God's name did I mention you could not be moral?

My belief has nothing to do with your demonstrated lack of concern over an end being discussed justifying the means to get there.

. . . and no just because you do that, does not make you an evil immoral person.

My decision process about the end NOT justifying the means, which involves contemplating what the Son of God might have done, has no actual bearing on anything that involves you in any way.

I get it, you got all butt hurt because I mentioned atheists having less of a problem with it than I or other believers might have. I will put your mind at ease, by adding, "in my experience" to it. That way you can go on believing you are perfectly Ok justifying the good that might come of executing Bush and Cheney et all, so that your world may feel justice has been done, which is the end I assume you want.

I am assuming your end there - so you can jump all over that if I am wrong, but I bet I'm not too far off.

 

[Michchamp]

Context

You know what? I agree with you. There's a lot of relevant context there, in that book.

I know the Bible always provides solid advice for me whenever the Lord asks me to take my son up the mount and sacrifice him, I need to change into my hair shirt and go wander the desert, an army of Philistines threatens my village, what to tell my wife not to do when we flee a town full of wicked people, or when to exterminate an entire race of people in order to bring about the Second Coming of Christ.

These are all things any sensible person would need to know.

 

[Michchamp]

I will not do like you seem to always do and lump the entire opinion of your morality into the narrow issue I am talking about.

Why would you make a moronic statement like that? Where in God's name did I mention you could not be moral?

My belief has nothing to do with your demonstrated lack of concern over an end being discussed justifying the means to get there.

. . . and no just because you do that, does not make you an evil immoral person.

My decision process about the end NOT justifying the means, which involves contemplating what the Son of God might have done, has no actual bearing on anything that involves you in any way.

I get it, you got all butt hurt because I mentioned atheists having less of a problem with it than I or other believers might have. I will put your mind at ease, by adding, "in my experience" to it. That way you can go on believing you are perfectly Ok justifying the good that might come of executing Bush and Cheney et all, so that your world may feel justice has been done, which is the end I assume you want.

I am assuming your end there - so you can jump all over that if I am wrong, but I bet I'm not too far off.

zzzzzzzz.....

 

[KAWDUP]

zzzzzzzz.....

Typical champ - acting like a stupid fucking dick after a moronic response is addressed and answered.

 

[Michchamp]

Typical champ - acting like a stupid fucking dick after a moronic response is addressed and answered.

zzzzzz...

zzzz... *ut*

oh, I'm sorry, were you giving a long, pointless speech again?

 

[KAWDUP]

zzzzzz...

zzzz... *ut*

oh, I'm sorry, were you giving a long, pointless speech again?

Typical champ - acting like a stupid fucking dick after a moronic response is addressed and answered.

Oh wait - did I post that once already. My apologies to the board.